
Rethinking Education
"Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe." (HG Wells)
In this podcast, we take Wells at his word. Hosted by Dr James Mannion and David Cameron, Rethinking Education features long-form conversations with fascinating guests about how we might create a more diverse, intelligent, responsive educational ecosystem that works for *all* young people.
If this sounds interesting to you, welcome to Rethinking Education: Education's Critical Friend: https://rethinking-ed.org/podcast
Latest episodes

Jun 28, 2021 • 44min
S1E22: Fear is the Mind Killer on the 'From Page to Practice' podcast
This is a cross-post of an episode of the podcast 'From Page to Practice', featuring the book Fear is the Mind Killer by Dr James Mannion and Kate McAllister.
The 'From Page to Practice' podcast features audio clips from readers who have translated the ideas from books in their practice. This episode is an international affair, featuring Freya in Italy, Dean and Mark in Shanghai, Caryl in Cambodia and Gina (not sure where in the world she is!)
Enjoy!

Jun 28, 2021 • 2h 33min
Campfire Conversations #006 - Mental health and absenteeism: "Nobody ever asked me what I needed"
Welcome to episode 6 of the Rethinking Education Campfire Conversations. The theme of today’s episode is around supporting children and young people with mental health issues, and with barriers to school attendance more widely.
In this episode, we are joined by:
Fran Morgan - Founder, Square Peg (https://www.teamsquarepeg.org)
Ellie Costello - Director, Square Peg
Lydie (Ellie’s daughter) - age 12
Will Carter - a FullBright Scholar and a PhD student at Berkeley, California who recently appeared on This Morning with Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby in a piece entitled - ‘Boy Who Overcame Severe Dyslexia Now Studying PhD’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnUjgM7Pvk&ab_channel=ThisMorning
Bea Herbert - A psychologist and the founder of States of Mind, an organisation dedicated to providing young people with the psychological skills, knowledge and self awareness that is required for them to thrive in the world (https://www.statesofmind.org)
Lucy Lovett - a college student with an interest in autism and mental health
Anna Allen - a Speech & Language Therapist, and the parent of a child who has struggled with school attendance
Heidi Mavir - an Autistic Parent to an Autistic Teen. Heidi is also a public speaker, activist, advocate and mental health first aider, with a particular interest in supporting families whose children have barriers to education. (https://www.facebook.com/seNDSupport)
Lottie Cooke - young journalist a student and member of Pupil Power
Debra Nelson - Football Beyond Borders - an organisation that uses football to change the lives of young people (https://www.footballbeyondborders.org)
Campfire Conversations are hosted by Dr James Mannion, the Director of Rethinking Education and the host of the Rethinking Education podcast.
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Jun 19, 2021 • 1h 26min
Campfire Conversations #005 - Self-directed learning: "Dare to give young people autonomy"
Episode 5 of Rethinking Education Campfire Conversations, a series of live-streamed, group conversations with people who want to rethink and reform education so as to bring about a more harmonious, less hair-raising state of world affairs.
Today's conversation features:
Naomi Fisher - author of Changing Our Minds: How children can take control of their own learning - https://twitter.com/naomicfisher
Amelia Peterson - co-author of Thrive: The purpose of schools in a changing world - https://twitter.com/AKMPeterson
Naomi Clarke - home educator - https://www.instagram.com/intersectio...
Yumna Hussen - Youth MP for Birmingham. Member of Pupil Power. And former campfire guest! - https://twitter.com/Yumna_Hussen
Asma Maloumi - Member of Pupil Power.
Lox Pratt - Home schooler
Aliyah York - Founder of Pupil Power - https://twitter.com/aliyahiyork
Artemis D. Bear - Freedom to Learn Lead, Phoenix Education and Founder of The Garden (http://www.thegardenbristol.org/) - https://twitter.com/ArtemisDBear
Kate McAllister - Principal, The Hive, Dominican Republic - https://twitter.com/Rethinking_Kate
Rose Arnold - Home educator and editor, Suitable Education - https://suitable-education.uk/
Kath Pratt - Founder, Soweni - https://twitter.com/kathsoweni
James Myklebust-Hampshire - PYPCo and homeroom teacher, Norway - https://twitter.com/MrJames_MH
Dr James Mannion - Director, Rethinking Education - https://twitter.com/RethinkingJames
LINKS:
https://www.big-change.org/about/mission/
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Jun 18, 2021 • 1h 16min
S1E21: Adam Boxer and Tom Sherrington on ‘bad trad and groovy prog’
Welcome to this special, shorter than usual episode of the Rethinking Education podcast featuring my recent conversation with two previous guests - Tom Sherrington and Adam Boxer.
