
Two by Two
The Two by Two podcast is a premium business podcast from The Ken that investigates, discusses and breaks down the most important business stories around you.
Hosted from The Ken's newsroom by business journalists Rohin Dharmakumar and Praveen Gopal Krishnan, Two by Two will feature guests and experts from across the industry and academia to talk about issues no one else is talking about.
Latest episodes

Sep 19, 2024 • 1h 39min
Health Insurance in India is ripe for disruption
The podcast dives into the rapid growth of individual health insurance in India, revealing a troubling reliance on rising medical costs rather than genuine customer growth. With 70-75% of Indians uninsured, the discussion highlights systemic flaws that favor hospitalization over preventive care. The hosts address the marketing hurdles insurers face, the push for personalized coverage, and the urgent need for reforms. They also explore the tension between short-term profits and innovation, while advocating for a more accessible and customer-centric health insurance market.

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Sep 12, 2024 • 1h 21min
Why couldn't Stripe become the Stripe of India?
Discover why Stripe, a fintech giant, struggled to make an impact in India despite its massive valuation. The discussion highlights the rise of fintech post-demonetization and the innovations that transformed the market. Explore the challenges Stripe faced, including regulatory hurdles and the need for local insights. Compare the agility of startups with the cautious approaches of established firms. Finally, dive into the contrasting journeys of Stripe and its competitors like Razorpay in the evolving payment landscape.

Sep 5, 2024 • 1h 20min
Private coaching is eating away at schooling
In India, private coaching is eclipsing formal schooling, raising alarm bells about educational equity. The traditional pathway from school to college is crumbling, signaling that many students rely on costly coaching to succeed in centralized exams. Experts discuss the disparities this creates, emphasizing the need for reform to level the playing field. The podcast also highlights economic implications and the ethical dilemmas surrounding access to education. Innovative solutions are essential to restore the relevance of public schooling in a rapidly changing educational landscape.

Aug 29, 2024 • 1h 24min
Google Pay: Big. Successful. Vulnerable
Dive into the intriguing dynamics of Google Pay in India, where it holds a significant market share, yet faces growing competition. The discussion reveals its journey from initial hesitation to becoming a UPI leader. Explore the concept of 'trust exit scams' affecting user confidence. Discover the platform's approach to revenue and merchant engagement amidst a shifting landscape. Finally, unpack the evolving relationship between fintech and traditional banking, showcasing the challenges and innovations that define the future of payments.

Aug 22, 2024 • 1h 33min
Is the golden era of the (software) engineer over?
The podcast explores the shifting landscape of software engineering careers amidst the rise of AI. Experts discuss how generative AI is changing the way engineers work, potentially diminishing traditional roles. With AI capable of writing code, there are concerns about the future of engineering. The conversation delves into the need for a multidisciplinary approach in tech, and advocates for reforming engineering education to include humanities, ensuring that future engineers are equipped to tackle ethical challenges.

Aug 15, 2024 • 1h 20min
Swiggy needs to reclaim its past glory
Swiggy's path to reclaiming its crown in the food delivery landscape is fraught with challenges. Once a pioneer in live order tracking, the company now faces fierce competition from rivals like Zomato and Blinkit. As it prepares for an IPO, questions arise about its strategic direction and fragmented app experience. The discussion highlights the importance of strong leadership and product innovation to navigate these turbulent times. How can Swiggy evolve its user experience and confront its rivals head-on?

Aug 8, 2024 • 1h 14min
Delhi pricked the Bengaluru bubble
In a lively discussion, guests reveal the shifting dynamics of India's tech landscape. Bengaluru, once seen as the ultimate startup haven, is challenged by Delhi's rise as a hub for resilient businesses. The differing cultures impact growth strategies and innovation, with Delhi increasingly attracting ambitious entrepreneurs. Lists of successful tech firms illustrate the competitive rivalry, while personal stories highlight the unique experiences within each city's ecosystem. Could the Bangalore bubble be bursting?

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Aug 1, 2024 • 1h 25min
Is Zepto a gold medalist or a bronze medalist?
Explore the meteoric rise of Zepto, a grocery startup making 10-minute deliveries a reality. The hosts discuss how this young company challenged skeptics and traditional retailers alike, redefining consumer habits in India. Dive into the evolution of quick-delivery services, the complexities of Zepto's growth model, and the critical role of common sense in business strategies. Different perspectives on the sustainability of rapid delivery highlight the tensions between consumer demand and venture capital influences in this dynamic market.

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Jul 25, 2024 • 1h 17min
Why has all the excitement and disruption gone out of startups? (Full Episode)
The discussion highlights the fading excitement in the startup world, examining the shift from groundbreaking innovation to trend-chasing. Factors like financial strains and misjudged market potential are explored, revealing how startups have become more corporate. The impact of VC dynamics on business strategies is critiqued, along with the stagnation of consumer tech. Additionally, there's a focus on the importance of long-term thinking, the transformation of entrepreneurial aspirations, and the role of generative AI in shaping future ventures.

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Jul 18, 2024 • 1h 14min
Will Flipkart become PhonePe before PhonePe becomes Flipkart? (Full Episode)
Professor R. Srinivasan and Srikanth Rajagopalan discuss how Flipkart and PhonePe are venturing into new areas to boost revenue. Flipkart aims for success with Supermoney while PhonePe explores hyperlocal delivery with Pincode. Both seek new opportunities in each other's domain due to market limitations and the quest for profitability. The conflict between the two giants is analyzed through a 2x2 matrix, setting the stage for future episodes of investigative business topics.