
The Next System Podcast
The Next System Podcast is a regular series that examines the systemic challenges facing society today and the bold, systemic solutions that can build the society of tomorrow. Learn more about the Next System Project at www.thenextsystem.org.
Latest episodes

Dec 12, 2018 • 45min
The Green New Deal and the shift to a new economy
This week we have a panel discussion detailing the proposed Green New Deal that activists have been mobilizing for recently. We spoke with The Democracy Collaborative's own Johanna Bozuwa, the Sierra Club's Anthony Torres, and Sunrise Movement Co-Founder Evan Weber to explore the economic and social ramifications of a Green New Deal and the obstacles standing in its way. The Next System Podcast is available on iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, and Stitcher Radio. You can also subscribe independently to our RSS feed here. Transcripts of all episodes are available at https://thenextsystem.org/learn/collections/next-system-podcast.

Nov 27, 2018 • 48min
When “growing the economy” is not the right answer: Moving to sustainability
This week on the Next System Podcast we’re joined by Carina Millstone to discuss how to design business for an economic system that is rooted within ecological limits. Millstone is the executive director of Feedback, and her book Frugal Value: Designing Business for a Crowded Planet confronts issues of ownership, scale, consumption, and the other issues society must confront on the path to a more sustainable economy. The Next System Podcast is available on iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, and Stitcher Radio. You can also subscribe independently to our RSS feed here. Transcripts for all episodes are available at https://thenextsystem.org/learn/collections/next-system-podcast.

Nov 12, 2018 • 36min
Ep. 26: What Banks Owe Communities
Editorial Manager Isaiah J. Poole hosts Next System Project fellow Devin Case-Ruchala in a discussion about the future and yet-to-be-fulfilled potential of a landmark community investment law with John Holdsclaw, senior vice president of corporate affairs at National Cooperative Bank, and Gregory Jost, director of organizing at the Banana Kelly Community Improvement Association in New York City and a leading expert in community development issues. The Next System Podcast is available on iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, and Stitcher Radio. You can also subscribe independently to our RSS feed here. Transcripts of all episodes are available at www.thenextsystem.org/podcast.

Nov 2, 2018 • 54min
Ep. 25: Public Banking Coast to Coast
This week on the Next System Podcast David Jette from Public Bank LA and Juleon Robinson from Public Bank NYC sit down to discuss the transformative potential of public banks. These institutions aim to hold finance publicly accountable, directing credit into the real economy with the public goods prioritized over profit. Transcripts of all Next System Podcast episodes are available at https://thenextsystem.org/learn/collections/next-system-podcast. The Next System Podcast is available on iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, and Stitcher Radio. You can also subscribe independently to our RSS feed here.

Sep 21, 2018 • 42min
Ep. 24: The Antidote to the Amazon Economy
This week Stacy Mitchell, Co-Director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) and Director of ILSR’s Community-Scaled Economy initiative, joins Adam Simpson and special co-host Katie Parker to discuss locally-minded economics and what effects they might have on our communities. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast via iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, Stitcher Radio, or RSS. Transcripts of all episodes are available at www.thenextsystem.org.

Aug 29, 2018 • 40min
Episode 23: Community Control of Land and Housing (W/ Jarrid Green)
The Democracy Collaborative's Senior Research Fellow, Jarrid Green, joins the Next System Podcast to discuss his new report on community control of land and housing, which includes a discussion of actionable policies that cities can take to halt gentrification and build community wealth. Read the report here: https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/community-control-land-and-housing

Jul 24, 2018 • 37min
Ep. 22: The Preston Model for Economic Revival
Councillor Matthew Brown, head of the Preston City Council, sits down with the Next System Project to discuss his the strategy that Preston is pursuing to build community wealth as a path to economic development. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast via iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, Stitcher Radio, or RSS. Full transcripts of all Next System Podcast Episodes are available at www.thenextsystem.org

Jun 19, 2018 • 50min
Ep. 21: Worker Cooperatives & System Change (W/ Esteban Kelly)
This week Esteban Kelly of the United States Federation of Worker Cooperatives joins us to talk about his experience with cooperatives and his perspective on how they fit into a movement for systemic change. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast via iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, Stitcher Radio, or RSS.

Apr 16, 2018 • 51min
Ep. 20: Towards the Inclusive Workers’ Movement of the Future (W/ Dorian Warren)
This week, we speak with Dr. Dorian Warren about a wide range of subjects, from the persistent importance of unions and solidarity, to transformative electoral politics and guaranteed income schemes. In addition to serving as the President of the Center for Community Change Action, the Vice President of the Center for Community Change, and the Co-Chair of the Economic Security Project, Dorian is also a fellow at the Roosevelt Institute and the co-author of The Hidden Rules of Race: Barriers to an Inclusive Economy. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast via iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, Stitcher Radio, or RSS. Transcripts of all Next System Podcast episodes are available at www.thenextsystem.org.

Mar 26, 2018 • 42min
Ep. 19: Extraction & Resilience in Appalachia (W/ Elizabeth Catte)
This week we're talking with Elizabeth Catte, author of What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia. The book focuses on how narratives have been constructed to explain the region's poverty and how those narratives fail to serve Appalachia's people. Transcripts for all episodes are made available at www.thenextsystem.org.