

By The Horns: A Chicago Bulls Show
Chicago Sports Network
Welcome to By The Horns, a podcast covering the Chicago Bulls. Hosted by Bulls Countdown Live host Camron Smith and CHSN Bulls Insider K.C. Johnson. We’ll bring you the latest updates along with guest interviews and breaking news. Episodes are released every Tuesday and Thursday.
Episodes
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May 12, 2020 • 14min
Craig Hodges critiques ”The Last Dance”
The Last Dance documentary is getting praise from every corner of the world, but former Bull and part of 2 championship Bulls teams Craig Hodges critics Michael Jordan's views. In for host Jason Goff, Leila Rahimi discusses with Hodges on why he wasn't a part of the documentary and his issues with what Jordan has said about the Bulls.
(1:16) - Some things in the documentary touches a sore spot
(3:40) - Hodges' issues with Jordan's comments about the "Traveling cocaine circus"
(6:25) - Hodges' impressions of Jordan when he became a Bull
(8:45) - It wasn't just about MJ, he had help
(10:04) - Hodges being an activist while playing

May 11, 2020 • 1h 22min
The Last Dance episodes 7 & 8 recap
The Bulls content crew for NBCS Chicago of Jason Goff, Kendall Gill, KC Johnson, Will Perdue, and Big Dave Watson are on the pod to discuss seemingly the most raw Michael Jordan we've ever seen. The crew discusses Jordan's many scuffles with teammates, some to the physical level, and truly how bad Jordan wanted to win by any means.
(2:06) - Episodes 7 & 8 showed the emotional side of Jordan
(12:00) - The abuse Michael put on his teammates
(31:08) - Scottie Pippen is not pictured well in the documentary
(51:48) - Michael Jordan crying at the end of episode 7
(1:09:20) - Will Perdue describes with detail the LaBradford Smith story

May 8, 2020 • 35min
David Robinson on the ’92 Dream Team and being teammates with Dennis Rodman
Hall of Famer, San Antonio Spurs legend, and Dream Team member David Robinson joins host Jason Goff to discuss all the details from the Last Dance documentary regarding the greatest team ever assembled, what that experience was like, and the controversy of not having Isiah Thomas on the team. They also get into Robinson's relationship with former Spurs teammate Dennis Rodman and why they didn't see eye to eye.
(3:18) - Why he chose to go to Navy instead of a basketball college
(9:15) - Robinson's 1st interaction with Jordan and the Bulls
(11:34) - What was the selection process like for the Dream Team
(18:45) - MJ's dominance over the Dream Team
(21:20) - Robinson's thoughts on why Isiah Thomas didn't make the Dream Team
(28:19) - Robinson's relationship with Dennis Rodman

May 5, 2020 • 28min
Former Bull Jason Caffey on his anxiety while playing with the 90s Bulls
Host Jason Goff is joined by former Bull and NBA Champion Jason Caffey, as they discuss Caffey being a part of those late 90s Bulls teams. Caffey does a deep dive into his mental state during those years and remembers what it was like playing alongside MJ, Scottie, and Rodman.
(1:40) - Impressions of the Bulls before he got drafted by the Bulls
(7:50) - The most enlightening thing about being a part of greatness
(12:50) - What kind of teammate was Michael Jordan
(19:20) - Caffey on still being friends with Scottie Pippen
(24:10) - Caffey on helping people with mental health issues

May 4, 2020 • 51min
The Last Dance episodes 5 and 6 recap
The Bulls Talk crew is back to recap episodes 5 & 6 of the Last Dance documentary. Host Jason Goff, former Bull Kendall Gill, Bulls insider KC Johnson, and Bulls Outsider Big Dave Watson discuss, the details we never got to see about Jordan including his gambling habits, dealing with being an international icon and his thoughts on social issues.
(2:46) - Biggest takeaways from episodes 5 & 6
(9:40) - Most surprising moment
(18:00) - Jordan's ability to hold grudges
*(21:07) - Kendall tells the story of beating Jordan at cards*
(24:40) - Jordan's stance on social issues
(36:06) - Bulls winning their 3rd NBA championship
(43:00) - Jordan is outing everyone in this documentary

