

So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast
FIRE
So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino.
New episodes post every other Thursday.
New episodes post every other Thursday.
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Jan 26, 2023 • 1h 4min
Ep. 179 Artificial intelligence: Is it protected by the First Amendment?
What does the rise of artificial intelligence mean for the future of free speech and the First Amendment? Who is liable for what AI produces? Can you own a copyright for works produced by AI? Does AI itself violate intellectual property rights when it uses others’ information to generate content? What about that Morgan Freeman “deep fake”? And is ChatGPT going to make all of our jobs irrelevant? Show notes: Transcript Guests: Eugene Volokh, professor at UCLA School of Law David Greene, senior staff attorney and civil liberties director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation Alison Schary, partner at Davis Wright Tremaine www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@freespeechtalk Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

Jan 12, 2023 • 1h 23min
Ep. 178 The costs of offending religious sensitivities
A faculty member at Hamline University lost her job. Twelve staffers at the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo were murdered. And Salman Rushdie was repeatedly stabbed. All of them offended certain people’s religious sensitivities. On today’s show, we are joined by Amna Khalid and Michael Moynihan to discuss the risks and costs of teaching, talking, writing, and creating art about religion, particularly Islam. We also discuss the recent #TwitterFiles reporting. Amna Khalid is an associate professor of history at Carleton College and host of the podcast “Banished.” Michael Moynihan is a writer, reporter, and co-host of “The Fifth Column” podcast. Show notes: Transcript New York Times: “A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job.” by Vimal Patel The offending image “Most of All, I Am Offended as a Muslim” by Amna Khalid “Hamline Student Newspaper (the Oracle) Removed Published Defense of Lecturer Who Showed Painting of Muhammad” by Eugene Volokh “We must stand up to Iran’s threats to free speech” by FIRE’s Sarah McLaughlin (reflecting on the anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo attacks) “Capsule Summaries of all Twitter Files Threads to Date, With Links and a Glossary” by Matt Taibbi www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@freespeechtalk Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

Dec 21, 2022 • 52min
Ep. 177 Are Ann Coulter’s words really ‘violence’?
Do Ann Coulter’s words equal “violence”? Does Emerson College care more about not offending the Chinese Communist Party than protecting student free speech rights? And are faculty political litmus tests back in vogue? FIRE’s Alex Morey and Zach Greenberg join the show to discuss the latest in campus censorship. Please support this show by donating to FIRE before the end of the year: thefire.org/support Show notes: Transcript “San Diego State University: University senate adopts policy imposing DEI requirement in reappointment, tenure, and promotion review process” “University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign: Faculty up for promotion and tenure must submit diversity, equity, and inclusion statements, affirm university views” “‘Your words are violence!’ Cornell students shout down Ann Coulter in latest heckler’s veto to roil campuses this semester” by Amanda Nordstrom “Penn State defends canceling controversial event over ‘threats of violence,’ as police stood by during assaults on students” by Aaron Corpora “UC Davis feces-flingers lose their shit over movie screening” by James Jordan “Emerson still ‘kinda sus’ on free speech — so we’ve alerted their accreditor” by Graham Piro “Arrest of student in Boston a grim reminder of the danger facing Chinese dissidents on campus” by Sarah McLaughlin “Tennessee Tech still investigating, enforcing event ban on LGBTQ+ and theater groups that hosted drag show” by Amanda Nordstrom “Federal court distorts First Amendment, upholds Tennessee Tech’s punishment of professors for ‘Game of Thrones’ parody flyers” by Zach Greenberg www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@freespeechtalk Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

Dec 8, 2022 • 1h 7min
Ep. 176 Can a graphic designer be compelled to design a website for a same-sex wedding?
Hot on the heels of oral argument in 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis, FIRE’s Ronnie London and David Hudson join the show to discuss the case, as well as other high profile free speech cases at the Supreme Court this year. Show notes: Transcript Watch the video of the podcast conversation 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis Shurtleff v. City of Boston Kennedy v. Bremerton School District Gonzalez v. Google LLC Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts, Inc. v. Goldsmith Jack Daniel’s Properties, Inc. v. VIP Products LLC www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thefireorg Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

