

Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
Persephonica and Global Optimism
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast is for anyone who is not ready to give up on making the world a better place. For unrivalled conversations with decision makers, visionary thinkers and a community of like-minded climate optimists, join former UN climate chief Christiana Figueres, political strategist Tom Rivett-Carnac and sustainable business consultant Paul Dickinson. Each week they make sense of all the top climate news stories, go behind the scenes at crucial talks and ensure you stay informed and inspired ahead of what is set to be the consequential year for climate action.As we approach the middle of the decisive decade for world emissions, and the 10 year anniversary of the Paris climate agreement, subscribe to Outrage + Optimism: The Climate PodcastAnd join us for our special Inside COP series with co-host Fiona McRaith where we bring you behind the scenes of COP30 in Belém! And to see video content from the show, follow us on LinkedIn, and Instagram. Got a question? Send us a voice message.This is a Persephonica production for Global Optimism and is part of the Acast Creator Network. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Nov 10, 2022 • 1h 14min
176. COP27: Loss and Damage in the Spotlight
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future. First up we have some exclusive news... *drumroll*... We are excited to announce that Outrage + Optimism is now part of the TED Audio Collective! This news represents an exciting continuation of the collaboration between our organizations, which began with our strategic partnership with TED Countdown. The TED Audio Collective is a curated collection of podcasts sharing ideas on a range of subjects, including psychology, business, and design. Be sure to check out some of the other podcasts in the collective! Back to this special COP 27 episode... co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson talk long-distance with co-host Tom Rivett-Carnac, who’s on the ground at the COP27 UN climate conference in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt. Also, Christiana interviews Simon Stiell, the latest Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), and the podcast announces a new partnership with TED Audio Collective. First, Tom calls in from COP27, where the top item on the agenda is “Loss and Damage,” which refers to the historical responsibility of industrialized nations for the climate crisis and the moral case for compensating poorer and developing countries suffering the brunt of its many devastating effects. What is fair, really? Next, Christiana discusses getting things done, accountability, and the power of meditation with UNFCCC Secretary Simon Stiell. They expand on COP27 and the role of oil and gas companies in the conference. You won’t want to miss this engaging conversation. The team closes with their reflections on the midterm elections in the United States (votes are still being counted) and what a divided Congress means for President Biden’s climate agenda. And finally, producer Clay brings us the goods on O+O’s new partnership with the TED Audio Collective and today’s tune from British guitar-goddess and artist, Anna Calvi: “Don’t Beat the Girl Out of My Boy.” Enjoy the show! NOTES AND RESOURCES To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here. Want to participate in the COP27 Civic Imagination Lab? REGISTER HERE Also, explore more about COP27 It’s official, we’re a TED Audio Collective Podcast - Proof! Check out more podcasts from The TED Audio Collective Want to join our Book Club? Read Jon Alexander’s ‘CITIZENS’ and email your question from the book to contact@globaloptimism.com to be invited to an invite-only session with Jon and us! Go listen to Abigael Kima’s coverage of COP27 on the Hali Hewa Podcast GUEST Simon Stiell LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram MUSIC Anna Calvi Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube Be sure to listen to ‘Indies or Paradise’ -Clay Listen to the full album ‘HUNTER’ Peaky Blinders fans - Listen to ‘Tommy EP’ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nov 3, 2022 • 52min
175. COP27: A Little Less Conversation, A Lot More (Climate) Action
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism! Co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson catch up on the whirlwind political news from the last few weeks. They cover the defeat of Brazil’s far-right President Jair Bolsonaro by former president (and prisoner) Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva aka “Lula,” the upcoming COP27, and the U.S. midterm elections. First up, Brazil. The news of Lula’s presidential win is a victory for the planet. Deforestation skyrocketed under Bolsonaro but declined under Lula’s first stint as president. However, it won’t be easy to reverse Bolsanaro’s trends. Lula doesn’t have a Congressional majority, and Bolsonaro’s party just picked up a few more legislative seats. What will this mean for Brazil’s regeneration initiatives? Next, the team discusses COP27, the upcoming UN climate conference. This year’s theme will be implementation rather than high-stakes, multi-governmental negotiation. But that has our trio wondering about what that means for the private sector? With $20 trillion in income, they’re essential to hitting net zero targets. What role will they play? On to U.S. and U.K. politics: Republicans一with their climate denial stance一seem poised to win both legislative houses in the upcoming American midterm elections. And across the pond, the U.K. continues to flounder in its ongoing leadership crisis. How does this affect the U.S. and U.K. climate agendas, wealthy western oil companies, or climate finance commitments to developing countries? You won’t want to miss the team’s insights! Finally, enjoy the amazing British-Asian fusion sound of Nikhil Beats with an exclusive performance of his song 'Wisdom ft. Eclipse'. NOTES AND RESOURCES To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here. Learn more about COP27 Participate in the COP27 Civic Imagination Lab – REGISTER HERE Nikhil Beats Soundcloud | Spotify | Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube Get Tickets to Nikhil’s Headlining Show in London on Nov 16! - Watch Sister True Dedication’s Ted Talk Listen to Sister True Dedication on 10 Percent Happier with Dan Harris Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 28, 2022 • 27min
Bonus. Hali Hewa: Gender and the Climate Crisis with Sofanit Mesfin
