
The Automated Lawyer
"The Automated Lawyer," hosted by St. Louis attorneys Dan Schnurbusch and John Fritz, is your guide to optimizing legal practice through technology. This podcast focuses on practical tech solutions for lawyers, covering essential topics like CRM systems, communication tools, document automation, and no-code platforms. Dan and John share insights on building effective tech stacks, streamlining operations, and enhancing client experiences. Join them for actionable advice on leveraging technology to practice law more efficiently and enjoyably, regardless of your firm's size or specialty.
Latest episodes

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Jun 13, 2025 • 46min
Data, AI, and Legal Practice: Paul Bamert of Case Status
In this discussion, Paul Bamert, VP of Marketing at Case Status and host of the Ethical-ish podcast, unveils the transformative potential of AI in the legal sector. He highlights how AI can enhance client experiences and streamline workflows while addressing data security and ethical considerations. The conversation also touches on the future of AI tools like ChatGPT and their impact on legal practice efficiency. Listeners gain insights into the balance between automation and the human touch, and the evolving role of technology in legal marketing and client engagement.

May 29, 2025 • 58min
5/29 TAL Podcast - Rachel McGarry
Rachel McGarry, a legal tech consultant from McGarry Law Office, shares her journey from a family-run law firm to her passion for technology in the legal field. She discusses her unique law school experience during the pandemic and the need for better legal tech integration. Rachel highlights the challenges of adopting AI and automation in law practices and offers practical advice on using tools like Clio and Airtable. The conversation also addresses ethical concerns regarding AI use and emphasizes the importance of transparency and efficient client communication.

Apr 18, 2025 • 51min
Agent vs. Human vs. Traditional Automation: Are agents a savior or something more nuanced?
In this episode of the Automated Lawyer Podcast, hosts John Fritz and Dan Schnurbusch discuss the temptations and pitfalls of relying too heavily on technology in legal practices. Topics include the power and limitations of AI, practical applications of automation in law firms, the importance of maintaining a balance between tech and human elements, and strategies for client care and business growth. The duo also explore potential use cases for AI agents in areas such as scheduling, email triage, case management, and KPI analysis. They emphasize the importance of understanding where technology can genuinely add value versus where traditional methods may still hold an advantage.00:00 Agent vs. Human vs. Traditional Automation: Are agents a savior or something more nuanced?00:19 Introduction and Weekend Recap01:15 Gardening Adventures and DIY Projects03:46 The Value of Disconnecting from Technology04:31 Exploring AI Agents in Legal Practice07:52 Practical Applications of AI Agents10:42 Future of AI in Case Management19:03 Balancing Automation and Human Oversight27:21 Balancing Workload and Hiring Decisions29:22 Traditional vs. Automated Law Firm Models31:51 Learning from Non-Tech-Driven Businesses35:11 Exploring Automation Opportunities in Law Firms40:17 The Importance of KPIs and Data Analytics45:45 Tech Tips and Final Thoughts

Mar 31, 2025 • 41min
Leveraging AI for Client Happiness, Team KPIs and Bonuses
In this episode of the Automated Lawyer Podcast, hosts John Fritz and Dan Schnurbusch discuss the importance of balancing automation with human interaction in client experiences for legal practices. They dive into practical applications of AI for improving client communication and operational efficiency while highlighting the risks of over-automation. John and Dan share personal insights, such as the benefits of rapid case filing and the introduction of an automated bonus system for their teams. They also explore the exciting possibilities of AI tools for home design and video generation, emphasizing the need to consider client preferences. Practical tips on optimizing the customer journey through technology are offered, making this episode a must-listen for legal professionals keen on leveraging AI effectively.00:00 Leveraging AI for Client Happiness, Team KPIs and Bonuses01:19 The Role of Automation in Client Experience03:58 Balancing Automation and Human Interaction07:32 Using AI for Client Communication08:50 Organizational Benefits of AI14:22 Case Management and Filing Strategies21:01 Tracking Milestone Revenue and KPIs21:33 Optimizing KPI Dashboards23:21 Revenue Tracking Systems26:29 Bonus Structures and Team Incentives28:52 Automated Bonus Systems34:43 Exploring ChatGPT's New Image Capabilities38:36 Combining AI Tools for Enhanced Marketing40:11 Podcast Conclusion and Community Invitation

