
Art of Procurement
Learn from procurement experts. Host Philip Ideson talks with thought leaders who share the trends, strategies and tactics that you can lever to elevate the role of procurement - and your career.
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Feb 21, 2025 • 11min
779: Procurement 6 | February 21st, 2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time. Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement. Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.

Feb 19, 2025 • 22min
BTW EP 01: Buy: The Way... To Purposeful Procurement
Rich Ham, CEO of Fine Tune, an expense management consultancy, shares his insights on the critical flaws in current procurement incentive structures. He discusses how these issues hinder true value creation and profitability. The conversation highlights the need for a shift from mere cost-saving to a more collaborative, value-driven approach. Ham also explores the impact of technology on procurement roles and the importance of diverse perspectives in overcoming systemic challenges. This dialogue sets the foundation for a transformative journey in responsible procurement.

Feb 19, 2025 • 37min
BTW EP 02: Tales of Dysfunction (a.k.a. “Procurgatory”)
Building off the previous discussion about “purposeful procurement,” Philip Ideson, Kelly Barner, and Fine Tune CEO Rich Ham are back to take a bold, honest look at the systemic flaws that have all too often shaped procurement’s behaviors and limited their impact. In this candid conversation, we share and discuss real-world examples about how current incentive structures elevate short-term thinking and less-than-exceptional outcomes, ignoring the huge potential procurement has to generate value. By tackling uncomfortable truths about dysfunction within the procurement system, Phil, Kelly, and Rich explore the topic with thoughtfulness, precision, and the kind of hard-won wisdom that can only come from years of experience in the procurement trenches. Listen in as we ‘interrogate’ procurement’s role in perpetuating flawed approaches and processes, usually to their own detriment. The candid exploration of these flies in the ointment will also serve as a springboard to solutions as Season 1 progresses. Stay tuned for episode 3, where our guest Oliver Hurrey will offer a glimpse of what truly inspiring and purposeful procurement looks like in practice. Links: Rich Ham on LinkedIn Learn more at FineTuneUs.com

Feb 19, 2025 • 42min
BTW EP 03: Oliver’s List: Inspiring Tales of Purposeful Procurement with Oliver Hurrey
As Albert Einstein said, “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.” After taking an honest look at some of procurement’s most pressing challenges and flaws in episodes 1 and 2, Philip Ideson and Fine Tune CEO Rich Ham shift their focus from problem-spotting to solution-seeking with special guest, Oliver Hurrey, one of the world’s foremost experts on purposeful procurement. Through his work on sustainability and decarbonization in the supply chain with the Scope 3 Peer Group and the Sustainable Procurement Pledge, Oliver is the ‘real deal’ when it comes to empowering purpose-driven procurement teams to create meaningful change. In this episode, Oliver shares compelling real-world examples of instances where procurement has looked beyond traditional measures of success – and some pretty challenging constraints – to find purpose and meaning, proving what is possible when procurement takes a deliberate approach to problem solving. For example, Oliver shares how an innovative carbon pricing initiative is transforming the way major corporations evaluate suppliers, and the story of one little-known family-owned painting business that impressed seasoned procurement leaders at an international conference by sharing how they frame sustainability initiatives as a competitive advantage. These stories of purposeful procurement prove how procurement can lead organizational change and differentiated value creation when they choose to innovate beyond the status quo, to emphasize and incentivize the right KPIs, and to stand up to broken, ineffective systems. Oliver’s own experiences with purpose-driven procurement create a clear path for what’s to come in episode 4 and beyond in “Buy: The Way…To Purposeful Procurement” as we dive increasingly deeper into how procurement can envision and implement the kinds of transformative practices that create meaningful, lasting impact. Links: Oliver Hurrey on LinkedIn Rich Ham on LinkedIn Learn more at FineTuneUs.com

