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The Sound of Economics brings you insights, debates, and research-based discussions on economic policy in Europe and beyond.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
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Jul 23, 2025 • 37min
Rebuilding Ukraine: international support, defence and recovery
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, host Rebecca Christie is joined by Simon O’Connor, head of the secretariat for the Ukraine Donor Platform, along with Tyson Barker (Atlantic Council) and Bruegel’s Elina Ribakova.
The guests discuss the challenges of financing reconstruction while the war is ongoing, the role of the defence industrial base, and Ukraine’s growing strategic importance to European defence. They also examine Ukraine’s evolving partnership with the U.S., the future of reconstruction efforts, and the importance of reform and anti-corruption in long-term planning. With the Ukraine Donor Platform helping to coordinate financial support, speakers highlight the delicate balance between urgent wartime needs and planning for a resilient, post-war economy.
Relevant research:
Ukraine Donor Platform meetings in Rome, 9-10 July, 2025
Strategic lessons from Ukraine for strengthening European security — KSE Institute report
Charting a Path Forward for the U.S.-Ukraine Minerals Deal

Jul 16, 2025 • 44min
Where do insurance firms and pension funds invest?
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, host Rebecca Christie discusses how insurance funds invest in the global economy with Patrick Hoedjes, Head of Policy and Supervisory Convergence Department of the European Insurance and Occupational Pensions Authority (EIOPA), and Bruegel’s Jesper Berg, Marie-Sophie Lappe and David Pinkus. Where is the money going? What role does European policy play? How can we make sure citizens understand their options and have confidence in the system? They also discuss new research on how much insurance company and pension fund investments stay in Europe, a key question in the EU capital markets debate.
The discussion is based on an upcoming Bruegel Policy Brief written by Marie-Sophie Lappe and David Pinkus.

Jul 9, 2025 • 41min
Greening global industry: clean energy, trade and development
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, host Rebecca Christie is joined by Bruegel’s Director Jeromin Zettelmeyer and Affiliate Fellow Ben McWilliams to discuss new research on climate action and international cooperation. They present their chapter in the Paris Report 3, exploring the decarbonisation of energy-intensive industries, the design of the Clean Industrial Deal, and relatively high energy costs. They discuss how the EU could work in partnership with developing countries to achieve efficient global industrial decarbonisation.
Bruegel has released two Policy Briefs which feature in the Paris Report 3: Global Action Without Global Governance: Building coalitions for climate transition and nature restoration, a joint initiative by Bruegel and CEPR (Pisani-Ferry et al, 2025). This year’s focus is on accelerating the energy transition and restoring nature in emerging and developing economies.
Relevant research:
McWilliams, B., S. Tagliapietra and J. Zettelmeyer (2025) ‘Reconciling the European Union’s clean industrialisation goals with those of the Global South’, Policy Brief 18/2025, Bruegel
Pisani-Ferry, J., B. Weder di Mauro and J. Zettelmeyer (2025) ‘Building coalitions for climate transition and nature restoration’, Policy Brief 17/2025, Bruegel
CEPR (2025) Paris Report 3: Global Action Without Global Governance: Building coalitions for climate transition and nature restoration, Centre for Economic Policy Research, available at https://cepr.org/publications/books-and-reports/paris-report-3-global-action-without-global-governance-building

Jul 2, 2025 • 39min
The EU’s capital markets quest
In this discussion, Nicolas Véron, a senior fellow at Bruegel with a focus on financial regulation, and Enrico Letta, former Italian Prime Minister and proponent of EU integration, dive into the future of the EU's capital markets. They explore how establishing a single capital markets supervisor could enhance competitiveness and safety in Europe's economy. The duo emphasizes the importance of streamlining the European Securities and Markets Authority and moving away from national silos to unleash the potential of financial services across member states.