May 3, 2020 • 1h 3min
B.J. Armstrong on the Last Dance and Derrick Rose
3 time NBA Champion B.J. Armstrong joins host Jason Goff and Will Perdue as they discuss his career and journey with the 90s Bulls, his first interactions with Michael Jordan, and describes Derrick Rose's career and what it was like at the end as Rose was traded from the Bulls.
(4:40) - Playing basketball growing up in Detroit
(14:03) - Being drafted by the Bulls and B.J.'s first interactions with Michael Jordan
(21:45) - Fighting to get past the Bad Boy Pistons
(33:50) - Thoughts on Jordan leaving the Bulls after the 3rd championship
(42:00) - B.j. describes how hard and tough practices were with Jordan
(52:32) - B.J. on being Derrick Rose's agent and conclusion to Rose's career as a Bull at that time

May 1, 2020 • 29min
Bulls officially hire new GM Marc Eversley
To fill out his executive staff, new VP of Basketball Ops Arturas Karnisovas hires Marc Eversley as the new GM, replacing Gar Forman. Host Jason Goff discusses the hire with Bulls insider KC Johnson, play clips of KC's 1-on-1 with Eversley after his introductory press conference, and talk about why Arturas went with Eversley for the job.
(1:00) - What was the feeling like talking to Eversley in the presser
(6:50) - Eversley provides the Bulls a fresh face for fans and the league
(13:30) - Eversley's thoughts on the current Bulls roster
(17:40) - Using his (Eversley) experience with Nike to help him brand the Bulls
(21:35) - Eversley's philosophy of building player relationships and player development

Apr 28, 2020 • 46min
Bill Cartwright on the Bad boy Pistons & Dennis Rodman
Former Bulls big man of the early 90s and eventual coach on the 1998 championship Bulls staff, Bill Cartwright joins KC Johnson and Will Perdue to discuss how the Bulls battled the Bad Boy Pistons, the effect Scottie Pippen's trade requests had on the team, and coaching Dennis Rodman.
(2:58) - How difficult was it to overcome the Bad Boy Pistons
(12:05) - Michael Jordan hated the triangle offense in the beginning
(22:26) - What was it like coaching Dennis Rodman
(31:40) - Will Perdue on being traded for Dennis Rodman
(39:00) - Bill Cartwright on being on "load management" on the early 90s championship teams

Apr 27, 2020 • 1h 2min
’The Last Dance’ Episodes 3 and 4 recap
The crew is back for the weekly review of "The Last Dance" documentary. Host Jason Goff is joined by former Bull and pre/post game host Kendall Gill, NBCS Bulls insider K.C. Johnson, and Bulls Outsider Big Dave Watson as they discuss and review Episodes 3 and 4.
(2:30) - The story of Dennis Rodman
(10:30) - The relationship between Chicago and the Bad Boy Pistons
(20:20) - Dennis Rodman dealing with the BS off the court
(29:20) - The legend of "The Shot" over Craig Ehlo
(41:05) - Reaction to the infamous Pistons walk-off
(51:45) - Favorite and most surprising parts of episodes 3 & 4

Apr 24, 2020 • 30min
Tim Floyd describes his relationship with Jerry Krause
After Phil Jackson was told by GM Jerry Krause that after the 1998 season he would no longer be the coach of the Chicago Bulls, Tim Floyd was chosen as his successor. But Krause had already made that decision 3 years before. Leila Rahimi is in for host Jason Goff as she talks with Tim on when he was first approached for the Bulls job and what it was like to coach the Bulls after the 1998 championship season.
(1:06) - Relationship with Jerry Krause started in 1988
(7:10) - Floyd's first impressions of Jerry Krause
(14:40) - Floyd's first meeting with Jerry Reinsdorf
(19:00) - Floyd thought there was a possibility that he would still coach the championship team
(24:15) - What did Krause tell Floyd about the 1998 Bulls team
(28:15) - If Floyd could change anything about his decision to coach the Bulls, would he


