
Developing Classical Thinkers
Developing Classical Thinkers is a classical podcast for classical thinkers, created and supported by the teachers at Thales Academy, a classical school in Raleigh, North Carolina. A Thales Press podcast.
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Nov 23, 2023 • 3min
Happy Thanksgiving
Thanksgiving is today, so it is an appropriate time to look back and reflect on all the things we should be thankful for.I was reminded of these things watching, then editing a recent webinar from Dr. Anthony Esolen, entitled To Read a Painting, to Enter Another World. While watching, I was reminded of how blessed I was to have gotten an education like this growing up. Dr. Esolen’s walked the audience through four paintings in carefully interpreted explanations of iconography, techniques, the painters used to achieve, vibrant, scintillating colors, and the ways that we could identify an artwork. It was created just by the artist’s use of colors. Dr. Esolen gave a wonderful webinar, and it reminded me of art classes I got to attend while I was in high school and college.Such an education is a journey filled with many twists and turns and unexpected parties (to use Tolkien’s words). Like Tintoretto’s “Annunciation,” the wider world may be full of debris—broken pieces of wood and ruined stones—but occasionally moments of great beauty burst in.Likewise with the first Thanksgiving. The Pilgrims were sojourning in a cold, rocky unforgiving wilderness and yet, there were those moments when profound clarity burst through like the angel Gabriel visiting Mary. Like how the Pilgrims found fields already sowed and planted, thus giving them food supplies when they would otherwise run out. A Native American named Squanto who spoke English and could teach them how to survive the bitter New England winter. Or the foresight to compile a founding charter, the Mayflower Compact, which would serve as the first governing document in the United States.As I examine my own life, I see those moments of beauty and clarity when God burst through and directed my attention to the better things, the sublime things, that inspire the soul and bring joy to life.I hope that on Thanksgiving, such moments may happen to you as you gather with family and friends and celebrate the things that really matter.

Nov 21, 2023 • 49min
Anthony Esoleon and "To Read a Painting, to Enter Another World"
How can you learn about, or teach about, the Renaissance or any great period of human civilization, from dwelling upon the art that the masters produced? If the beauty we see or hear or touch enters our minds and memories more powerfully than do ideas expressed in words, isn't it advisable for the teacher to show how the ideas of a culture are embodied in art? What experience does the student have, for example, when he is taught to "read" two very different paintings of the same subject, one from the early Renaissance and one from the time near its end?In this lecture, Dr. Anthony Esolen answered these questions and more as he walked through four great works of art: "The Annunciation" by Fra Angelico, "The Annunciation" by Jacopo Tintoretto, "Magdalene Penitent" by Donatello, and "Magdalene Penitent" by Caravaggio.Originally from northeastern Pennsylvania and the grandson of southern Italian immigrants, Dr. Anthony Esolen received his A.B. in English Literature from Princeton University and his M.A. and Ph.D. in Renaissance English Literature from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Dr. Esolen serves as Distinguished Professor of Humanities at Thales College.

Nov 16, 2023 • 48min
Andrew Zwerneman | How to Teach Literature: A Lively Kind of Learning | Fall Classical Summit 2023
It is increasingly difficult to find students at the collegiate level who know how to engage in spirited, rigorous, but amiable debate about important matters. Grandstanding, emotive outbursts calculated to silence opposition, and the recitation of prefabricated talking points mark much of the environment. Rather than seeking to expose the truth, much of what counts for debate is actually aimed at domination and manifests an unhealthy conformance to the reigning ideas of a school of thought or a political activist agenda. A proper training from a younger age in the art of seminar discussion would help contemporary college students navigate the choppy waters of young adulthood.This talk addressed how those of us who teach secondary students can create environments free, curious, and open for seminar discussions. It will address the goals of a seminar; the necessary habits and tools for a fruitful discussion; and common mistakes that spoil a seminar.Andrew J. Zwerneman serves as Cana Academy’s President and as Cana Academy's Master Teachers. For 39 years, he has taught and consulted in secondary schools that emphasize classic humanities. For 19 years he headed schools—2 at the public charter school, Tempe Preparatory Academy in Tempe, Arizona, 17 at Trinity School at Meadow View in Falls Church, Virginia.He is the founder and owner of The Academy Project, LLC, which wrote the curricula and trained faculties for Thomas MacLaren School in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Trinity Academy in Portland, Oregon. Education: B.A., A.B.D., University of Notre Dame; M.A., St. John’s University. He is the author of "History Forgotten and Remembered" (2020) and "The Life We Have Together: A Case for Humane Studies, A Vision for Renewal" (2022). This lecture was delivered live at the Fall Classical Summit, a regional classical conference held at Thales Academy Rolesville Junior High-High School on October 6, 2023.Interested in teaching at Thales Academy? Please check out our website if you are interested in pursuing a career at Thales Academy and learning about needs across our network. Find out more at https://www.thalesacademy.org/contact/careers.