Nov 22, 2022 • 1h 12min
Ep. 175 Jawboning, book banning, and LeBron James thinks hate speech isn’t free speech (also Elon Musk … again)
FIRE’s new Director of Public Advocacy Aaron Terr and the Cato Institute’s Will Duffield join the show to discuss a slew of recent free speech news. California gets it right on rap lyrics but wrong on coronavirus misinformation. One Texas school district repeatedly ventures into book banning. LeBron James spreads “hate speech” misinformation. Is government “jawboning” censorship? And, yes, Elon Musk . . . again. Show notes: Transcript Watch the video of the podcast conversation “VICTORY: After FIRE lawsuit, court halts enforcement of key provisions of the Stop WOKE Act limiting how Florida professors can teach about race, sex” “Jawboning against Speech: How Government Bullying Shapes the Rules of Social Media,” by Will Duffield “Fact Sheet: Texas School District Bans 'Gender Fluidity' from Library Shelves” “California Restricts Use of Rap Lyrics in Criminal Trials After Gov. Newsom Signs Bill,” “The ACLU Says California's Ban on COVID-19 ‘Misinformation’ From Doctors Is Gratuitous and Unconstitutional,” LeBron James, via Twitter: “So many damn unfit people saying hate speech is free speech.” “Markey fires back after Musk mocks his Twitter complaint” “Biden asked whether Elon Musk is ‘threat’ to national security, says relationships ‘worth being looked at’” www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thefireorg Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

Nov 3, 2022 • 58min
Ep. 174 Elon Musk, PayPal, and is New York trying to destroy Twitch?
FIRE’s Will Creeley and Aaron Terr join the show to discuss a slew of recent free speech news: What do we make of Elon Musk buying Twitter? Is PayPal fining its users $2,500 for promoting “misinformation”? Is New York trying to destroy Twitch? And do public employees in Charlottesville, Va., need to shut their mouths to keep their jobs? Also, how’s FIRE’s off-campus expansion going? Show notes: Transcript Open letter to Elon Musk from Greg Lukianoff on preserving free expression on social media “Elon Musk’s business ties deserve more scrutiny” by Matt Yglesias “Welcome to geriatric social media” by Charlie Warzel “Silicon Values: The future of free speech under surveillance capitalism” by Jillian C. York “PayPal is no pal to free expression” by Aaron Terr “Did PayPal reverse course on proposed speech-chilling policies?” by Aaron Terr “Did PayPal quietly bring back its financial penalty for spreading ‘misinformation’?” by Aaron Terr “The Internet Is Not Facebook: Why Infrastructure Providers Should Stay Out of Content Policing” by Corynne McSherry and Jillian C. York New York attorney general report on the Buffalo shooting, social media, and livestreaming “City’s new policy wrongly muzzles employees” by Will Creeley www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SotoSpeakTheFreeSpeechPodcast Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

Oct 20, 2022 • 1h 18min
Ep. 173 Does your book need a sensitivity reader?
Do books need a special editor who reads for offensive content? And who gets to decide what’s offensive anyway? This week we are joined by authors Kat Rosenfield and Vesper Stamper to discuss censorial trends in book publishing, including the rise of so-called “sensitivity readers” and the sometimes successful campaigns to get books canceled before they are even published. We also explore adjacent debates: Is it appropriate to write outside of one’s identity or lived experience? And can authors write about people who do bad things without endorsing the bad things they do? Show notes: Transcript “The Toxic Drama on YA Twitter” by Kat Rosenfield “Berliners” by Vesper Stamper “No One Will Miss Her: A Novel” by Kat Rosenfield New York Times: “Sundance Liked Her Documentary on Terrorism, Until Muslim Critics Didn’t” “You Must Remember This: A Novel” by Kat Rosenfield www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SotoSpeakTheFreeSpeechPodcast Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