As with so many things these days, this episode came about because of a Twitter exchange I was involved in, in which Adam wrote: “as you know, I accept that there are many "prog" methods that can be excellent. the discussion though is about how easy it is to implement those, and whilst I have seen trad done bad, that's the vanishing minority of trad lessons that I've seen (and I've seen quite a few now). compare that to prog ones, there's a vanishing minority of ones that I've seen where I've thought "yeah that was ace.”
This made me think of a blog that Tom Sherrington once wrote, entitled ‘The groovy prog isn’t the issue; it’s the bad trad”, in which he observes that in the majority of lessons where he has seen a teacher struggling, it’s not because they’re doing progressive stuff that’s ineffective, but because they’re finding it difficult to do the trad stuff - explaining and questioning and providing feedback and whatnot - well.
Which isn’t quite the opposite of what Adam said, but it struck me that at the very least, there’s a conversation to be had here to explore this further. I responded “I’d love to have you and Tom on the podcast sometime to see if we can get to the bottom of this”. To my delight - and slightly to my surprise - they both agreed to take time out of their busy schedules to humour me, and well, here we are.
LINKS:
The Rethinking Education podcast on iTunes - please give us a 5 star review and leave a comment! - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/rethinking-education/id1546512828
Rethinking Education Campfire Conversations (video playlist): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ6mCUmebHJNC-qrWX9gMBCQJtHxoGNh2
Tom’s blog - ‘The groovy prog isn’t the issue: it’s the bad trad’
https://teacherhead.com/2019/11/25/the-groovy-prog-isnt-the-issue-its-the-bad-trad/
The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.
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Jun 11, 2021 • 3h 4min
S1E20: Fran Morgan and Ellie Costello on speaking up for young people who struggle to attend school
In this episode I am joined by Fran Morgan and Ellie Costello from Square Peg, a social enterprise that was set up in 2019 to shine a light on the plight of the many young people who struggle to attend school for various reasons.
Fran and Ellie were inspired to set up Square Peg following their own experiences as parents of young people who have struggled to attend mainstream. As Fran points out in the conversation, one day her daughter refused to go to school, and it was like being plunged into freezing water - total shock, and an increasing awareness that there is scant help for the parents and carers of young people who struggle to go to school for any length of time. Fran and Ellie have since come to realise that the current situation – with school budget cuts, problems in the SEND and mental health systems and increasing anxiety amongst children and young people – means that things are far worse for families today than theft were even ten years ago. Working closely with another organisation, Not Fine In School, Square Peg has achieved an incredible amount in its first year, including appearances on various national television news programmes, articles in the mainstream and education press and questions being asked in parliament.
This is a eye-opening conversation in which we discussed Fran and Ellie’s experiences as parents of young people who were ‘not fine in school’; the jaw-dropping statistics around absenteeism, school refusal and exclusion; and School Differently, a new organisation that Fran and Ellie have set up with Ian Gilbert and others to look at how we might urgently rethink a school system that serves so many young people so poorly.
LINKS:
Square Peg: https://www.teamsquarepeg.org
Poem - https://www.emilyperlkingsley.com/welcome-to-holland
School Utopia - https://www.teamsquarepeg.org/school-differently
Petition: https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/create-a-new-absence-code-for-school-refusal
Book: Changing our minds, by Naomi Fisher: https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/naomi-fisher/changing-our-minds/9781472145505/
Not fine in school Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/NotFineInSchoolPublicPage/
Book - Hey Warrior: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hey-Warrior-Karen-Young/dp/1912678004
Fran Morgan on Channel 4 news: https://www.channel4.com/news/parents-fined-because-their-sen-children-wont-go-to-school
Fran Morgan on BBC Breakfast TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9An8doDKO8&t=3s
School differently: https://www.schooldifferently.net/
The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at https://rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.
You can join the Rethinking Education Mighty Network here: https://rethinking-education.mn.co