Nov 7, 2023 • 36min
The Thales Way with Bob Luddy
In August 2023, Thales Press published The Thales Way by Bob Luddy, founder of Thales Academy. The Thales Way explains the history and mission of Thales Academy, the rationale for our educational approaches, and standards and methods for teachers, students, and families. In this episode, host Winston Brady speaks with Bob Luddy about the book, his vision for the school, and his heart for students coming through Thales Academy. Check out The Thales Way on Amazon at https://bit.ly/3rNWC2e and be sure to leave us a review of the work.Theme music is Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" and the Wichita State University Chamber Players, available here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHUWnB10_4I&list=PLdqEepE4oj9Y277Dn6MBDIn2AktxD2WUo

Nov 1, 2023 • 49min
Robert Luddy | Modern Monetary Theory vs. Reality: No More Free Money | Fall Classical Summit 2023
Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), is an economic theory that allows unlimited government spending financed by deficits and debt. However, MMT leads to high taxes, high-interest rates and lower growth. High government debt crowds out private investment, which is critical to production and growth. MMT and related policies of the federal government have also led to bank failures such as the Silicon Valley Bank.In this lecture, Bob Luddy explained the financial and economic underpinnings of MMT and why this economic theory causes more disastrous consequences the more we act on it.Bob Luddy is the founder of Thales Academy and the President of CaptiveAire Systems, a leading manufacturer of commercial kitchen ventilation equipment. In 2007, Bob opened Thales Academy, a network of private schools offering a high-quality Pre-K-12 education at affordable tuition. The Luddy Schools are quickly growing, with over 5,000 students enrolled throughout North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia.Bob is an avid supporter of entrepreneurs and the free market system, and published his book, “Entrepreneurial Life: The Path from Startup to Market Leader,” in 2018. This lecture was delivered live at the Fall Classical Summit, a regional classical conference held at Thales Academy Rolesville Junior High-High School on October 6, 2023.Interested in teaching at Thales Academy? Please check out our website if you are interested in pursuing a career at Thales Academy and learning about needs across our network. Find out more at https://www.thalesacademy.org/contact/careers.

Oct 24, 2023 • 39min
Peter Forrest | Classical Education and Philosophical Anthropology | Fall Classical Summit 2023
Classical Education is concerned, as a matter of first importance, with the cultivation of the virtues in our students. But we cannot have a reliable grip on what the virtues of a human being are without an accurate philosophical account of the nature of the human person, i.e. without a solid understanding of what it means to be human, a concept known as philosophical anthropology. This subject is especially important now, given the widespread confusion about human nature and personal identity in our contemporary culture, including in our schools. In this workshop, I will seek to do two things.To support his argument, Dr. Forrest begins with the Natural Law tradition and then outlines a philosophical account of humans as essentially conscious embodied creatures. Then, Dr. Forrest draws out practical implications of this account for classical educators in general and teachers in the classroom in particular.Peter Forrest, Ph.D., received his doctorate in philosophy from the University of Oxford in 2015, after having previously received a B.Phil. in philosophy from Oxford in 2011, a M.A. in philosophical theology from Yale University Divinity School in 2009, and a B.A. in English from Yale University in 2005. Dr. Forrest’s primary area of research has been in the philosophy of mind and cognitive science, and he has spent the past five years teaching undergraduates in the philosophy department at Auburn University. He is married and is father to two young children, and in his spare time he enjoys coaching his son’s soccer team. He serves as the Dean of Humanities for Thales College.This lecture was delivered live at the Fall Classical Summit, a regional classical conference held at Thales Academy Rolesville Junior High-High School on October 6, 2023.Interested in teaching at Thales Academy? Please check out our website if you are interested in pursuing a career at Thales Academy and learning about needs across our network. Find out more at https://www.thalesacademy.org/contact/careers.Theme music is Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" and the Wichita State University Chamber Players, available here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHUWnB10_4I&list=PLdqEepE4oj9Y277Dn6MBDIn2AktxD2WUo

Oct 19, 2023 • 27min
The Yass Prize
Thales Academy has been named a Semifinalist for the 2023 Yass Prize, which is considered the “Pulitzer of Education Innovation” and is designed "to find, reward, celebrate and expand best-in-class education organizations from every sector." The Yass Prize is a prestigious award of recognition and also grants a $1 million reward to the grand prize winner. In this episode, Winston speaks with Josh Herring, professor of Classical Education at Thales College, about the Yass Prize and the events he's attending as the representative from Thales Academy. Thales Academy is one of 33 Yass Prize Semifinalists, narrowed down from 64 Quarterfinalists that were originally selected out of nearly 2000 schools and educational organizations in the nation. As a Semifinalist, Thales Academy is a “STOP Award” (“Sustainable, Transformational, Outstanding, and Permissionless”) winner and will compete to be among the Finalists announced in December.Also, be sure to vote for Thales and the Yass Prize Parents Choice Award at: YassPrize.org/vote and help us win an additional $100K for our campuses! We hope you will vote daily for us (or as many days as you can) between now and November 25! Encourage your adult friends and family to vote, too! On your mark, get set, VOTE! YassPrize.org/vote Thank you for supporting Thales Academy in this exciting Yass Prize endeavor!Interested in teaching at Thales Academy? Please check out our website if you are interested in pursuing a career at Thales Academy and learning about needs across our network. Find out more at https://www.thalesacademy.org/contact/careers.Theme music is Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" and the Wichita State University Chamber Players, available here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHUWnB10_4I&list=PLdqEepE4oj9Y277Dn6MBDIn2AktxD2WUo

