

The Spiritual Forum
The Spiritual Forum
Welcome to The Spiritual Forum, a space curated by Rev Carol Saunders for extraordinary conversations that explore the realms of spiritual living. Join us weekly for heart-to-heart dialogues with captivating individuals, delving into themes like love, faith, awakening, forgiveness, healing, spiritual practices, and divine encounters. These transformative narratives aim to inspire, fostering a deep connection to the profound experiences that shape our lives. Rev Carol’s guests include authors, filmmakers, experts, and everyday individuals who authentically share their journeys toward wholeness. These discussions transcend the ordinary, offering insights into navigating the complexities of our current world with authenticity and grace.
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Jan 1, 2024 • 36min
New Year Inspirations for 2024 - EP 240
As we head into 2024, Rev. Carol shares some inspiration and highlights from a few of her podcast guests who were on the show this past year. We are living a world immersed in wars and social divides, and one that is changing rapidly. Who are we going to be going forward? Is our consciousness rising? What wisdom can inspire us to remain steeped in faith and make the right choices for our evolutionary path? What spiritual practices should we consider starting? This and more is shared in this episode. A new lineup of 2024 guests will begin next week! Happy New Year!
The podcast episodes highlighted are:
Episode 222 with Pierre Pradervand -Spiritual Discernment
Pierre's theology:
Creator bless my mind that I may think only think only thoughts of love
Bless my ear that all I hear, I listen to with love
Bless my eyes that I may see all with love
Bless my lips that every word that comes from them is a word of love.
Bless my heart that I may give and receive love
Bless my hands that all I do is done with love
Bless my feet that I may walk with peace upon this earth
Episode 218 & 219 with Geoff Thompson - Freedom Through Forgiveness and Reciprocity & Entanglement
“When we forgive someone, they should be very afraid. It means we have given them over to the law of reciprocity. It means we have let them go.” -- Geoff Thompson
“Until we can use our will to live consciously and make wise choices every day, to be self-aware, to self-observer and be virtuous, we cannot lay claim to the kingdom.” -- Geoff Thompson
Episode 197 with VinnieTolman - The Light After Death
Vinnie's ten lessons he learned while purifying his soul on this extraordinary soul journey beyond the veil:
1.Be authentic
2.The purpose of life
3.Love everyone (which includes EVERYONE)
4.Listen to your inner voice
5.Use technology responsibly
6.Release prejudice (even against the intolerant)
7.The power of Creation
8.Avoid negative influences
9.The purpose of evil
10.We are all one
Episode 206 with Lois Bouchard - Being at Peace with What Is
• We are never alone
• We are protected
• We each have a destiny
• The key to hearing the voice of Spirit is quieting the mind
• Faith, hope and love guide us through all adversity
• Look for the light when you are in darkness – lift your heart to God/Source/Spirit
© the spiritual forum 2024

