

The Pie: An Economics Podcast
Becker Friedman Institute at UChicago
Economists are always talking about The Pie – how it grows and shrinks, how it’s sliced, and who gets the biggest shares. Join host Tess Vigeland as she talks with leading economists from the University of Chicago about their cutting-edge research and key events of the day. Hear how the economic pie is at the heart of issues like the aftermath of a global pandemic, jobs, energy policy, and more.
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Dec 9, 2025 • 51min
Chat2Learn: Using Simple Conversation Prompts to Boost Early Childhood Development
Ariel Kalil, a Professor of Public Policy at the University of Chicago, shares her groundbreaking insights on enhancing early childhood language development. She explores how socioeconomic gaps in language skills impact children and introduces Chat2Learn, a tool that sends playful, open-ended conversation prompts to parents. Ariel highlights the magic of everyday talk, the limits of traditional reading interventions, and the importance of fostering curiosity through richer parent-child interactions. Her innovative approach promises to make a real difference in childhood education.

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Nov 25, 2025 • 57min
Human Capital for Humans: An Accessible Introduction to the Economic Science of People
Pablo Peña, an economist from the University of Chicago and author of Human Capital for Humans, explores the surprising intersections of economics and everyday life. He argues that love is a key driver of economic growth and shares insights on how human capital theory applies to parenting, marriage, and health. Peña emphasizes the importance of parental investment in children and discusses the nuances of altruism versus market behavior. He also touches on how societal changes, like women's workforce entry, reshape economic dynamics in the modern world.

Nov 18, 2025 • 1h 5min
Liberalism and the Great Enrichment: Why Ideas, Not Capital, Made the Modern World
Deirdre McCloskey, an esteemed economist and author of the Bourgeois Trilogy, delves into how the 'equality of permission' revolutionized global income from $2 to $50 per day. She champions the 'bourgeois deal' that celebrates individual creativity and critiques modern economics for oversimplifying human nature. McCloskey contrasts the innovation paths of England and France, advocates for 'humanomics' to incorporate ethics and rhetoric, and discusses the potential of India’s liberalization while warning against statist solutions that stifle growth.

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Nov 11, 2025 • 1h 6min
Economics for Everyone: Teaching the World to Think Like an Economist
Robert Shimer and John List, both esteemed economists from the University of Chicago, discuss their initiative, Economics for Everyone, designed to teach economic reasoning without complex mathematics. They explore innovative teaching methods, using real-world experiments and storytelling to demystify economic concepts. The duo emphasizes the relevance of critical thinking in both everyday decisions and public policy, advocating for wider economic literacy to influence issues from market fairness to policy evaluation. Their approach aims to make economics accessible and engaging for all.

Nov 4, 2025 • 41min
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In this engaging discussion, Michael Greenstone, an economist and director at the University of Chicago's Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth, teams up with Pedram Hassanzadeh, a researcher specializing in AI and weather. They dive into the benefits of AI in creating personalized weather forecasts, particularly for smallholder farmers facing climate challenges. The conversation highlights how modern AI outperforms traditional models, and how accessible forecasting can empower farmers, helping them adapt to climate realities and make informed planting decisions.

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Oct 28, 2025 • 35min
Economic Cheat Codes: How Game Theory Can Help You Win at Work, Love, and Life
Daryl Fairweather, Chief Economist at Redfin and the first Black woman to earn a PhD from UChicago's Economics Department, shares her economic 'cheat codes' for thriving in work and life. She emphasizes understanding negotiation from the other side, leveraging inside and outside options. Daryl explains the importance of perspective in decision-making and offers tips on avoiding biases. With insights on promotions, housing shortages, and personal values, she encourages listeners to align their pursuits with their true interests.

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Oct 21, 2025 • 33min
Moving to Opportunity: Together?
When couples move for work, whose career takes the hit? UChicago economist Matt Notowidigdo discusses research showing that when heterosexual couples relocate, men's incomes increase by 10-15% while women's earnings barely budge, generating earnings gaps that last for years. Plus, couples are more likely to move when the man loses the job compared to the woman.

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Oct 8, 2025 • 1h 46min
The Economics of Early Childhood: Why the First Five Years Matter Most
Nobel laureate James Heckman, a University of Chicago professor renowned for his work on early childhood economics, emphasizes the crucial role of the first five years in brain development. He reveals how low-cost home-visiting programs often yield better outcomes than expensive institutions. Heckman highlights that early skills create pathways for future learning, discusses the long-term health benefits of early interventions, and critiques the current trends in economic research for losing sight of broader implications.

Sep 30, 2025 • 23min
The Law of Unintended Consequences: How Dobbs Changed Contraceptive Choices
Yana Gallen, an assistant professor at the University of Chicago, dives into the impact of the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision on contraceptive choices. She reveals the surprising spikes in long-acting contraceptive methods like IUDs and sterilization following the ruling. Analyzing health insurance data, Yana discusses how young adults saw lasting increases in sterilization. The conversation also tackles broader implications, revealing how policy changes can lead to unexpected shifts in reproductive behavior, while noting that overall fertility impacts may be minor.

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Sep 16, 2025 • 35min
Finding Your Why at Work: The Economics of Purpose
Virginia Minni, an assistant professor at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, explores the impact of personal purpose on workplace motivation. She reveals insights from a trial with 3,000 employees who attended a 'Discover Your Purpose' workshop, highlighting how individual meaning can boost productivity. Minni discusses the surprising benefits, including improved satisfaction and team cohesion, and emphasizes that connecting personal goals to work not only enhances fulfillment but also drives better business outcomes.