Oct 5, 2022 • 1h 10min
Ep. 172 What does the First Amendment protect on social media?
Does the First Amendment to the United States Constitution protect a private social media company’s right to moderate content on its platform?A new ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit says it does not, and that a Texas law preventing viewpoint discrimination on social media platforms is constitutional.The issue is likely bound for the Supreme Court, setting up what is arguably the most consequential First Amendment legal case in a half-century. Institute for Free Speech Chairman and Founder Brad Smith and George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin join us to debate the ruling and the future of free speech on the internet. Show notes: Transcript Texas social media law, HB 20 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling in NetChoice v. Paxton 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling in NetChoice v. Attorney General, State of Florida Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 Pruneyard Shopping Center et al v. Robins et al. (1980) Masterpiece Cakeshop, LTD. v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (2018) “Governor Newsom Signs Nation-Leading Social Media Transparency Measure” Packingham v. North Carolina (2017) www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SotoSpeakTheFreeSpeechPodcast Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

Sep 29, 2022 • 1h 4min
Ep. 171 Nature Human Misbehavior
“Should academic journals appoint themselves social justice gatekeepers?”That is the question journalist and author Jonathan Rauch asks in responding to new ethics guidance from the academic journal Nature Human Behaviour. The journal introduces the guidance by ominously noting that “although academic freedom is fundamental, it is not unbounded.” It then goes on to discuss ways it will restrict publishing research that allegedly harms, stigmatizes, or otherwise “undermines the dignity or rights of specific groups” — even inadvertently.Rauch joins the show, along with University of Southern California professor Anna Krylov. Show notes: Transcript “Science must respect the dignity and rights of all humans” by Nature Human Behaviour (editorial announcing ethics guidelines) “Nature Human Misbehavior: politicized science is neither science nor progress” by Jonathan Rauch “The Peril of Politicizing Science” by Anna l. Krylov “The Doctrine of Academic Freedom” by Sandra Y.L. Korn (article advocating for “academic justice” in lieu of academic freedom) www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SotoSpeakTheFreeSpeechPodcast Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org

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Sep 15, 2022 • 36min
Ep. 170 Free speech and the American Founding
This Saturday, Sept. 17, is Constitution Day. It was on this day in 1787 that delegates to the Constitutional Convention signed America’s Constitution. And while the First Amendment was not ratified until 1791, discussions over the role of free speech and expression in a democratic society were alive long before then. Pepperdine University professor and author Gordon Lloyd joins the show this week to explore how the American conception of free speech came to be, from the colonial era to the ratification of the Bill of Rights. Drawing from over 40 years of research, Lloyd discusses examples of free speech and expression during the founding, ranging from 1641, when the Massachusetts Body of Liberties — the earliest known protection of free speech in the colonies — was published; to 1776, when free speech aided the decision to declare independence from Great Britain; to the late 1780s, when federalist and anti-federalist publications sparked, in Lloyd’s words, “the greatest pamphlet war the world has ever seen.” Show notes: Transcript The Bill of Rights Online Exhibit on AmericanFounding.org “The Essential Bill of Rights: Original Arguments and Fundamental Documents” edited by Gordon Lloyd and Margie Lloyd The Federalist Papers by James Madison, John Jay, and Alexander Hamilton and edited by George W. Carey and James McClellan “The Essential Antifederalists” edited by William B. Allen and Gordon Lloyd “Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787” by James Madison and edited by Gordon Lloyd “Free Speech: A History from Socrates to Social Media” by Jacob Mchangama www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SotoSpeakTheFreeSpeechPodcast Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/freespeechtalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sotospeakpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freespeechtalk/ Email us: sotospeak@thefire.org