

Typology
Ian Cron
Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who are trying to become the best version of themselves in the world.
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Apr 27, 2023 • 39min
Kelli Thompson Closes the Confidence Gap (Type 5)
Discovering the Enneagram was the key to helping Kelli Thompson get out of her head, move through doubt and rumination, and take action. “It was really just a journey of how do you bring your life back into alignment with your values, learn to trust your heart and your gut, and that they have just as much merit as your brain, and then how do you use that to speak up and set boundaries, and take next steps forward and to make confident decisions,” says Kelli. In this episode, Kelli shares the importance of bringing the three centers of intelligence into balance and how to navigate gender stereotypes as an Enneagram 5 in the workplace while not losing yourself in the process. ––– Kelli Thompson is a women’s leadership coach and speaker who helps women advance to the rooms where decisions are made. She has coached and trained hundreds of women to trust themselves, lead with more confidence, and create a career they love. She is the founder of the Clarity & Confidence Women's Leadership Program, and a Stevie Award winner for Women in Business—Coach of the Year. Her thought leadership has been featured in Forbes, MarketWatch, Parents Magazine, HuffPost, and FastCompany. She is the author of Closing The Confidence Gap: Boost Your Peace, Your Potential & Your Paycheck. Website Instagram LinkedIn

Apr 20, 2023 • 49min
How an Enneagram 4 and Enneagram 8 Balance Their Relationship, feat. Makoto and Haejin Fujimura
Are an Enneagram 4 and an Enneagram 8 compatible? While both bring a fierce intensity to the world, they each bring different gifts to the table. Helen Palmer describes their match up, as “a partnership of intensity acted out by fight, flight fascination, and flare. Each feels somewhat awed by the other. Eights feel themselves to be coarse and blunt in comparison with the elegant and socially adept romantic. From their side, Fours can be utterly magnetized by the socially shameless boss. It can be a real cliffhanger.” In today’s episode, artist and author Makoto Fujimura and his wife, Haejin enter the Typology studio to talk about the importance of establishing their friendship first, their different approaches to battling darkness, and how they are putting together a partnership that is greater than it’s individual parts. You’ll learn: What they admire most about each other How they navigate and balance their individual intensity Ways they’ve learned to utilize their individual gifts to honor their partnership Makoto Fujimura is a world-class contemporary artist whose process driven, refractive “slow art” has been described by David Brooks of New York Times as “a small rebellion against the quickening of time”. Robert Kushner, in the mid 90’s, written on Fujimura’s art in Art in America this way: “The idea of forging a new kind of art, about hope, healing, redemption, refuge, while maintaining visual sophistication and intellectual integrity is a growing movement, one which finds Makoto Fujimura’s work at the vanguard.” Haejin has extensive litigation and courtroom experience defending and prosecuting over 400 civil lawsuits in both federal and state courts. She is admitted to practice in NY, NJ and PA. She has represented manufacturing, insurance, software, e-commerce, franchise, real estate, hotel, restaurant, design, automobile, and transportation companies, nonprofit organizations, and individuals in matters involving contract, partnership dispute, directors/officers liability, corporate governance, business formation, trademark, personal injury, general/premises liability, and subrogation. She also has represented various companies as Outside General Counsel. Haejin is actively involved in the legal and local communities and serves on multiple charities. In 2015, Haejin was invited by Ministry of Health and Welfare of South Korean government to speak on U.S. nonprofit corporation law. She has also spoken at various community and legal organizations to encourage the youth and promote professionalism. To learn more about Mako or to find the exact date and location of his new exhibit coming to Nashville this fall, follow him on social or visit his website at https://makotofujimura.com. https://makotofujimura.com - hello@makotofujimura.com YouTube - @makotofujimura3020 Culture Care Creative Academy Kintsugi I Am Culture Care Instagram - @iamfujimura Facebook - @makotofujimuraart Twitter - @iamfujimura Haejin Shim Fujimura Website LinkedIn Instagram

