
The Catturd Deficit
The trolls helped bring us to the brink of fascism. Twitter is where they reign.
emptywheel's Marcy Wheeler and LOLGOP's Jason Sattler talk about the rise and fall and fall of Twitter. Join the debate on how we can use Elon Musk's X to combat fascism.
Latest episodes

Jun 23, 2025 • 15min
Trump's Trolls' Turn
Marcy Wheeler digs deeper into the Catturd Deficit that allows white supremacists to use Xitter to rig the news. Then she looks at how Trump's illegal war on Iran has created unprecedented fractures in his base, from Russian useful idiots like Marjorie Taylor Greene to anti-Semitic voices like Candace Owens, and even convicted January 6th participants like Joe Biggs. She explores how to exploit these cracks using the same tactics that got Trump elected, turning his own troll army's playbook against them.

Jun 16, 2025 • 22min
Should the left take on Elon’s Twitter?
X in 2025 is a machine of fascism, an undeniable Nazi bar filled with people who don't know the rule about what to do when a Nazi comes into a bar. Yet its influence has never been greater. It's Elon Musk's megaphone and MAGA's primary digital outreach vector, especially when it comes to spinning lies in real time, such as they are trying to do in attempting to brand the Donald Trump-loving murderer in Minnesota as a Marxist. emptywheel's Marcy Wheeler explains how the site became the machine for fascism, why she still uses it, and some promising angles of attack. Follow Marcy emptywheel https://www.emptywheel.net/about/support/ X https://x.com/emptywheel/ Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/emptywheel.bsky.social Read the original Machine for Fascism post: https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/11/01/elon-musks-machine-for-fascism-a-one-stop-shop-for-disinformation-and-violence/

Nov 17, 2024 • 1h 10min
Next Comes What?
This podcast has ended for now. But the work continues Next Comes What uses history to tell us about what comes next. And what to do about it. It's hosted by Andrea Pitzer and produced by me. If you want to know how we got into this mess, check out Ball of Thread with Marcy Wheeler. Thanks for listening.

Nov 1, 2024 • 38min
“What Most Americans Want” with Andrea Pitzer
The woman who wrote the definitive global history of concentration camps explains how this could be our moment to escape authoritarianism Andrea Pitzer’s book ONE LONG NIGHT became essential reading during Donald Trump’s presidency. This unforgettable global history of concentration camps provided clarity and context to the crimes the Trump administration was committing at the border in our names. Now, Pitzer is back with a gripping new newsletter, Degenerate Art, and a warning about what could come next. “In terms of what I've looked at in my own work from history, what I have found is that often, somewhere between three and five years after an authoritarian personality comes to power, there's kind of an inflection point or a moment when it could all almost be stopped,” she told us. Pitzer explained what this inflection point means and why we can be optimistic that the American public might take advantage of this moment. She also provides crucial clarity about how Donald Trump became possible in the United States, how he would be worse the next time around, and what sort of atrocities we should expect if he and allies like Stephen Miller and Project 2025 seize power again. And when one of the world’s leading authorities on concentration camps tells you that propaganda works, we better believe her. Thanks for listening to these podcasts if you have. You can follow and support my work at IKnowHowMuchYouCare.com.

Oct 25, 2024 • 38min
“Donald Trump’s Lickspittle” with Ian Haney López
Ian Haney López has a warning for America. The renowned law professor and author of MERGE LEFT wrote the definitive book on DOG WHISTLE POLITICS, revealing how powerful elites escalate convenient divisions to conquer America’s working class. His work has inspired the race-class narrative used in Minnesota to thwart Trumpism. Yet he fears America may be on the verge of becoming a frog boiled by strategic racism. The barely veiled racism of JD Vance and the carnival barker eugenics of Donald Trump continue to escalate. The lack of widespread scorn from the American public for Trump and Vance’s despicable rhetoric and ridiculous plan for mass deportations beyond anything seen in modern history shows that eight years have worn away our ability or—perhaps—willingness to fight back. Haney López offers an incredibly terrifying take on JD Vance–who he calls Donald Trump’s lickspittle and hopes that’s taken in the most offensive way possible. In Vance, he sees a purveyor of fascist domination that would destroy all of America’s best aspirations. But he does have ideas for how you call out the deceit, division, and demagoguery Trump and Vance are using to try to turn democracy against itself. He also has a powerful message for America about what we must do if we manage to defeat Donald Trump again. Catch up on all the episodes of “How are you feeling about democracy?” here. If you want to support this podcast, please join us here at the earlyworm society – free or paid; your support matters.

Oct 17, 2024 • 28min
“We’re going to win by 10,000 votes” with Billy Wimsatt
"Hey, there's this thing I found out about that's a way to elect Kamala Harris and all the Democrats downballot AND build community infrastructure long-term. And it’s going to transform this country. It's cool. You may not know about it yet. Check it out.” That’s the pitch from Billy Wimsatt, the founder and executive director of the Movement Voter Project, for the Movement Voter Project. And I’m sold. MVP is how all the work we’re putting into this election can live on and transform this country. And–even more importantly, right now–it’s the best way to turn out the “undecided about voting” progressive voters who will decide this election. Finding MVP feels like a cosmic revelation to me. I’ve admired Billy Wimsatt since I was handed a copy of his book BOMB THE SUBURBS while a student at UC Santa Barbara in the 90s. “This is what I’ve been looking for,” I thought when I held that wild, eclectic collection of words and images. And when I came across the organization he leads, I had the same feeling. It’s a bit spooky. Everything we’re doing right now doesn’t have to end. It can become the seeds that make those “undecided about voting” voters glad they decided to vote. And I challenge you to listen to this whole interview without thinking you should donate to help the Movement Voter Project invest in local organizers who can help us win in November and transform policy afterward. Catch up on all the episodes of “How are you feeling about democracy?” here. If you want to support this podcast, please join us here at the earlyworm society – free or paid; your support matters.

