
The Sound of Economics
The Sound of Economics brings you insights, debates, and research-based discussions on economic policy in Europe and beyond.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
Latest episodes

Sep 13, 2023 • 56min
Assessing the State of the Union 2023
On 13 September 2023, Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, delivered this year’s State of the Union address before the European Parliament. This is the last address of her current mandate. In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Giuseppe Porcaro hosts André Sapir, Simone Tagliapietra and Jeromin Zettelmeyer to evaluate von der Leyen’s address regarding the European Green Deal, industrial policy, economic security, Ukraine and more.

Sep 7, 2023 • 33min
Assessing the risks and prospects of European banking system
European banking supervision has developed and matured by moving from being predominantly rules-based and heavily codified, to becoming more risk-focused and adaptable to rapidly changing economic circumstances.
Backstage at the Bruegel Annual Meetings 2023, Giuseppe Porcaro and Nicolas Véron speak with Sharon Donnery, Deputy Governor, Central Bank of Ireland, to discuss the evolution of European banking supervision, the increasingly central role of risk assessment, as well as the prospects for the near future.

Aug 31, 2023 • 25min
What to expect from the BRICS expansion
This podcast episode discusses the recent expansion of the BRICS group and its implications on the global economic and geopolitical landscape. Topics covered include China's efforts to reshape the group, the proposal to reform the G7, the shift in China's objectives, the potential of digital currencies, and the changing composition of BRICS.

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Aug 30, 2023 • 36min
The story of China’s electric vehicle industry
China's rise in the global Electric Vehicle (EV) industry is explored, discussing its market dominance, battery technology, and geopolitical implications. The challenges Europe faces in transitioning to EVs and the obstacles for Chinese auto brands expanding beyond the domestic market are also discussed. Geopolitical rivalry and the need for a resilient and diversified supply chain in the EV industry are highlighted.

Aug 22, 2023 • 26min
Artificial Intelligence in defence, diplomacy, and decision-making
The podcast delves into the evolving role of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in defense, highlighting its impact on international balance of power and foreign policy decision-making. It emphasizes the need for balanced human judgment and responsible AI integration. The chapters explore various aspects of military AI, including ethical considerations, risk mitigation, international cooperation, and the potential transformation of geopolitical decision-making.

Aug 16, 2023 • 25min
Why do employers want employees back in the office?
The podcast explores employers' perspectives on bringing employees back to the office after the COVID-19 pandemic. Topics covered include reasons for wanting employees back in the office, the impact of remote work on employee performance and organizational culture, fears of managers regarding monitoring remote employees, effects of digital monitoring tools, opportunities and risks of remote and hybrid work, and managing diversity in remote and hybrid work.

Aug 9, 2023 • 52min
Read with Bruegel: Central Banking before 1800: A Rehabilitation
The Sound of Economics is bringing you a summer 2023 special series, 'Read with Bruegel.' In this series, we have the pleasure of hosting renowned authors who will discuss various economic issues based on their insightful books. We hope this conversation will inspire you to explore their books and offer you some food for thought during your summer break.
In this episode of the series, Nicolas Véron welcomes Ulrich Bindseil to discuss his latest book ‘Central Banking before 1800: A Rehabilitation’.
Véron and Bindeil ponder the definition of central banking, whilst analysing pre-1800 central banking and the role of numerous other institutions across the European continent. They discuss the long and colourful history of central banking before 1800, from which important lessons for today's debates can be drawn.

Aug 2, 2023 • 41min
Read with Bruegel: The New Map: Energy, Climate, and the Clash of Nations
The Sound of Economics is bringing you a summer 2023 special series, 'Read with Bruegel.' In this series, we have the pleasure of hosting renowned authors who will discuss various economic issues based on their insightful books. We hope this conversation will inspire you to explore their books and offer you some food for thought during your summer break.
In this episode of the series, Simone Tagliapietra welcomes Daniel Yergin to discuss his book ‘The New Map: Energy, Climate, and the Clash of Nations’.
The global energy order is being shaken by climate change, the COVID-19 pandemic, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the rising tension between the West and China over critical raw materials. The discussants explore how these developments shape global supply chains, international co-operation and the course of technological advancement. They delve into what energy security might entail in different parts of the world and how varying national priorities can influence the speed of the green transition.

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Jul 26, 2023 • 44min
Read with Bruegel: Backfire: How Sanctions Reshape the World Against U.S. Interests
The Sound of Economics is bringing you a summer 2023 special series, 'Read with Bruegel.' In this series, we have the pleasure of hosting renowned authors who will discuss various economic issues based on their insightful books. We hope this conversation will inspire you to explore their books and offer you some food for thought during your summer break.
In this episode of the series, Bruegel Senior fellow Maria Demertzis welcomes Agathe Demarais, Global forecasting director, Economist Intelligence Unit, to discuss her latest book ‘Backfire: How Sanctions Reshape the World Against U.S. Interests’.
From Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to Iran’s COVID response and China’s cryptocurrency ambitions, they discuss how sanctions are transforming geopolitics and the global economy—as well as diminishing U.S. influence. They also exchange views on global fragmentation and how to save multilateralism and cooperation.

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Jul 19, 2023 • 18min
Assessing China's quest for innovation
The Chinese economy is at a crossroads. The investment-driven growth model, which the government had relied on for the last four decades, is running out of steam. Fiscal deficits are widening and public debt is rising. Furthermore, population aging is becoming more visible and the pandemic had some scarring effects which have taken a toll both on consumer and business confidence.
The very rapid rise in wages since the global financial crisis is pushing China to get ahead in its production capabilities so it will be productive enough to continue to raise wages and avoid the middle-income trap. Pressure on the economy is further intensified by the recent increase in geopolitical tensions and fears of decoupling between the US and China.
As the Chinese economy continues to decelerate, the central government is investing heavily in innovation, doubling down on research and development (R&D) spending and STEM-oriented human capital.
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Giuseppe Porcaro invites Alicia García-Herrero and Robin Schindowski to discuss the challenges China faces, including three potential bottlenecks that might be hindering the translation of China’s innovation efforts into productivity growth, with a specific focus on whether Chinese growth can defy gravity.
Relevant publication
Schindowski, R. and A. Garcia-Herrero (2023) ‘China’s quest for innovation: progress and bottlenecks', Working Paper 08/2023, Bruegel
Garcia-Herrero, A. (2023) ‘Can Chinese growth defy gravity?’ Policy Brief 14/2023, Bruegel
This episode is part of the ZhōngHuá Mundus series of The Sound of Economics. ZhōngHuá Mundus is a newsletter by Bruegel, bringing you monthly analysis of China in the world, as seen from Europe. Sign up now to receive it in your mailbox!
This is an output of China Horizons, Bruegel's contribution in the project Dealing with a resurgent China (DWARC). This project has received funding from the European Union’s HORIZON Research and Innovation Actions under grant agreement No. 101061700.
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