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American politics is undergoing seismic changes that will alter the course of history. At Words Matter, we believe that facts, evidence, truth and objective reality are necessary and vital in public discourse. Our hosts and guests have broad experience in government, politics and journalism -- this gives them a unique ability to explain recent events and place them in historic context. Together, with fellow journalists, elected officials, policy-makers and thought-leaders, they will analyze the week's news and get at the real truth behind all the distracting headlines.
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Jan 28, 2026 • 46min
Don't Believe the BS That Trump & His Goons Are Changing Tactics
Alex Pretti was murdered by ICE agents in Minneapolis. Where is the accountability? The Republican Party appears more concerned with public relations than addressing the violence and intimidation of MAGA. What path forward do we have? Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf discuss all this and more. Tune in here.
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Jan 22, 2026 • 41min
The One Big Thing We Need to Do to Save the Country
If Donald Trump is right about one thing, it’s that “we’ve never seen anything like this.” From the disastrous alienation of our NATO allies over Greenland, to his actions in Venezuela and Jack Smith’s congressional testimony against Trump, our political situation is at an all-time low. How do we save our country? How do we fight back against the evils of the Trump regime? Tune in as Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf address the current political situation and our future.
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Jan 15, 2026 • 43min
The Steps We Must Take to Stop Trump's American Gestapo
Tensions rise as Donald Trump threatens to invoke the Insurrection Act amid protests in Minneapolis. The hosts debate whether these events qualify as insurrection and consider the chilling implications for civil liberties. There are concerns about Trump potentially suspending elections or declaring martial law to cling to power. They liken ICE's tactics to those of a Gestapo, highlighting legal issues surrounding federal immigration enforcement. The conversation shifts to the GOP's reluctance to confront Trump and explores state and local responses to federal overreach.

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Jan 9, 2026 • 36min
We Are Living in a Horror Movie...and the Monsters are in Charge
A tragic killing by an ICE officer sparks a fierce critique of the agency's militarization and lack of accountability. The discussion highlights how political leaders defend violence against protesters and the historical pattern of abuse within ICE. Urging active protest, the hosts call for stronger actions against authoritarianism and the necessity of impeachment as a tool for accountability. They emphasize the risks of remaining silent and the long-term stakes for the upcoming elections, ending with a note of cautious hope for change.

Dec 23, 2025 • 38min
In Search of Optimism About 2026
It’s been a disastrous year in American politics. Donald Trump is going around naming everything after himself and proclaiming everything is great while the economic realities for millions of Americans continue to sour. Is there anything to be optimistic about as we approach 2026? David Rothkopf and Norm Ornstein take stock of our current situation and look forward to the new year.
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Dec 18, 2025 • 48min
Reflecting on Rob Reiner and his Legacy
Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle were tragically murdered. Their son, who has history of struggles with addition and mental health, is currently the lead suspect. Across the country, mental health issues have and continue be poorly treated and often stigmatized, when we desperately need compassionate policy reform. On this week’s episode of Words Matter, Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf discuss Rob Reiner’s artistic and social justice legacy, the inadequacies of our nation’s mental health policies, and how we can address political reform.
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Dec 11, 2025 • 44min
MAGApocalypse Now
The Republican Senate just voted against extending the Affordable Care Act. Twenty million people could lose their healthcare coverage soon, and the Republicans have yet to present a viable healthcare plan. Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf discuss this MAGApocalypse, the GOP implosion, and the dangerous consequences of a lame-duck Trump.
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Dec 4, 2025 • 44min
MAGA is Coming Apart at the Seams
The podcast delves into the surprising Republican victory in Tennessee and its implications for the GOP's future. Discussion includes the frail state of GOP leadership, infighting, and Marjorie Taylor Greene's departure. The hosts analyze the increasing corruption within MAGA, highlight the military's concerns over a controversial figure, and critique media double standards in covering corruption. They connect the dots between tax cuts, governmental contracts, and the erosion of public accountability, raising alarms about national security risks.

Nov 26, 2025 • 39min
A Curmudgeon's Guide to What to Be Thankful For
As we approach Thanksgiving in our current political climate, Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf ask - what is there to be thankful for? Donald Trump’s influence appears to be waning and Democratic leaders have started to push back on Republican policies in significant ways, yet there are many major challenges that remain. Tune in as Norm and David attempt to find thankfulness in the midst of political chaos.
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Nov 20, 2025 • 44min
How Much Worse Can It Get? (Spoiler Alert: Way Worse)
Norm Ornstein, a seasoned political analyst, joins David Rothkopf to dissect the alarming state of democracy as Donald Trump calls for extreme political violence against his opponents. They discuss the implications of Trump's rhetoric, the rise of militias, and potential threats of martial law. Ornstein warns of the Supreme Court's role in enabling presidential immunity, while the duo examines the Republican Party's responses and the escalating dangers as Trump's fortunes fade. Their conversation exposes the risks facing democratic norms in these turbulent times.


