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Bruegel
The Sound of Economics brings you insights, debates, and research-based discussions on economic policy in Europe and beyond.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
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Sep 25, 2018 • 25min
S5 Ep6: Backstage: Brexit consequences for EU’s ICT policy
Bruegel senior fellow Scott Marcus welcomes former European Regulators Group chairman Kip Meek to explore the consequences of Brexit for ICT policy-making in Europe.
The divorce of the UK from the European Union will have far-reaching consequences for all sectors, but what will be the balance of continuity and disruption in the sphere of ICT regulation?
With the terms of separation and the nature of the UK’s future relationship with the EU yet to be finalised, there are still many variables that could affect the final outlook. Nevertheless, we can explore the industry’s broader regulatory inclinations, as well as the areas that are most vulnerable to any serious disruption.
Reflecting on the most essential problems that Brexit will pose to the ICT industry, Bruegel senior fellow J. Scott Marcus is joined in conversation by Kip Meek, former chairman of the European Regulators Group.
For further reading, we recommend a blog post written by Scott Marcus on the question of whether mobile roaming arrangements can be maintained between the UK and EU post-Brexit.
Kip Meek appeared as a panellist at an International telecommunications Society conference in Trento, Italy in August 2018, in a session moderated by Scott Marcus.

Sep 20, 2018 • 34min
S5 Ep5: Backstage: Developing the EU-China relationship amid rising global trade tensions
Following a conference at Bruegel, at a critical moment for the global economic system, Bruegel director Guntram Wolff is joined by Zhang Weiwei, director at The China Institute of Fudan University, together with Bruegel senior fellow Alicia García-Herrero, for a discussion of EU-China trade relations.
With the United States pursuing a policy of imposing trade tariffs on its international partners, the geopolitical landscape is poised for change. What room is there, then, for closer economic ties between China and Europe in a world where a multilateral trading system cannot be taken for granted?
There are many points, political and economic, on which European and Chinese approaches diverge; nevertheless, there remains the opportunity to focus on common ground, establish a more mutually beneficial relationship, while also standing up for the multilateral system.
US trade tariffs have driven China and Europe together more quickly than they might have met otherwise. How prepared China and Europe actually are for building closer ties remains an essential debate. This conversation assesses what problems still prevent a smoother integration of interests in both the Chinese and the European spheres.
We invite you to peruse the audio and video recordings of our sessions from the event, ‘Perils and potential: China-US-EU trade relations’, where Bruegel welcomed a number of Chinese and EU trade experts.
For further reading, consider the Bruegel research paper looking into European and Chinese trade competition in Latin America, written by Alicia García-Herrero with Thibault Marbach and Jianwei Xu.
Also note our blog post analysing data on bilateral trade, services, investment and protectionism between Asia, Europe and the US in recent years, determining whether the nature of the global economy is Transatlantic, Transpacific or Eurasian.

Sep 14, 2018 • 19min
S5 Ep4: Director’s Cut: Europe’s migration policy challenge
Immigration is one of the most contentious policy matters currently facing the EU. In this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’ Bruegel director Guntram Wolff welcomes Ana Palacio, member of the Spanish council of state and former foreign affairs minister, as well as Bruegel visiting fellow Elina Ribakova for a constructive discussion as to which approaches will yield the best results.
Joining Bruegel director Guntram Wolff for this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’ is Ana Palacio, member of the Spanish council of state and former foreign affairs minister, and Elina Ribakova, Bruegel visiting fellow at Bruegel, to discuss the exact nature of the migration challenges currently troubling the EU.
Previous agreement upon the creation of disembarkation centres on the north African coast constitutes only a policy step rather than a resolution. Still very little has been done to draw up a common European migration policy and consensus remains difficult while
Member States continue to operate their own independent, broadly disparate policies.
Separating the concept of migration and refugees is also key to improving the general understanding of the challenges; likewise, being clear that the number of arrivals in the EU is now significantly lower than in 2015.
There is also progress to be made in accepting that integration is a two-way street, and that legitimate concerns should not be written off without a hearing.
For further reading, consider the Bruegel Blueprint publication ‘People on the move: migration and mobility in the European Union’, which contains a wealth of research on the various challenges that immigration poses to Europe’s policymakers.
Also recommended is this blog post by Zsolt Darvas which illustrates that Europe’s population growth would now be negative if it were not for the inflow of immigrants.

