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The Sound of Economics brings you insights, debates, and research-based discussions on economic policy in Europe and beyond.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
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Oct 22, 2025 • 45min
What are governments buying?
In this episode of the Sound of Economics, host Rebecca Christie sits down with Bruegel’s Marie-Sophie Lappe and Francesco Nicoli, authors of a recent study on green public procurement, as well as Karolis Granickas of the Open Contracting Partnership non-governmental organisation. They discuss how governments decide what to buy, and what European policy can do to make this process work better. Is there a way for this purchasing to advance the climate transition agenda too? How can governments balance price, product choices and the impact on their local economies? How does this fit with the global context and balancing the pros and cons of non-EU products? This podcast aims to demystify the contracting cycle and unpack some of the issues at stake.
Related research:
Lappe, M. and F. Nicoli (2025) ‘Advantages and pitfalls of green public procurement as a European strategic tool’, Working Paper 21/2025, Bruegel
Towards a Green Procurement Union: trade-offs and strategic choices, Bruegel event, 24 September 2025
See Open Contracting Partnership website: https://www.open-contracting.org/what-is-open-contracting/sustainability/

Oct 15, 2025 • 42min
Climate, data and complacency
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, host Rebecca Christie sits down with Bruegel’s Heather Grabbe and Guntram Wolff to talk about the real costs of a changing climate. With all the fuss over how to manage the climate transition, economists may be overlooking the rising expenses of the changes happening now. From the rising cost of insurance to future housing shocks, evolving weather trends and water scarcity mean the world could be facing big hits to productivity and gross domestic product. What will be the scale of the change? What should economists be studying? How should policymakers act? They discuss what happens when these shocks collide and intensify, rather than occurring one at a time, and how the world can respond.
Related research:
Barata da Rocha, M., H. Grabbe and N. Poitiers (2025) ‘Climate risks to global supply chains’, Working Paper 20/2025, Bruegel
Claeys, G., M. Le Mouel, S. Tagliapietra, G.B. Wolff and G. Zachmann (2024) The Macroeconomics of Decarbonisation Implications and Policies, Cambridge University Press

Oct 8, 2025 • 47min
Western Balkan migration: win-win or brain drain?
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie speaks about migration trends in the Western Balkans with Bruegel’s Nina Vujanovic and Nina Ruer, as well as Professor Herbert Brücker from Berlin’s Humboldt University in Germany, Since 2015, workers have been heading to Germany from Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Serbia and Kosovo, aided by a regulation specific to that region. How have those workers assimilated? What has been the effect on the countries they leave behind? Can better policy address youth unemployment and skills shortages? The discussion tackles the data, the outlook and the political context for Germany, the Western Balkan countries and the EU accession process.
Relevant research:
Ruer, N. and N. Vujanović (2025) ‘Migration flows from the Western Balkans to Germany: implications and recommendations’, Working Paper 19/2025, Bruegel
Ruer, N. and N. Vujanović (2025) 'Understanding Serbian youth discontent through the lens of the labour market', Analysis, Bruegel

Oct 1, 2025 • 50min
What should Europe pay for
Zsolt Darvas, a Senior Fellow at Bruegel specializing in EU budget reform, and Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, an expert on European public goods and defense spending, delve into the complexities of the European Commission's budget plan. They discuss the implications of shifting funds towards defense and research while questioning the effectiveness of current agricultural subsidies. The conversation explores how Europe can collectively address pressing issues like support for Ukraine and the challenges of financing public goods, emphasizing the importance of national contributions and the concept of 'own resources.'