Dec 25, 2023 • 1h 4min
The Law Of Attraction & Art of Receiving
I am re-publishing this episode from 2021 for Christmas week, 2023. What better Christmas present to give ourselves than an understanding of the Law of Attraction and the Art of Receiving? The Law of Attraction, as we understand it, doesn’t always work! My guest, Patty Lennon, shares why that is and how we can remove our blocks to receiving. Patty is an ex-corporate banker turned intuitive coach. She cared for aging parents, worked through grief and racked up significant debt in the midst of starting a new business. A big shift that brought 'magic' into her life happened once she started to surrender her heavy obligations and hold faith that the Divine truly had her back. Patty has been featured in Forbes, Fast Company and Daily Worth. She is the founder and CEO of The Receiving School and the author of the new book, Make Space for Magic. We have a lively and insightful conversation which includes:
•Living with the question, “Would God be happy with me?”
•Seeing success through a new lens of "How can I help others succeed?"
•What is “magic?”
•What the energy of surrender creates for us
•How the Law of Attraction must vibrate from our soul, not just our mind
•We have to be receptive to receive what the Universe gives us
•Being in receptivity means receiving every piece of our life, every piece of ourselves -- the good and the bad
•Timing matters – be willing to accept something that is in the direction of your dreams -- you may have to wait for the ultimate fulfillment
•We sometimes have desires but we don’t ask
•The horrible experience of Law of Attraction shaming – when people say, “It didn't work because you didn’t do it right!”
•This is an individualized process, not a one size fits all
•The minute you have a desire, the divine starts co creating with you
•There's only one currency on the other side of the veil and it's kindness
•The five rules of receiving: 1) Receive the outer world fully 2) Receive yourself fully 3) Clear space to make space 4) Learn your language – how the divine communicates with you 5) Do your 100 percent but not more; after that surrender
• The rejected self theory – the benefit to accepting ourselves as lazy, selfish, needy, etc.
Patty Lennon links:
https://www.pattylennon.com/
https://patty-lennon.mykajabi.com/the-receiving-school
https://www.amazon.com/Make-Space-Magic-Abundance-Universe/dp/195480119X
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Dec 18, 2023 • 29min
Episode 239 - The Birth of the Inner Christ
In this episode, Rev. Carol shares a spiritual interpretation of the Christmas story. The story tells of the birth of the Christ Presence on Earth in the baby Jesus, but it also tells us of the birth of the Christ consciousness in us.
The Christmas story combines the accounts in Matthew chapters 1 & 2 and Luke chapters 1 & 2. It has been told for over 2000 years and we see it depicted in nativity scenes in homes, churches and cities. Some people believe the account to be true. Others believe it is a birth story, created to exalt the person of Jesus. Still others believe it is 100% story. Beyond all that, what does it mean for us? This is a condensed retelling of the Christmas Eve service that Rev. Carol led at the Unity church she founded. She shares metaphysical interpretations of all the key elements in the story. Every character is a part of you! Let this story come alive in you this Christmas season!
© the spiritual forum 2023