Mar 10, 2025 • 43min
The Human Advantage in a World of AI and Automation
Automation and Empathy: The Future Intersection of AI and LawIn this episode of the Automated Lawyer Podcast, hosts John Fritz and Dan Schnurbush delve into the fascinating intersection of artificial intelligence and the legal profession. The discussion covers the benefits and challenges of using AI and automation, the human touch in client services, and improvements in voice AI technology. They introduce a breakthrough project involving AI-based statutory research and debate the future applications of AI agents in legal practice. The hosts also explore the pressures of maintaining client relationships amidst automation and argue for the importance of human empathy in the ever-advancing tech landscape. Closing with insights on valuable tech tools and industry advancements, this episode offers a comprehensive look at how the legal industry can balance innovation with client-focused service.00:00 Introduction to the Automated Lawyer Podcast00:30 Hosts' Personal Updates and Weather Talk03:46 Automating Legal Research with AI07:26 Exploring Advanced Voice AI13:15 The Human Element in AI and Legal Practice18:33 Balancing Client Experience and Profitability19:19 The Power of Client Advocacy21:34 The Role of Client Happiness Director23:15 Human Interaction vs. Automation24:02 The Future of AI in Law Firms31:21 Exploring AI and API Integration37:28 Tech Tips and Tools42:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Feb 7, 2025 • 38min
Law in the Era of Agents - OpenAI Operator and Deep Research in Law Firms
Exploring AI Automation in Legal Practices: Innovations and Practical ApplicationsIn this episode of The Automated Lawyer Podcast, co-hosts John Fritz and Dan Schnirbush delve into the latest advancements in AI automation for legal practices. They discuss the potential impact of automating operator flows and share personal anecdotes about the importance of tools like heated steering wheels and reliable weather. Special attention is given to AI tools from FileVine and OpenAI, detailing their capabilities, limitations, and future improvements. The hosts also highlight the benefits of creating custom GPTs for specific judicial behaviors and the importance of using visuals like the 'Domino's Pizza Tracker' to enhance client communication. The episode wraps up with practical tips for leveraging AI in law practice management and encourages listeners to join their online community for further discussions.00:00 Law in the Era of Agents - OpenAI Operator and Deep Research in Law Firms00:13 Introduction and Casual Chat01:52 AI and Automation in Legal Tech03:25 FileVine and Case Management Systems05:03 Challenges and Opportunities with AI08:11 Developments in AI Tools09:57 Big Tech and AI Integration15:58 Future of AI in Legal Practices17:10 Automating Client Workflows18:06 Operator Flows and Chain of Thought Reasoning19:10 Starting Small with Limited Functionality19:41 Practical Applications in Law Firms23:23 Deep Research and AI Capabilities27:43 Legal Research and AI Integration33:14 Tips of the Week36:58 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Jan 24, 2025 • 57min
AI is about to get spooky
Unveiling the Future: AGI and AI Integration in Legal Practice
In this episode of the Automated Lawyer Podcast, host Dan Schnurbusch provides an in-depth update on the latest advancements in artificial intelligence (AI) and automation. Dan, flying solo as co-host John Fritz is out of town, discusses his recent presentation on AI and automation at the Maximum Lawyer Mastermind in Scottsdale. The episode dives into the current state of AI, touching on the rapid progress towards Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and its imminent capabilities. Dan talks about significant figures like Leopold Aschenbrenner and Sam Altman, their predictions, and the implications of reaching AGI. He also highlights practical applications of AI in legal practice, including using reasoning models for legal analysis, leveraging automated workflows, and integrating AI tools into existing software. The episode concludes with actionable tips for incorporating AI into practice today and a look at upcoming developments that promise to revolutionize the field.
00:00 Introduction and Host Update
00:45 Recap of Maximum Lawyer Mastermind
02:57 Fascination with AI and Sci-Fi
06:23 AI's Rapid Advancements
17:04 Implications of AI Research
23:45 Stargate Project and National Security
27:11 OpenAI Operator and AI Agents
29:46 AI Performance Benchmarks
30:43 Impressive AI Capabilities
31:20 Real-World AI Applications
33:21 The Future of AI Integration
36:37 Upcoming AI Developments
38:29 Practical AI Use Cases
46:20 AI in Existing Tools
49:47 Automated Workflows with AI
53:51 Conclusion and Tips

Jan 13, 2025 • 46min
Process Documentation & Organizing the Chaos
Discover the fascinating world of law firm automation and AI integration. Learn how process documentation can streamline workflows and enhance client communication. The hosts share tips on using diagramming tools for better visualization and discuss effective strategies for outsourcing tasks. Explore the innovative use of AI avatars in marketing while maintaining a human touch. Plus, find out how virtual assistants can boost efficiency and help manage complex tasks in the legal realm.

Jan 3, 2025 • 34min
New Year Goals, a bit of Marketing, and Has o3 Achieved AGI??
Post-Holiday Reflections and AI Innovations for Lawyers
In this episode of The Automated Lawyer, hosts John Fritz and Dan Schnurbusch discuss their holidays, work-life balance, and planning goals for the new year. They delve into the importance of targeted marketing, brand overhauls, and granular organization. The hosts also explore advancements in artificial intelligence, specifically the new O3 model, and its potential impact on the legal sector. They conclude by emphasizing the benefits of automation and discussing their tech goals for the year.
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00:00 Room recording - Jan 03, 2025
01:56 Annual Planning and Objectives
03:13 Marketing Overhaul and Strategies
06:21 Niche Practice Areas and Branding
11:50 Artificial Intelligence in Law Firms
14:09 Future of AI and Automation
22:31 Tech Stacks and Automation Projects
32:14 Tips of the Week and Conclusion

Dec 16, 2024 • 45min
Jingle Bells and Gemini
Dive into the festive spirit as the hosts share holiday traditions while exploring groundbreaking advancements in AI, particularly Google's Gemini. Discover how AI is reshaping legal practices, from real-time interactions to data privacy concerns. Enjoy insights on integrating AI into sales processes, using call analysis to enhance client interactions. The discussion also touches on maximizing productivity with innovative tools and the importance of refining prompts for better AI performance. Get ready for a blend of technology and holiday cheer!