Oct 12, 2024 • 32min
"Why Young Men are Feeling Trumpy" with Jessica Calarco
How the myths that trap women into being America's social safety net con young men and hurt (pretty much) everyone. “In the US, we groom girls to stand in for the social safety net from the time they’re old enough to hold a doll.” From the first line of Jessica Calarco’s fantastic new book “HOLDING IT TOGETHER: How Women Became America’s Safety Net,” you’re confronted with truths that may change you and should change society. Calarco, a professor of Sociology at the University of Wisconsin, first blew my mind with two sentences: “Other countries have social safety nets. The U.S. has women.” Her new book expands upon that simple yet vast truth, exposing the history and costs of America’s indenturing women with the basic cares of others. She also unpacks the quasi-and-literally religious myths that have given this untenable system a veneer of “American exceptionalism.” As we face this election that offers the starkest choice in recent U.S. history between two candidates–both in their identities and vision for the country–Calarco’s revelations and the research that inspired it are essential context. Without her work, it’s impossible to understand why Trump’s chest-beating and whining, insulting as it may be to so many of us, is so appealing, especially to young men. Catch up on all the episodes of “How are you feeling about democracy?” here. If you want to support this podcast, please join us here at the earlyworm society – free or paid; your support matters.

Oct 4, 2024 • 29min
"They Don't Know They Can Vote" with Democrats Abroad
How Americans overseas could help save our democracy at home Only 8% of Americans outside the United States voted in the last presidential election. Angela Fobbs is doing her best to change that. An American living in Germany, Angela–like many of us–was ignited when Donald Trump took the presidency in 2016. And she’s one of the many good-hearted Americans in Democrats Abroad around the globe trying to ensure that never happens again. That’s why she’s spreading the word about two incredible resources. Any American outside the US can get a ballot at VotefromAbroad.org and then head to bluevoterguide.org to see a ballot and see who has earned your vote. 2024 could be a transformative year for Democrats Abroad. For the first time, the DNC has sent money their way. For the first time, DA will be knocking on doors abroad in Windsor, the foreign city that probably has the most American citizens per capita. And for the first time, I got to speak to Angela Fobbs, who is working to ensure that every American citizen gets to vote, no matter where she lives. Let’s do our very best to help her. The democracy we save may be our own. Catch up on all the episodes of “How are you feeling about democracy?” here. If you want to support this podcast, please join us here at the earlyworm society – free or paid; your support matters.

Sep 24, 2024 • 25min
“Women Saving Democracy” with Dan Shafer of The Recombobulation Area
Wisconsin’s first truly democratic election in over a decade has already begun. And if you want to know how November might look in the nation’s Tipping Point State, you’ve got to read Dan Shafer at The Recombobulation Area, which recently became a part of the Civic Media Network. Dan describes how the election of Janet Protasiewicz to the state’s Supreme Court last year has changed the board and the game. For the first time since the Great Recession, voters–and not the politicians who drew their districts–will decide control of the State Assembly. And Democrats can pick up that body while making real progress toward winning the State Senate in 2026. Come with us to Sheboygan to get an idea of what democratic renewal looks like in the Badger State. Dan discusses his complete analysis of all 99 races for the State Assembly, in which he identified the eight toss-up seats that will decide who controls Wisconsin's lower house. He explains Tammy Baldwin’s special sauce and why the nation should be watching Green Bay. Also, you’ll find out just how good Democratic Party Chair Ben Wikler really is and why the women of Wisconsin deserve the most credit for what Dan calls “a true moment for democracy.” And if you want to invest in the ground game to win in November and begin the flip of Wisconsin, consider this excellent Give Smart slate that includes three of the Assembly candidates Dan mentions and all of the “tossup” candidates he’s identified. You can also donate to the Movement Voter Project, which backs local trusted organizers who can get sporadic voters to the polls. Catch up on all the episodes of “How are you feeling about democracy?” here. If you want to be a supporter of this podcast, please join us here at the earlyworm society – free or paid, your support matters.

Sep 14, 2024 • 30min
“A few voters in a handful of states” with Zo Tobi of the Movement Voter Project
Zo Tobi is the communications director at the Movement Voter Project, which is like a mutual fund that invests in trusted organizers building progressive power, especially in swing states. The group recently sent a Bat Signal warning that the local ground game is badly underfunded. You probably have the same thought many people did when I shared this: HOW THE HELL CONSIDERING HOW MUCH HARRIS IS RAISING? I asked Zo that. He has a great answer. And Movement Voter Project has an excellent answer for how we stop having to save democracy every four years. The answer is that we save it every year, all the time. The Movement Voter Project makes that easy and smart, and it's a sin not to do it because it’s so easy and smart. That’s why I’m launching the last earlyworm fundraiser of the year. We will try to raise $20,024 for the Movement Voter Project, which they will send out to these local organizers who are the best hope not only to win in November but to keep democracy alive for the rest of this century. I’m setting up a monthly donation right after this podcast, and my homework is all done, and my daughter is off to ballet. And I hope you’ll do the same. Catch up on all the episodes of “How are you feeling about democracy?” here. If you want to be a supporter of this podcast, please join us here at the earlyworm society – free or paid, your support matters.