Dec 11, 2023 • 48min
Episode 238 - Step Into A New Life! with Rev. James Martin
Are you being called by the Divine to step into a new way of life?
Is there some aspect of yourself that keeps you bound or unfree that you are ready to leave behind?
Is there a person in your life who you need to unbind in some way so they can freely step into a new way of life?
These questions and more are explored in this episode with guest, Rev. James Martin as we delve into the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead. You may think this story has little to do with you, but you are invited to find yourself in the characters and see it come alive.
Guest bio: Rev. Martin is a Jesuit priest, editor at large of America magazine, consultor to the Vatican’s Dicastery for Communication, and author of the New York Times bestsellers Learning to Pray, Jesus: A Pilgrimage, and The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything. Father Martin is a frequent commentator in the national and international media, having appeared on all the major networks and outlets like: The Colbert Report, NPR’s Fresh Air, the New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal. In his latest book, Come Forth! he examines one of the most intriguing events in the New Testament—the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead—and explains its significance for us today. In this episode we talk about:
•Being open to the call of Spirit and living lives of transformation
•The story of Lazurus from historical and metaphorical perspectives
•The symbols of the tomb and the command “unbind him”
•The important role of community in a “coming forth” experience
•The many ways we can personally experience death and rebirth
•The story of Mary and Martha – action and receptivity and how both are necessary
•Rev. Jim’s ministry to the LGBQ community
•The importance of making stories mean something to us individually
More about Rev. James Martin:
America Magazine: https://www.americamagazine.org/voices/james-martin-sj
Come Forth book: https://www.amazon.com/Come-Forth-Promise-Greatest-Miracle-ebook/dp/B0B1DSFWJ1?ref_=ast_author_mpb
James Martin books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B002L09ZEY/allbooks?ingress=0&visitId=2509ea2c-b4f4-47ff-9ed2-25ae8825909d&store_ref=ap_rdr&ref_=ap_rdr
Social media links:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FrJamesMartin/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jamesmartinsj/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Dec 4, 2023 • 56min
Episode 237 - Meeting The Shadow On The Spiritual Path
In this episode we talk about the shadow and how important it is to the spiritual path. Have you ever wondered how spiritual leaders and gurus who claim to reach high levels of consciousness can get caught up in sexual or financial scandals, or just generally misbehave in relationships? Or how independent adults can give up their own authority and give blind faith to someone else? In this episode we’ll learn about that and more. Listen to the end to learn about the separate lines of development and how we have shadow material stuck in each chakra. This is very important spiritual work!
Guest bio: Connie Zweig is a retired psychotherapist, former executive editor at Jeremy P Tarcher Publishing, former columnist for Esquire magazine and contributor to the LA times. She has been on a spiritual path, practicing and teaching meditation for more than fifty years - exploring the light and dark side of contemporary spirituality. Her award-winning book, The Inner Work of Age: Shifting from Role to Soul, extends her work on the Shadow into midlife and beyond and explores aging as a spiritual practice. She is a wife, stepmother, and grandmother. In all these roles, she practices the shift from role to soul. Connie’s latest book is Meeting the Shadow on the Spiritual Path – The Dance of Darkness and Light in Our Search for Awakening.
Some of the topics we discuss are:
• Our focus on the light and not the dark
• Meditation doesn’t solve our emotional problems, prayer doesn’t resolve our trauma, affirmations don’t bring us relief or awakening
• We don’t want to give up the practices but we want to expand to include the full spectrum of life
• We can’t “grow up” with spiritual practices only
• Meditation can help prepare us to meet our shadow
• If I recognize my shadow characters I can have a moment where I can make another choice – requires self-reflection and moral development
• Narrow cultural identities that are so popular today miss the spiritual identity
• Most of humanity is tribal, not yet individuated out of the group
• There are separate lines of development in us – emotional, spiritual, moral, cognitive
• There is shadow material stuck in every chakra
If you want to learn spiritual shadow work with other people (free groups), email conniezweig@gmail.com and put "Spiritual Shadow" in the subject line
Links:
Website: https://conniezweig.com/
The Inner Work of Age: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1644113406?tag=simonsayscom
Meeting the Shadow on the Spiritual Path: https://www.amazon.com/Meeting-Shadow-Spiritual-Path-Awakening/dp/1644117223
#shadowwork #awakening #awakeningsoul #consciousness #spiritualshadow #chakrahealing
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Nov 26, 2023 • 48min
Episode 236 - So Long As It’s Wild: A Journey of Faith, Courage and Perseverance
Barbara Jenkins, an adventurer who walked across America with her husband, shares her journey of faith, courage, and perseverance. Topics discussed include cultivating your dreams, answering callings, divine protection, and embracing your story. The podcast reveals the spiritual lessons Barbara learned on her compelling life adventure.

Nov 20, 2023 • 56min
Episode 235 - How To Thrive At Family Gatherings with Martha Creek
“Go within or go without” is Martha Creek’s concise and clear mission and vision. A double ordained minister, self-employed consultant, speaker, coach, leader and workshop facilitator, Martha has a unique and endearing coaching style. In her work she helps people function at higher levels in their professional and personal relationships, honoring others while staying true to themselves. This episode is chock full of useful guidance and is timed to support you in navigating some of the challenges you may face at family gatherings, such as Thanksgiving. Martha’s latest book is Presence and Potential - Experience Your Higher Self and Live in Wholeness. This is a book for anyone with the desire to increase their leadership and their lower anxiety. Some of the topics we discuss are:
• Breaking patterns of relating
• The crazy expectation that people will show up differently
• How to refuse to be coerced by others
• The false belief that we can stop the suffering of others
• The importance of keeping relationships open and focused on the person, not others who aren’t there
• The traps of gossip
• Be willing to learn – what is possible?
#spirituality #differentiation #truetoyourself #stayconnected
#familychallenges
Martha's links:
Website: https://marthacreek.com/
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Presence-Potential-Experience-Higher-Wholeness/dp/B0CL4XQ36R
YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@marthacreek
© the spiritual forum 2023