Sep 4, 2018 • 14min
S5 Ep3: Backstage: Next steps towards banking and capital markets union in Europe
In the first episode of the new Backstage series on ‘The Sound of Economics’, Bruegel senior fellow Nicolas Véron takes time out from the Bruegel Annual Meetings to discuss the immediate future of European banking and capital markets union with Jörg Kukies, state secretary at the German ministry of finance.
The euro-area reform agenda hopes to prevent the repetition of problems that arose during the crisis at the beginning of this decade – to provide better protection for taxpayers and depositors and to avoid any perception of privilege for the banks of one country over those of another. Although there appears to be consensus on the necessity of completing banking union, the question remains open as to which elements are still missing.
On the matter of capital markets union (CMU), though the current European Commission has given great emphasis to progressing with the project, we are still quite far from consensus on the exact shape that a more integrated supervisory framework should take.
This discussion gets into the details of the immediate challenges and the particular sticking points in negotiations over banking and capital markets union.
For further reading, consider the Policy Contribution on making a reality of Europe’s capital markets union, co-written by Nicolas Véron, André Sapir and Guntram Wolff. Meanwhile, in a previous edition of the Director’s Cut podcast, Nicolas Véron discusses the importance of developing deposit insurance as a part of Europe’s broader banking union aspirations.

Aug 31, 2018 • 14min
S5 Ep2: Deep Focus: How healthcare affects the macroeconomy
Bruegel senior fellow Zsolt Darvas joins Sean Gibson on ‘The Sound of Economics’ to expound on the themes of a Policy Contribution on the macroeconomic implications of healthcare systems, which he has co-written with Nicolas Moës, Yana Myachenkova and David Pichler.
This episode is the first in a new Bruegel podcast series, ‘Deep Focus’, looking specifically at Bruegel research and elaborating on the insights contained therein, in conversation with the authors.
The effects that healthcare systems can impose upon economies are pronounced and far-reaching. The health sector alone accounts for a significant portion of output and employment in the EU, even before we look at the pharmaceutical companies conducting research and development towards healthcare. From a fiscal point of view, health is one of the most expensive items on a government’s list of expenses.
In this analysis, the scholars measured the efficiency of each EU healthcare system – and of several from beyond the EU’s borders. The results illustrate that improving healthcare outcomes is not as simple as investing more and more money in the system. In this podcast, we discuss some of the areas where real differences can be made both to the health of the general public and to the cost incumbent upon governments.
For further reading, consider our blog post digging into the details of the ongoing lack of German public investment, written by Alexander Roth and Guntram Wolff.

Aug 24, 2018 • 35min
S5 Ep1: Director's Cut - The extent of Turkey's crisis
Bruegel director Guntram Wolff welcomes Brad Setser, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and Jean Pisani-Ferry, mercator senior fellow at Bruegel, to discuss the deterioration of Turkey's economy.
Although a recent souring of relations with the US has provided the immediate prompt for Turkey's current crisis, the country's underlying economic malaise is more deeply rooted.
Headlines have tracked the plummeting value of the lira, while the trust of external investors has been challenged by recent policy decisions. Though Turkey's case bears some of the hallmarks of a textbook emerging-market meltdown, there are key divergences. Meanwhile, President Erdogan's previous refutation of IMF policy recommendation does not bode well for potential assistance in the event that Turkey needs help brokering extension agreements with its creditors.
In conversation with Brad Setser, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and Jean Pisani-Ferry, Mercator senior fellow at Bruegel, Guntram Wolff assesses not only the nature of the crisis in Turkey but how the country might navigate its way back to safer economic waters.
For further reading, consider the recent blog post written by Grégory Claeys and Guntram Wolff discussing how the EU might respond to the currency crisis unfolding in Turkey, including options for the EU to help Turkey in the absence of any agreed IMF assistance programme.