Apr 13, 2023 • 36min
What’s Your Instinctual Stack? feat. EnneaApp Creator Elan Benami (Type 6)
What is an Instinctual Stack? Do you know yours? We all have three instincts. None of us are absent one. However, one does tend to be dominant. But what are instincts and how do they influence how each type shows up in the world? Today’s guest, Elan Benami, creator of the EnneaApp and author of Enneagram Patterns & Poetics, provides a great overview of Instincts, Subtypes, and the Instinctual Stack and shares how they play out for him in his personal and professional life. – Elan is an LPC with a MA in Transpersonal Counseling Psychology and BA in Philosophy. In addition to his own private counseling practice, Elan is the Clinical Director of People House - a non-profit that provides affordable counseling in Colorado. Elan was introduced to the Enneagram in 2008 by his first therapist. He then did intense studying with Lori Ohlson, who was his supervisor. Claudio Naranjo was Lori's primary teacher, so there is a deep kinship with his work. Other major Enneagram teachers who have shaped Elan include Helen Palmer, Russ Hudson, Don Riso, and Sandra Maitri. Elan and Lori Ohlson have co-facilitated many Enneagram classes/workshops, most of them in the narrative tradition. Through Lori’s Enneagram material (of over 25 years of teaching the Enneagram), Elan created the EnneaApp, initially for the purpose of having something to quickly reference between sessions. Through the years, he has adapted the content to be more reflective of his own experience while also preserving Lori’s lineage. The app has over 1.5 million downloads. Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. Learn more about Elan BenAmi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elanbenami/ EnneaApp Enneagram Patterns & Poetics: A guide to understanding personality

Apr 6, 2023 • 56min
Replay: Healing from past sufferings, feat. Dr. Dan Allender (Type 8)
How has your past uniquely prepared you to experience more joy? In today’s replay of one of my favorite episodes, Dr. Dan Allender and I explore this question in an insightful conversation about healing the heart from trauma, rewriting the broken stories we adopt as children, and the overlap with the Enneagram. Professor of counseling psychology at The Seattle School and founder of The Allender Center, Dr. Dan Allender has pioneered a unique therapy centered around his innovative theory and training in transforming betrayal, ambivalence, and powerlessness into faith, hope, and love. He’s a popular podcaster on The Allender Center Podcast and the author of Healing the Wondered Heart, The Wounded Heart, The Healing Path, To Be Told and God Loves Sex, and Redeeming Heartache: How Past Suffering Reveals Our True Calling. Learn more about Dr. Allender at https://theallendercenter.org or follow him @allendercenter on Facebook and Instagram. -- Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.

Mar 30, 2023 • 36min
How the Enneagram Can Help You Build Emotional Intelligence, feat. Scott Allender (Type 3)
Research has shown that Emotional Intelligence (EI) is one of the biggest predictors of personal and professional success. But how do you develop it? Today’s guest, expert in global leadership and organizational development and co-host of The Evolving Leader Podcast, Scott Allender joins Ian to discuss what emotional intelligence actually is, how the Enneagram aligns with the five essential skills needed to cultivate it, and shares the importance of reclaiming our lost parts for true healing and wholeness. Scott Allender is an expert in global leadership and organizational development. Along with co-hosting The Evolving Leader podcast, he regularly teaches Enneagram workshops and conducts typing interviews and emotional intelligence assessments for individuals and teams who seek to become more radically self-aware and cognizant of the impact they have on the world. To learn more about your personality-specific path toward lasting emotional intelligence and health, pre-order your copy of The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence today. Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.

Mar 23, 2023 • 48min
Singer-Songwriter Cindy Morgan on the Enneagram (Type 4)
This week, my dear friend and gifted songwriter, Cindy Morgan, joins me for a great conversation about Enneagram Fours, including the push-pull dance of fours in relationships, the well of suffering we can get trapped in, and the importance of authenticity. We also discuss the story behind her debut novel, The Year of Jubilee, and explore how she integrated the Enneagram into the main characters' development. About Cindy Morgan Singer/songwriter Cindy L. Morgan is a two-time Grammy nominee, a thirteen-time Dove winner, and a recipient of the prestigious Songwriter of the Year trophy. An East Tennessee native, her evocative melodies and lyrics have mined the depths of life and love both in her own recording and through songwriting for noteworthy artists around the globe, including Vince Gill, India.Arie, Rascal Flatts, Amy Grant, Sandra McCracken, and Glen Campbell. Cindy is the author of two works of adult nonfiction—the memoir How Could I Ask for More: Stories of Blessings, Battles & Beauty (Worthy Inspire, 2015) and Barefoot on Barbed Wire: A Journey Out of Fear into Freedom (Harvest House Publishers, 2001)—and of the children's picture book Dance Me, Daddy (ZonderKidz, 2009). The Year of Jubilee is her debut novel. Cindy is a co-creator of the charitable Hymns for Hunger Tour, which has raised awareness and resources for hunger relief organizations across the globe. Cindy has two daughters and splits her time living between a small town near Nashville and Holly Springs, North Carolina, with her husband Jonathan. To learn more about Cindy Morgan, follow her on Instagram, Facebook or visit her website. Pre-order her new book, The Year of Jubilee. ----- Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.