Jun 25, 2025 • 45min
How do China, the US, and the EU fare in critical technologies?
Critical technologies including artificial intelligence, semiconductors and quantum computing are gaining increasing attention due to their strategic importance and indispensable role in national security. In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan invites Alicia García-Herrero and Claudio Feijóo to look into how the world’s three leading global economies, China, the US and the EU, are advancing in these cutting-edge sectors. Which economies are leading in specific subfields? How quickly are these technologies being translated into real-world applications?
Relevant publications:
García-Herrero, A., M. Krystyanczuk and R. Schindowski (2025) ‘Radical novelties in critical technologies and spillovers: how do China, the US and the EU fare?’, Working Paper 07/2025, Bruegel
García-Herrero, A., M. Krystyanczuk and R. Schindowski (2025) ‘Which companies are ahead in frontier innovation on critical technologies? Comparing China, the European Union and the United States’, Working Paper 08/2025, Bruegel
This episode is part of the ZhōngHuá Mundus series of The Sound of Economics. ZhōngHuá Mundus is a newsletter by Bruegel, bringing you monthly analysis of China in the world, as seen from Europe. Sign up now to receive it in your mailbox!

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Jun 18, 2025 • 49min
Digital euro: why now and what's next
Piero Cipollone, an Executive Board member at the European Central Bank, and Pablo Hernández de Cos, a Bruegel Senior Fellow, dive into the intricacies of the digital euro. They discuss its necessity in the EU, exploring financial stability, holding limits, and the legislative journey since June 2023. The conversation highlights how conditional payments could revolutionize transactions and emphasizes the balance between public and private money. Listeners gain insights into the potential impact of Central Bank Digital Currencies on the future financial landscape.

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Jun 11, 2025 • 57min
Fighting poverty, creating jobs: how development finance helps
Alfonso García Mora, VP at the International Finance Corporation, and Jeromin Zettelmeyer, Director at Bruegel, delve into the pivotal role of development finance in combating poverty and fostering job creation. They discuss the shift from traditional aid to innovative financing strategies like blended finance, emphasizing its potential in countries like Ukraine. The guests explore global finance trends, the importance of effective partnerships, and how understanding default rates can reshape investment perceptions in emerging markets. It's a fascinating look at the intersection of finance and social responsibility.

Jun 4, 2025 • 41min
Defence and climate: is a common agenda possible?
How Europe’s defence sector can align to climate goals without compromising security needs
In this episode of the Sound of Economics, we look at the present and future efforts of the defence sector to integrate climate sustainability. Host Rebecca Christie is joined by Bruegel's Simone Tagliapietra and Kädi Ristkok, Executive Director of Cleantech for Baltics. Together, they explore the challenges and practical steps to decarbonise defence. What are the key policy actions needed at the European level?
Relevant research:
Ristkok, K. and L. Balciume (2025), 'Cleantech for Defence, Security and Resilience', White paper, Cleantech for Baltics
Tagliapietra, S. (2025), ‘Defence and climate: seven points for a common agenda', Analysis, Bruegel

May 26, 2025 • 33min
EU-UK trade and the Trump effect
Ignacio García Bercero, a trade policy expert at Bruegel and former European Commission official, and Heather Grabbe, also from Bruegel, specializing in EU-UK relations, discuss the implications of the recent EU-UK summit. They analyze the challenges and prospects of post-Brexit trade ties and the impact of U.S. tariffs under Trump. Exciting topics include new agreements in energy, fishing, and youth mobility, along with innovative carbon pricing strategies, highlighting the necessity for cooperative approaches amidst shifting geopolitical landscapes.

May 22, 2025 • 49min
China's presence in the Eastern Mediterranean
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan sits down with Bruegel’s own Alicia García-Herrero and Plamen Tonchev, Head of Asia Unit at the Athens- based Institute of International Economic Relations (IIER), to dive into China's economic presence in the Eastern Mediterranean, a region that we have not covered much before in terms of its relations with China. The conversation delves into the geostrategic importance of the region and China’s highly tailored approach to individual countries, including Egypt, Türkiye, Israel, Greece, and Cyprus. What lessons can the EU draw from China’s engagement in this pivotal area?
This episode is part of the ZhōngHuá Mundus series of The Sound of Economics. ZhōngHuá Mundus is a newsletter by Bruegel, bringing you monthly analysis of China in the world, as seen from Europe. Sign up now to receive it in your mailbox!
Read more about Sino-Cypriot relations in Plamen Tonchev's paper, More Than Meets The Eye: Behind the Façade of Sino-Cypriot Relations.