Oct 17, 2023 • 42min
Josh Herring | "Receiving the Given: Learning Gratitude from C.S. Lewis | Fall Classical Summit, 2023
In the Ransom Trilogy, C.S. Lewis presents a theory of reality as a gift. Through the metaphors of fruit and waves, Lewis suggests that we rational creatures find our best flourishing when we receive reality and unfold its riches throughout our lives.Josh Herring, Professor of Classical Education at Thales College, presented this talk based on a chapter of his recently completed dissertation. Josh Herring (PhD, Humanities) serves as Professor of Classical Education at Thales College. He hosts The Optimistic Curmudgeon, an interview show platforming the best in conservative thought. He tweets at @TheOptimisticC3. He regularly writes for Liberty Fund and the Acton Institute.This lecture was delivered live at the Fall Classical Summit, a regional classical conference held at Thales Academy Rolesville Junior High-High School on October 6, 2023.Interested in teaching at Thales Academy? Please check out our website if you are interested in pursuing a career at Thales Academy and learning about needs across our network. Find out more at https://www.thalesacademy.org/contact/careers.

Oct 12, 2023 • 1h 2min
Andrew Zwerneman | History: Seeing the Whole for the Whole School | Fall Classical Summit 2023
At its best, teaching history helps our students recover their bearings in a world that increasingly makes it difficult to see and love the life we have together. Like being and nature, history is a concept of unity by which we get our minds around the whole of things: in this case, the whole of our existence as the past, the present, and the future. As a discipline within the humanities, history is the study of change in society as it moves in time. Change is a given, not an end. In order to grasp the significance of change, students of history must see the past in its pastness, neither as the present writ small nor as the occasion to condemn the past for not rising to their demands for what it should have been. In other words, they need to study the past observationally and sympathetically, free from anachronisms and moralizing.Finally, history is a way of interpreting our existence as a community that consists of the dead, the living, and the yet to be born. It is a way of seeing how we are responsible for one another across generations. To forget that unity is to lose ourselves. To remember it is to see ourselves as recipients of the life passed on by our forebears and as givers of life to our neighbors and to future generations.Andrew J. Zwerneman serves as Cana Academy’s President and as one of our Master Teachers. For 39 years, he has taught and consulted in secondary schools that emphasize classic humanities. For 19 years he headed schools—2 at the public charter school, Tempe Preparatory Academy in Tempe, Arizona, 17 at Trinity School at Meadow View in Falls Church, Virginia.He is the founder and owner of The Academy Project, LLC, which wrote the curricula and trained faculties for Thomas MacLaren School in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Trinity Academy in Portland, Oregon. Education: B.A., A.B.D., University of Notre Dame; M.A., St. John’s University. He is the author of "History Forgotten and Remembered" (2020) and "The Life We Have Together: A Case for Humane Studies, A Vision for Renewal" (2022).This lecture was delivered live at the Fall Classical Summit, a regional classical conference held at Thales Academy Rolesville Junior High-High School on October 6, 2023.Interested in teaching at Thales Academy? Please check out our website if you are interested in pursuing a career at Thales Academy and learning about needs across our network. Find out more at https://www.thalesacademy.org/contact/careers.Theme music is Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" and the Wichita State University Chamber Players, available here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHUWnB10_4I&list=PLdqEepE4oj9Y277Dn6MBDIn2AktxD2WUo

Sep 21, 2023 • 58min
The National Debt | Luddy Lecture with Paul Cwik
On Thursday, August 29, Thales Academy Rolesville hosted a special with Dr. Paul Cwik of University of Mount Olive. In the lecture, Dr. Cwik examined the national debt, investigating the question, “how much debt is really too much”Dr. Paul Cwik is a Fellow of the Mises Institute and the BB&T Professor of Economics and Finance at the University of Mount Olive. He earned a BA from Hillsdale College, an MA from Tulane University, and a PhD from Auburn University, where he was a Mises Research Fellow.Interested in teaching at Thales Academy? Please check out our website if you are interested in pursuing a career at Thales Academy and learning about needs across our network. Find out more at https://www.thalesacademy.org/contact/careers.Theme music is Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" and the Wichita State University Chamber Players, available here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHUWnB10_4I&list=PLdqEepE4oj9Y277Dn6MBDIn2AktxD2WUo