Mar 16, 2023 • 37min
Three Words That Change Everything, feat. Mark Batterson (Type 3)
As the New York Times bestselling author of 23 books and lead pastor of National Community Church, Mark Batterson believes that the foundation of all healthy relationships and successful careers stems from our proficiency in these three words: Please. Sorry. Thanks. All three of these words require a posture of humility. All three of these words unlock the law of reciprocity and foster connection and understanding. As Mark puts it, “to me, ‘please’ is a way of being others-focused and honoring others. It’s going against the tide of entitlement. I don’t want to operate in that way. I want to operate in a way that honors others.” This week, Mark Batterson returns to Typology to discuss how these three powerful words impact leadership, relationships, and a healthy mindset. We also explore the distinction between self-awareness and self-consciousness, and the role self-awareness plays in allowing us to give a timely “please,” a sincere “sorry,” and a heartfelt “thanks.” — Mark Batterson is the lead pastor of the National Community Church (NCC) in Washington, D.C. One church in multiple locations, NCC owns and operates Ebenezers Coffeehouse and the DC Dream Center. NCC is currently developing a city block into The Capital Turnaround - this 100,000-square-foot space will include an event venue, child development center, and mixed-use marketplace. Mark holds a doctor of ministry degree from Regent University and is the New York Times bestselling author of 23 books, including Please Sorry Thanks: The Three Words That Change Everything (Multnomah/Penguin Random House; on-sale 4/4/23) and Win the Day, as well as several books for children, including The Best Worst Day Ever (on sale 2/21/23; Multnomah/Penguin Random House), written with his daughter Summer. Pre-order his latest book, Please Sorry Thanks: The Three Words That Change Everything. To learn more about Mark Batterson, follow him on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter or visit his website. Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.

Mar 9, 2023 • 43min
Permission to be honest, feat. Kate Bowler (Type 2)
When Kate Bowler was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer, she was forced to grapple with the cultural scripts that box us into a tidy story about how we “earn our lives and get what we deserve,” and that “anything is possible.” But what if those scripts aren’t true? She joins me for an open conversation about her chronic sadness, suffering, and pain, and invites us to be honest about the lives that can’t be fixed. She reminds us that “we are people to be loved, not problems to be solved.” Kate Bowler is the New York Times bestselling author of Everything Happens for a Reason (And Other Lies I’ve Loved), No Cure for Being Human (And Other Truths I Need to Hear), and Good Enough. She is the host of the popular podcast, Everything Happens. A Duke University professor, she earned a master’s degree in religion from Yale Divinity School and a Ph.D. from Duke University.

Mar 2, 2023 • 35min
What actually makes and happy and healthy life? feat. Dr. Robert Waldinger (Type 3)
What actually makes a fulfilling and meaningful life? Today, Dr. Robert Waldinger, Director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development, reveals the key to real happiness is the strength of our connections and relationships with others. “The people who stay happiest, healthiest, and live the longest have the warmest relationships with other people, “explains Dr. Waldinger. Dr. Waldinger shares the findings of the longest scientific study of happiness, shedding light on the common misconceptions of happiness, how meaningful human connection impacts our health, and what we can do to strengthen existing or forge new relationships. Dr. Robert Waldinger is a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development at Massachusetts General Hospital, and cofounder of the Lifespan Research Foundation. In The Good Life, Dr. Waldinger teaches you how to proactively create happiness by focusing on what keeps you healthy rather than what makes you sick.

Feb 23, 2023 • 43min
How to 'Get It Right,' with Andy and Sandra Stanley (Type 1s)
Andy and Sandra Stanley, experts in parenting and building strong relationships, discuss their latest book and the importance of intentional parenting, equipping children for relational success, and restoring broken relationships. They also delve into how the Enneagram has influenced their parenting and share tips on apologizing to children, influencing them, and teaching them how to suffer well.