Jul 11, 2018 • 21min
S4 Ep25: Italy's economic and political outlook
More than two months after the Italian elections and its turbulent political negotiations, Italy finally has a new government. While this has had a calming effect on the financial markets, Italy's medium and long term economic outlook is yet to be determined. Bruegel affiliate fellow, Silvia Merler, is joined by Marcello Minenna, PhD lecturer at the London Graduate School and Head of Quants at Consob, and Lorenzo Codogno, LSE visiting professor, to examine the different ways the country can move forward.
Starting off this Sound of Economics, Silvia examines the new government's policy priorities and discusses the message of uncertainty it sends to financial markets and investors. Indeed, the way in which the government will finance its promises is still uncertain, thus leaving room for unpredictability. In the short and medium term, Lorenzo puts forward the proposal that the new government should tread carefully by introducing policies gradually in order to maintain fiscal stability and discipline.
The three guests address the widely discussed topic of Italy's euroscepticism. Italy's relatively stagnant economic growth over multiple generations is seen as a key factor in the country's present-day skepticism towards the single currency. They agree that, although an 'Italexit' is an unlikely scenario, it is nonetheless an important one to consider. Moreover, Marcello points out that Italy's situation is also a testament to ongoing issues at the European level, requiring a reform of the eurozone's policies and a tough look at its current functioning.

Jun 27, 2018 • 27min
S4 Ep24: Director’s Cut: The drama of the EU and euro area
Bruegel director Guntram Wolff and Ashoka Mody – visiting professor in international economic policy at Princeton University – explore subjects addressed in the latter’s latest book, Euro tragedy: a drama in nine acts.
Kicking off this Director’s Cut of the 'The Sound of Economics', the two explore the historical development behind the EU's creation. Ashoka Mody argues that the adoption of the euro as a single currency has exacerbated economic divergences between EU Member States as some do not have the institutional maturity or capabilities to fully adopt monetary policy measures. Guntram Wolff points out that in the view of Helmut Kohl, the adoption of the euro was a means to further reunite the continent and support peace-building. They also discuss the role of social democracy in the drama on the future of Europe.
The conversation from this episode explores the development of the EU from its early history until its present-day situation. Member States’ commitments to the European project from a political and economic point of view are touched upon, with a particular focus on Germany's role within the whole debate. For a more in-depth discussion on the subject, be sure to play back the full recording of the Bruegel event chaired by Maria Demertzis and featuring Ashoka Mody and Guntram Wolff.

Jun 19, 2018 • 16min
S4 Ep23: Director’s Cut: Making Europe financially literate
According to Annamaria Lusadi, academic director at the Global Financial Literacy Excellence Center, financial literacy requires both a knowledge of financial concepts and the confidence to make effective financial decisions in order to maximise one's well-being.
Financial literacy is not only limited to knowledge of monetary calculations, but is also measured by the extent to which individuals understand their financial rights and obligations, in addition to their ability to educate themselves on financial matters.
People are increasingly expected to have the appropriate skills to manage their own financial decisions; however, the rapidly shifting financial environment often proves to be extremely complex to understand and, thus, leaves many with poor financial literacy abilities. The young, the elderly, women, and people with low-education levels are particularly susceptible to the negatives effects of low financial literacy. The consequences of the situation are harmful both for the individual and at a national level.
Just as reading and writing skills are a part of the educational curriculum, Annamaria Lusadi believes that financial literacy courses should now be a requisite part of school programmes. Moreover, the adult population should also have access to workplace and public financial education programmes. All in all, good financial literacy skills have long-term beneficial effects; sound financial decisions take today's resources and invest them in the future. As a result, policy-makers should redouble their efforts in this area.
Maria Demertzis has co-authored a Bruegel Policy Contribution with Uuriintuya Batsaikhan on financial literacy and inclusive growth in the European Union.
Annamaria Lusardi previously made a presentation at the Bruegel event, ‘The importance of being financially literate’.

Jun 5, 2018 • 23min
S4 Ep22: Director's Cut: Central banking and the problem of unelected power
Paul Tucker, former deputy governor of the Bank of England, joins Bruegel director Guntram Wolff to discuss the thesis of his new book, as well as the current tensions within current models of central banking governance.
On the agenda is the contention that there is, and even should be, a limit to the level of responsibility that a central bank can reasonably be expected to shoulder. Some decisions have such far-reaching consequences that we might prefer they be made by elected, rather than appointed, officials.
Paul Tucker presented his book in an event at Bruegel in May 2018, with Bruegel deputy director Maria Demertzis hosting a debate between Paul Tucker, Joanne Kellermann, former member of the Single Resolution Board, and Jean Pisani-Ferry, mercator senior fellow at Bruegel.
For further reading, consider 'Central Banking in Turbulent Times' - a book co-written by Bruegel senior fellow Francesco Papadia with Tuomas Valimaki, launched at a Bruegel event in April 2018.
Additionally, we recommend reading Silvia Merler's collation of economists' opinions on the current state of central banking in an age of populist politics.