Nov 13, 2023 • 51min
Episode 234 - In Service to Others with Marla Hughes
Marla Hughes is passionate about children -- learning from their wisdom, preserving their divine connection and creating rituals to support them in their challenging times. She answers the call of her intuition to take dramatic actions, anchored in love, in the world. Together with her daughter, she brought play to refugee children in Poland. She founded the Ethiopian Family Fund, a non-profit dedicated to improving the lives of Ethiopian children. She travels annually to Ethiopia where she learns to slow down and appreciate the simplicity of life while being in service to local communities. She also recently authored her first children’s book, Love Magic, which inspires children who have lost oved ones to reconnect with them in the here and now. Marla is the founder and host of the podcast, Interviews with Innocence, where she explores how children can help us reconnect with our spiritual selves. Whether you have children in your life or not, in this episode you will learn about the light and hope that today’s children bring to the world and gain some ideas on how to heal and honor your own inner child from his/her breaks in belonging and unacknowledged feelings. We also discuss the wisdom of the elderly, the culture in Ethiopia, the importance of ritual and how we can bring it alive in our lives. And much more!
website/podcast: https://www.interviewswithinnocence.com/
rituals: https://www.interviewswithinnocence.com/introduction
Love Magic book: https://www.amazon.com/Love-Magic-Marla-Hughes/dp/1953912117
Ethiopian Family Fund: http://www.ethiopianfamilyfund.org/
© the spiritual forum 2023

Nov 6, 2023 • 57min
Episode 233 - Questioning Spirituality with Eldon Taylor
Is it rational to be believe in a higher power? Or is God/Source/Spirit a fantasy “Santa Claus” crutch that appeases our childlike natures? These questions and more are explored in this episode with guest, Dr. Eldon Taylor. Eldon is a New York Times best-selling author publishing on a wide range of topics from exposing the darker sides of mind programming and brainwashing to the spiritual search for life’s meaning. He is an expert in the area of preconscious information processing and has served as an expert trial witness with regards to both subliminal communication and hypnosis. Eldon was also a practicing criminalist for over ten years where he supervised and conducted investigations and testing to detect deception. In the first half of this podcast we explore the power and susceptibilities of the human mind. In the second half we dig into his latest book, Questioning Spirituality – Is It Irrational to Believe in God?, which explores both the atheist/scientism and believer rationales for trusting in a higher power. Among the many ideas shared in this episode are:
•When we are dishonest, we are betraying ourselves
•How and why subliminal messages work
•How we talk to ourselves is a predictor of how we will behave
•There are two ways to be tied up in the world - externally or internally through our beliefs
•Free will is not free
•Brainwashing goes way beyond MK Ultra etc. – it’s everywhere
•We have a genetic predisposition, but we can change our personalities
•What the first step to changing limiting thoughts is
•The mechanistic model of science regarding humanity
•The ‘logical’ reasons to reject spirituality
•The advantages of being spiritual and why it’s not irrational to believe in God
•“White Crow” stories that can’t be explained scientifically and attest to there being something beyond this reality –
•Eldon’s own white crow story
•Reason is a gift to decipher the language of God
Links:
Website: www.eldontaylor.com/
Questioning Spirituality book: www.amazon.com/Questioning-Spiri…God/dp/1803413018
Gotcha book: www.amazon.com/Gotcha-Subordinat…ooks%2C110&sr=1-1
© the spiritual forum 2023

Oct 30, 2023 • 40min
Episode 232 - Peace Begins With Me
In this solocast, Rev. Carol shares the opening thoughts she presented at the 2023 Whole Planet Spirituality Forum & Retreat at Unity Village. The retreat theme was Peace Begins with Me and we explored ways we could evolve into Peacemakers on the planet. Nearly everyone wants peace, but are we doing the inner work to establish peace within ourselves? What we see in the outer world is a reflection of our consciousness! In this episode, Rev. Carol shares some suggested passages to peace. She also shares David Hawkin’s scale of consciousness and the importance of aligning our values, words and actions. Finally, she concludes with a short segment on Peace Pilgrim, a remarkable woman who walked penniless across the United States 6 ½ times to awaken the world to our common humanity and spiritual potential as peacemakers.
Links:
David Hawkins Scale of Consciousness (below): https://life-longlearner.com/how-to-measure-consciousness-using-the-map-of-consciousness-3-of-7/
Power Versus Force book: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Force-David-Hawkins-M-D/dp/1401945074
Peace Pilgrim: https://www.peacepilgrim.org/
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