Sep 25, 2025 • 27min
China’s race to electrification
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan sits down with Alicia García-Herrero and Ben McWilliams to explore China’s quest for energy self-sufficiency and especially its attempt to become an “electrostate”. Can a country transform its vast energy needs into a strategic advantage; and what does it mean for the world if that country is China? And where does Europe stand in this race?
Relevant research
Alicia García-Herrero and Haoxin Mu, China can decarbonise the world – but even that won’t fix its overcapacity problem, Bruegel Analysis, 25 September 2025
European Clean Tech Tracker, Bruegel dataset, Compiled by Marie Jugé, Ugnė Keliauskaitė, Ben McWilliams and Simone Tagliapietra, last updated 3 September 2025
Heussaff, C. and G. Zachmann (2025) ‘Upgrading Europe’s electricity grid is about more than just money’, Policy Brief 04/2025, Bruegel
How we made it: will China be the first electrostate? Financial Times, 20 May 2025
This episode is part of the ZhōngHuá Mundus series of The Sound of Economics. ZhōngHuá Mundus is a newsletter by Bruegel, bringing you monthly analysis of China in the world, as seen from Europe. Sign up now to receive it in your mailbox!

Sep 17, 2025 • 44min
EU foreign direct investment, explained
Damien Levie, head of the EU's FDI screening unit, and Niclas Poitiers, a researcher at Bruegel, delve into the intricacies of foreign direct investment in Europe. They discuss the EU's strategies for safeguarding itself from non-EU acquisitions, particularly focusing on risks from China and the U.S. The duo explores the need for a harmonized legal framework to streamline assessments and how competition among member states complicates the screening process. The conversation highlights the balancing act between protecting strategic assets and ensuring economic competitiveness.

Sep 10, 2025 • 1h 1min
The Sound of Economics Live: The State of the European Union 2025
In this discussion, Bruegel’s economics experts—Jeromin Zettelmeyer, Simone Tagliapietra, and Reinhilde Veugelers—evaluate Ursula von der Leyen’s recent address on the EU’s future. They probe Europe’s economic vulnerabilities, the urgency for a cohesive Green Deal, and the pressing need for national reforms in housing and pensions. The conversation dives into technology’s role in productivity, challenges in the automotive sector, and the path to financial integration in the EU. They also tackle geopolitical challenges and the push for energy independence amid changing global dynamics.

Sep 4, 2025 • 46min
The ECB is not the Fed
In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie discusses central bank independence and credibility with Francesco Papadia and Lucrezia Reichlin, Bruegel fellows and former top officials at the European Central Bank. As the Federal Reserve comes under increasing political pressure in the U.S., understanding what central banks do and why they are needed is more important than ever. Traditional monetary policy, digital currency, financial supervision and climate-related initiatives all play a role in how central banks operate today.
Relevant research:
Lucrezia Reichlin and Jeromin Zettelmeyer, The European Central Bank must adapt to an environment of inflation volatility, Bruegel Analysis, 12 June 2024
The ECB’s Digital Euro and new operational framework: is there an overlap? Bruegel event, 2 June 2025
Véron, N. (2024) ‘Europe’s banking union at ten: unfinished yet transformative’ Book, Bruegel
Véron, N. (2025) ‘Breaking the deadlock: a single supervisor to unshackle Europe's capital markets union’, Bruegel blueprint series 35, Bruegel

Aug 27, 2025 • 55min
How can the EU get its act together?
Join Jeromin Zettelmeyer, Director at Bruegel, and Jason Furman, former economic adviser to Barack Obama, as they dive into Europe's pivotal role amidst global uncertainty. They discuss the urgent need for the EU to unify resources for economic growth and defense, while overcoming internal barriers. The conversation touches on the implications of U.S. tariffs, the importance of European unity in trade negotiations, and the challenges of climate change, emphasizing the critical reforms needed for a cohesive and resilient Europe.

Aug 20, 2025 • 42min
Disaster risk in euro-area bond markets
In this discussion, Christoph Kaufmann, a Senior Economist at the European Central Bank, and Stavros Zenios from Bruegel analyze the intersection of political instability and investor behavior in euro area bond markets. They illuminate how different investment funds respond to fiscal shocks, revealing 'doom loops' that complicate debt sustainability. The conversation touches on the pressing need for safe assets and proactive policies to mitigate disaster risks, with real-world implications highlighted through examples like the Greek crisis.