Feb 17, 2025 • 42min
778: Business Waste - The Silent Value Killer W/ Pratik Patel
“I look at building a business case in terms of storytelling, and the story that you have to be able to tell in procurement is around better, faster, and cheaper.” – Pratik Patel, Director - Category Management - Labor/North America Technology Spend, Mastercard Understanding how to address skeptics, overcome objections, and communicate procurement’s value will ultimately determine how much buy-in (and resources) procurement receives. This holds true whether you are building a business case to establish a new procurement function or lobbying corporate leadership in a well-established team. In this episode, Philip Ideson talks with Pratik Patel, Director - Category Management - Labor/North America Technology Spend at Mastercard, about how procurement can use everyone’s desire to eliminate waste to build a strong business case for investment and support. Pratik also discusses: How procurement can utilize the “DOWNTIME” acronym to tackle waste and apply lean principles to procurement Ways to build stronger relationships and contracts by level-setting expectations and avoiding over-specifying Refining your approach to problem solving by focusing on the root cause and minimizing unnecessary steps Links: Pratik Patel on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in Procurement Subscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube

Feb 14, 2025 • 10min
777: Procurement 6 | February 14th, 2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time. Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement. Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.

Feb 10, 2025 • 34min
776: Putting Stakeholder Priorities First W/ Ryan Bradford
“Instead of taking an inward look at your sourcing and procurement models, consider the easiest, simplest experience that you can provide to your internal customers.” – Ryan Bradford Procurement is in the midst of a transformative period, but at the heart of all this change is one thing that is always relevant: the customer experience. Procurement has traditionally done itself a disservice by approaching the source-to-pay process with their own goals, needs, or processes in mind. But, by taking a more customer-centric approach and prioritizing their internal stakeholders, they can actually drive more value for the entire organization. In this episode, Philip Ideson speaks with experienced procurement leader and seasoned executive Ryan Bradford about how procurement can refine their approach to customer engagement. In many cases, this creates an opportunity to challenge conventional thinking about how procurement should interact with their customers to achieve the best outcomes. As Ryan says, it starts by putting the customer experience first. Ryan also discusses: How to create a customer-centric S2P model by engaging with stakeholders, understanding their needs, and pushing back in constructive ways The role technology and AI play in enabling simple, and seamless procurement experiences while still maintaining compliance and governance How to build on strong internal relationships and also win over the skeptics and resistors Links: Ryan Bradford on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in Procurement Subscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube

Feb 7, 2025 • 8min
775: Procurement 6 | February 7th, 2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time. Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement. Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.

Feb 3, 2025 • 27min
774: Closing the ‘Inspiration to Action’ Gap W/ Remko Van Hoek
“Procurement is going to make a transformative leap. It may be in a year. It may be in three years. But it’s going to happen. So start experimenting.” – Remko Van Hoek, Full Professor of Practice SCM, Executive Director CSCMP Supply Chain Hall of Fame, hosted by Walton, University of Arkansas - Sam M. Walton College of Business It’s time to make procurement fun again. That’s what Remko Van Hoek, Full Professor of Practice SCM, Executive Director CSCMP Supply Chain Hall of Fame, hosted by Walton, University of Arkansas - Sam M. Walton College of Business, told Philip Ideson when they sat down together at DPW Amsterdam 2024. In this episode, Remko shares insights from the 10X Procurement survey he led in conjunction with DPW, and what it reveals about how AI and digital transformation are injecting opportunity, value, and, yes, even fun back into procurement. The survey also uncovered a troubling ‘inspiration to action’ gap between procurement’s AI readiness and their ability to successfully execute at the pace required by the rest of the business. Along with discussing digital transformation pressures, Philip and Remko also explore: What 10X growth actually looks like in practice and how procurement can take the idea of exponential growth and turn that into tangible, bottom-line results for the business What it means to be “digitally literate” and why focusing only on technology is actually not the right approach to digital transformation The fundamentals procurement needs to have in place to 10X their growth and impact in 2025 Links: Remko Van Hoek on LinkedIn Listen to “Integrating Blockchain into Procurement” with Remko Van Hoek Subscribe to This Week in Procurement Subscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube

Jan 31, 2025 • 10min
773: Procurement 6 | January 31st, 2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time. Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement. Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.
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