Jun 9, 2021 • 1h 23min
Campfire Conversations #004: Pupil Power: "Children are treated like economic commodities"
Episode 4 of Rethinking Education Campfire Conversations, a series of live-streamed, group conversations with people who want to rethink and reform education so as to bring about a more harmonious, less hair-raising state of world affairs.
Today, Dr James Mannion, Kate McAllister, Kath Pratt and Natalie Rothwell-Warn are joined by three young people from Pupil Power - Sephora, 18, Yumna, 16, and Zoya, who is in Year 10.
This is a powerful conversation in which we discuss, among other things: why education can’t simply be reformed; how children are treated as economic commodities - their words, not mine; and in which we pose the question: “What if… schools nurtured young imaginations?”
Here's a link to Yumna's TEDx talk, Re-Imagining Education To Create An Impact In The World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkpeN64AuLU
To view the video version, visit: https://youtu.be/1hEOrzmXWLs
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May 31, 2021 • 2h 60min
S1E19: Tom Sherrington on Rosenshine, behaviour and why we should stop grading schools
Tom Sherrington, a seasoned educator with over 30 years of teaching experience, dives deep into effective instructional strategies and behavior management. He passionately critiques the practice of grading schools, arguing for systemic change to support educators and enhance student outcomes. The conversation also highlights Rosenshine's Principles of Instruction, emphasizing their crucial role in fostering effective teaching. Tom shares insights from his journey, revealing the transformative power of a supportive learning environment in education.

May 22, 2021 • 1h 18min
Campfire Conversations #003: "I am more than a candidate number"
Episode 3 of Rethinking Education Campfire Conversations, a series of live-streamed, group conversations with people who want to rethink and reform education so as to bring about a more harmonious, less hair-raising state of world affairs.
Today's episode features a conversation between James Mannion, Kate McAllister, Aliyah York, Lottie Cooke, Grace McAllister, Lox, Andreas, Olivia, Marcos, Sam and Eddie.
To view the video version, visit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7iOUZRqZWE.
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May 21, 2021 • 2h 29min
S1E18: Kate McAllister, Kath Pratt, Hayley Peacock and Lucy Stephens on opening alternative schools
Today’s show features a conversation with four inspirational women who have taken matters into their own hands and set up alternative schools in recent years - 3 in the UK and one in the Dominican Republic. Avid listeners of the Rethinking Education podcast will probably know that the one in the DR is my good friend, co-author and Learning to Learn copilot Kate McAllister, who featured in Episode 9.
My other 3 guests today are people that I have come to know only very recently, as a result of having set up this podcast. They are Kath Pratt, who has set up an alternative school called Soweni, down on the cliffs of Cornwall; Hayley Peacock, who has set up a proudly progressive private school called Atelier 21, in Crawley; and Lucy Stephens, who has set up a democratic school in Croydon, known as the New School, which is free to attend because it is funded by private philanthropists, rather fascinatingly.
Links:
Soweni: https://www.soweni.com/landing-page
Hive: https://thehive.school/about
Atelier 21: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP80Nt5ynps
New School: https://www.thenewschool.org.uk/
Guardian article about the New School: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/13/a-community-of-equals-the-private-school-with-no-fees-set-up-by-a-south-london-teacher
First Follower: Leadership Lessons from Dancing Guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8amMCVAJQ
Glossary of acronyms:
AP: Alternative provision
IB: International Baccalaureate
PYP: Primary Years Programme
PWC: PricewaterhouseCoopers
SCITT: School-centred Initial Teacher Training
The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.
You can join the Rethinking Education Mighty Network here: rethinking-education.mn.co

May 8, 2021 • 1h 15min
Campfire Conversations #002: The kids are all right
Episode 2 of Rethinking Education Campfire Conversations, a series of live-streamed, group conversations with people who want to rethink and reform education so as to bring about a more harmonious, less hair-raising state of world affairs.
Today's episode features a conversation between James Mannion, Kate McAllister, Kath Pratt, Sarah Fraser, Natalie Rothwell-Warn, and two special guests: Lottie Cooke, a member of Pupil Power, a community of young people who are working together to rethink education from the ground up; and Kulvarn Atwal, the head teacher of two schools in EastLondon, who is doing a really impressive job of reforming education from the top down.
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