

Where Shall We Meet
Omid Ashtari & Natascha McElhone
Explorations of topics about society, culture, arts, technology and science with your hosts Natascha McElhone and Omid Ashtari.The spirit of this podcast is to interview people from all walks of life on different subjects. Our hope is to talk about ideas, divorced from our identities - listening, learning and maybe meeting somewhere in the middle. The perfect audio diet for shallow polymaths!Natascha McElhone is an actor and producer. Omid Ashtari is a tech entrepreneur and angel investor.
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Oct 1, 2025 • 1h 3min
On Friendship with Alain de Botton
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Our guest this week is Alain de Botton. Alain is a London based writer and psychotherapist. His first book, Essays in Love was published when he was 23 years old and went on to sell two million copies. His books emphasise philosophy's relevance to everyday life. Other bestsellers include How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997), Status Anxiety (2004), and The Architecture of Happiness (2006).He’s written 15 books under his name and many more under The School of Life imprint, which have become bestsellers in 30 countries. He is not just a writer, but also an organizer of ideas and institutions.He founded The School Of Life in 2008, which is dedicated to help people lead more emotionally intelligent lives – through classes, books, games, therapy, films, articles, their app, and their podcast. Their website says, everything they do supports self-knowledge, better relationships, and brings calm to modern life.His public profile emphasises his desire to bridge intellectual ideas into a lived experience.We talk about:2 and a half friends is plenty A more rigorous approach to friendshipDifferent types of friends - from the teasing to the mirco Platonic sleepoversOne way friends Enemies of friendship The bravery of being weird Good substitutes for friendsLet’s make friends!Web: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet

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Sep 17, 2025 • 1h 7min
On Moral Ambition with Rutger Bregman
Rutger Bregman, a Dutch historian and bestselling author known for 'Humankind,' dives into the concept of moral ambition. He advocates for blending utopian visions with practical tactics to drive real change. The conversation explores individual versus societal responsibilities, emphasizing that mere decency isn’t enough. Rutger shares insights on the value of tough love in recruitment and how to create winning coalitions for activism. He also discusses accessible pathways for anyone to engage morally ambitious work, like Moral Ambition Circles and free curricula.

Sep 3, 2025 • 59min
On the Future with Howard Covington
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Our guest this week is Howard Covington. Howard is a Cambridge graduate in physics and maths. He has been a banker, a co-founder and chief executive of New Star Asset Management, and a trustee of the Science Museum. He’s also been and chair of the Isaac Newton Institute for Mathematical Sciences at the University of Cambridge, The Alan Turing Institute, ClientEarth, and the Scotia Group.He is the incoming chair of the Smith School of Enterprise and the Environment at the University of Oxford. Howard is a fellow of the Institute of Physics and an honorary fellow of the Isaac Newton Institute and The Alan Turing Institute.We want to a talk Howard gave recently and were very amazed about how many of his predictions have come to pass and therefore left comforted by his positive predictions of the future.We talk about:A quick history of 540 million yearsLiving in the midst of the third Intelligence ExplosionPrinting meat to eatDark factoriesAre robots part of evolutionHow capitalism drives the race to net zeroThe restoration of the planetLet’s gaze into the future!Web: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet

Jun 25, 2025 • 56min
On Death with Paul Bennet
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Paul Bennett is a designer. For 23 years he worked at design and innovation powerhouse IDEO, where he was Chief Creative Officer and then co-CEO. There he was responsible for content excellence across the whole firm, and was active in developing and publishing new thinking in the field of human-centered and design-led innovation.Today, Paul is a Senior Advisor at McKinsey, where he continues to provide creative leadership and cross-pollination of insights and ideas to clients and colleagues on an extended scale by traveling, learning, and working across the globe.Paul has taught and coached students from the Royal College of Art (UK), Stanford University and Columbia Business School. Most recently he has taught on the Masters program at KHiO in Oslo and at Iceland Academy of the Arts in Reykjavík.We talk about:Redesigning deathLosing parentsDigital remains of our livesDeath is a universal market opportunityUsing the full extent of the design space death providesThe pursuit of immortalityEuthanasiaWho matters more the dying or the left behindLet’s design!Web: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet

Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 6min
On Prisons with Carine Minne
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Dr Carine Minne is Consultant Psychiatrist in Forensic Psychotherapy & Psychoanalysis at England’s High Security Hospital, Broadmoor. She was also based at The Portman Clinic, London for three decades - an out-patient psychotherapy clinic for people suffering from problems of violence and sexual paraphilia - both under the NHS public health service.She chairs the International Psychoanalytic Association Violence Committee and is editor-in-chief of the International Journal of Forensic Psychotherapy. She has published widely and lectures nationally and internationally. Her main focus always remains the rehumanising of the dehumanised. She doesn’t believe in innate evil but in evil acts that are carried out, therefore intervention and treatment is always worthwhile. She is speaking personal experience whilst not representing any of the aforementioned organisations.We talk about:Working as a psychotherapist in a high security prisonWhat creates a violent criminalHow childhood trauma causes disinhibitionInterventions during the first 1000 days of lifeComparing reoffending rates in different countriesThe prison industrial complexAsymmetry of empathy for perpetrators and victimsEducation’s impact on recidivisimLet’s investigate!Web: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet

May 28, 2025 • 1h 4min
On Consciousness with Anil Seth
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Our guest today is Anil Seth, Professor of Cognitive and Computational Neuroscience at the University of Sussex, where he is also Director of the Sussex Centre for Consciousness Science. He was the founding Editor-in-Chief of Neuroscience of Consciousness Oxford University Press.Anil is a Clarivate Highly Cited Researcher (2019-2024), which recognizes the top 0.1% of scientists in the world, by the impact of their publications.N - In 2023, he was awarded the Royal Society’s Michael Faraday Prize, which is ‘awarded annually to the scientist or engineer whose expertise in communicating scientific ideas in lay terms is exemplary’.His 2021 book Being You: A New Science of Consciousness was a Sunday Times Top 10 Bestseller, and was Economist, Guardian and FT Science Book of the Year. Anil edited and co-authored the best-selling 30 Second Brain, and also writes the blog NeuroBanter.We talk about:How to define consciousnessWhat it feels like to be a batAre we at the mercy of our brain chemistryThe concept of interoceptionThe white and gold OR the blue and black dressWe predict ourselves into existenceDoes consciousness need a bodyLet’s get our neurons firing!Web: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet

May 14, 2025 • 54min
On Climate Law with Laura Clarke
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Our guest today is Laura Clarke. She is the CEO of ClientEarth. She was recognised as one of the most influential climate business leaders globally in Time magazines top 100 climate list. Her background is in diplomacy and environmental advocacy. Laura was British High Commissioner to New Zealand, Governor of the Pitcairn Islands, High Commissioner to Samoa and has an OBE. Laura holds an MA in German and Russian from Cambridge University and a MSc in International Relations from the London School of Economics.ClientEarth uses the law to hold polluting companies and negligent governments to account for the climate and nature crisis. It is one of the most ambitious environmental organisations that works across boarders, systems and sectors using the law to protect life on Earth. ClientEarth works in over 60 countries with around 140 active cases tackling the most pressing environmental challenges. The impact of this charity’s work goes far beyond the cases that they fight in court but sets standards and creates precedents that lead to wider climate compliance.We talk about:Holding governments to climate laws2 million abandoned oil wellsUsing shareholder interests to companies accountableHolding directors personally liable for climate action not takenChina’s proactive stance on climateHow we can use the law as citizensSuing multinational organisations into climate complianceHow 36 companies are responsible for half the world’s total emissionsLet’s go to courtWeb: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet

Apr 30, 2025 • 1h 34min
On Meditation, Morality & Free Will with Sam Harris
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Our guest today is Sam Harris. Sam is the host of the Making Sense Podcast and an the author of five New York Times best sellers. His books include The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, Waking Up, and Islam and the Future of Tolerance (with Maajid Nawaz). His writing and public lectures cover a wide range of topics—neuroscience, moral philosophy, religion, meditation practice, human violence, rationality—but generally focus on how a growing understanding of ourselves and the world is changing our sense of how we should live.Sam’s work has been published in more than 20 languages and has been discussed in The New York Times, Time, Scientific American, Nature, Rolling Stone, and many other publications. He has written for The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Economist, The Atlantic, Nature, among others. The Making Sense Podcast, which was selected by Apple as one of the “iTunes Best” and has won a Webby Award for best podcast in the Science & Education category.Sam received a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in neuroscience from UCLA. He has also practiced meditation for more than 30 years and has studied with many Tibetan, Indian, Burmese, and Western meditation teachers, both in the United States and abroad. He has created the Waking Up app for anyone who wants to learn to meditate in a modern, scientific context.We talk about:How failing at meditation is the best approachDissolving concepts that are made up by our mindHow to loose your headHis book the Moral LandscapeMoral absolutes versus moral relativismIs adversity is the only path to growthThe illusory distinction between rationality and emotionsHis book Free WillWhether we really know why we change our mindsHow losing a foot might lead to better podcastsAnd a lot moreLet’s meditate!Web: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet

Apr 16, 2025 • 1h
On Overdiagnosis with Suzanne O'Sullivan
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Our guest today is Suzanne O'Sullivan, the author of the book The Age of Diagnosis: Sickness, Health and Why Medicine Has Gone Too Far. Suzanne is a neurologist, clinical neurophysiologist, and writer. She has been a consultant since 2004 and has been at The National Hospital for Neurology and The Epilepsy Society since 2011. Her specialist interests are in epilepsy and in improving services for people who suffer with functional neurological disorders.Suzanne qualified in medicine in 1991 from Trinity College Dublin. In addition to academic publications in her field, she is an author of award-winning non-fiction books, each focusing on her medical casework.Her 2016 book, It's All in Your Head: True Stories of Imaginary Illness, won the Wellcome Book Prize, and the Royal Society of Biology's General Book Prize, for "for an accessible, engaging and informative life sciences book written for a non-specialist audience". Her book, The Sleeping Beauties: And Other Stories of Mystery Illness, was shortlisted for the 2021 Royal Society Science Book Prize.We talk about:Is there an epidemic of overdiagnosisExtending the definitions of disordersThe rise of ADHD and Autism diagnosisThe impact of this on either end of the spectrumHas this had a positive or negative effect on mental healthMedicalising natural mood swings and differencesIllness as identityCancer screening and proactive surgeryLet’s analyseWeb: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet

Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 4min
On Life's Beginnings with Nick Lane
Questions, suggestions, or feedback? Send us a message!Our guest today is Nick Lane, who offers fresh insights on the theories of the origins of life. He is a Professor of Evolutionary Biochemistry in the Department of Genetics, Evolution and Environment at University College London.Nick’s research is on the way that energy flow has shaped evolution over 4 billion years, using a mixture of theoretical and experimental work to address the origin of life, the evolution of complex cells and downright peculiar behaviour such as sex.He has received many awards for his work. Among them the 2015 Biochemical Society Award for his outstanding contribution to molecular life sciences and 2016 Royal Society Michael Faraday Prize and Lecture, the UK’s premier award for excellence in communicating science.Nick is the author of five acclaimed books on evolutionary biochemistry, which have sold more than 150,000 copies worldwide, and been translated into 25 languages.We talk about:How it all began deep in the oceanThe similarity between a cell and the planetIs the earth only a giant batteryHow there are no clear definitions of what life isHow cloning is boring and sex creates differenceThe innovation of multi- over single cell lifeHow Genes shouldn’t be in the limelight, while chemistry is doing all the workThe three domains of lifeLet’s go back to the beginning!Web: www.whereshallwemeet.xyzTwitter: @whrshallwemeetInstagram: @whrshallwemeet