Welcome to the fifth episode of the Hali Hewa Podcast. ‘Hali Hewa’ is a Swahili term for ‘climate ' and this podcast series is hosted and produced by Kenyan climate activist, Abigael Kima. In the lead up to the COP27 international climate negotiations, which are now just a month away, Abigael interviews African climate change experts and activists on the issues that matter most to them. Guests sign off each episode by sharing what they feel the COP27 conference must deliver on. Our guest today is Sofanit Mesfin. Sofanit is a gender specialist working as the Regional Gender and Social Inclusion Coordinator at Ripple Effect, formerly known as ‘Send A Cow’. Ripple Effect works with smallholder farmers to equip them with knowledge and skills enabling them to improve their livelihoods and thrive. Farmers working alongside Ripple Effect learn more, grow more and sell more. They can feed their families nutritious food, and by having a surplus to sell can invest in their farms, send their children to school and build sustainable agri-businesses. In this episode, Sofanit takes us through her journey working with women farmers in different African countries to deliver training programs that help them adapt to a changing climate. She explains how and why women and children are disproportionately affected by the impacts of climate change, and what Ripple Effect is doing to ease the burden on women, children and their households. Sofanit also explains how other stakeholders can come on board to support this kind of work, ensuring that more and more communities get support to build resilience and secure a healthy future for themselves and their children. Sofanit signs off the show by sharing what she wants the upcoming COP27 climate conference in Egypt to deliver in November. Enjoy the show! Learn more about Ripple Effect Linkedin | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter | Website [Note: I recently had the privilege to visit women farmers in Busia and Bungoma in the Western Region of Kenya. I learned a lot from them about methods to improve food production, and how these practices allowed them to better their lives and that of their families. Follow the Hali Hewa Podcast on social media to see these interviews] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 27, 2022 • 1h 10min
174. These are Powerful Times
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism! In this episode, co-host Christiana Figueres is joined by an all-female cast. You’ll hear from climate activist Abigael (Abbie) Kima from Kenya about her recent visit with His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, and Isabel Cavelier, Colombian climate activist and recent recipient of the prestigious Climate Breakthrough Award, an initiative of the Climate Breakthrough Project. We also feature music from the British indie rock duo, Penelope Isles. First, Abbie Kima brings Christiana up to date with her podcast, the Hali Hewa Podcast一“Hali ya Hewa” is Swahili for “climate”一covering indigenous people, women, and climate emergencies from the African perspective. Kima also recounts her extraordinary (collective) meeting with the Dalai Lama at the Mind & Life Institute in Dharamsala. She discusses his teachings about how oneness across all people is innately linked to global climate action. Next, Christiana chats with Isabel Cavelier about her fascinating climate journey. Isabel touches on her early work helping develop the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs一the United Nations framework for global peace and prosperity一her climate action organization Transforma, and her work in the climate movement today. They also touch on Cavelier’s Climate Breakthrough Award, one of the field's most distinguished honors. Finally, we close the episode with indie rock band Penelope Isles's new release, “Underwater Record Store.” See you next week! NOTES AND RESOURCES To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here. Shoutout to our very own Freya Newman on her research being published in Nature Communications! Want to participate in the COP27 Civic Imagination Lab? REGISTER HERE - GUESTS Abigael Kima LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook| YouTube | Instagram Listen to Abbie’s Hali Hewa Podcast Isabel Cavelier Adarve LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook Learn more about Isabel’s award from Climate Breakthrough Transforma LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram - MUSIC Penelope Isles Twitter | Facebook | Instagram Clay’s Recommendation: Check out their LIVE KEXP and AudioTree Performances! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 20, 2022 • 1h 48min
173. The Way Out Is In: Benefitting from a Spiritual Practice
Many of us living through the climate emergency are asking, how do we support positive change in the world? How do I bring presence and insight into my daily life and the global challenges we face? How do I cultivate inner peace amidst these crises? How can I show up in my daily life as my authentic self? This week on the podcast, our very own host Tom Rivett-Carnac moonlights as a guest for a special episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. Presenters, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and journalist Jo Confino, discuss with Tom the power that deep spiritual grounding has to make mindfulness a tool for individual and collective awakening, not only in life in general, but specifically during an ecological and climate crisis. Tom also talks about his early-life experience as a Buddhist monk; the benefits of spiritual development, how it precipitates coming together without egoic attachment to find collective solutions, and how to use it as a tool to integrate practice and activism. And stick around to the end of the episode for a ‘The Way Out Is In’ tradition, a short meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu. - NOTES AND RESOURCES Listen and Subscribe to ‘The Way Out Is In’ Plum Village App Twitter | YouTube | Instagram Thich Nhat Hanh Twitter | Foundation Plum Village Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | YouTube Brother Chân Pháp Hữu Instagram Jo Confino Instagram Next ‘The Way Out Is In’ Recommended Episodes To LISTEN To: War And Peace (Ukraine) Zen and The Art of Saving The Planet Wise Leadership w/ Lindsay Levin WATCH: ‘A Cloud Never Dies’ on YouTube READ: ‘Zen and The Art of Saving the Planet’ by Thich Nhat Hanh Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 18, 2022 • 46min
172. Dinner with Satish Kumar
This week, a bonus episode with something a little different than normal. Join us for a dinner conversation at Tom's house with Satish Kumar! Peace-pilgrim, life-long activist and former monk, Satish Kumar has been inspiring global change for over 50 years. Aged 9, Satish renounced the world and joined the wandering Jain monks. Inspired by Gandhi, he decided at 18 that he could achieve more back in the world and soon undertook a peace-pilgrimage, walking without money from India to America in the name of nuclear disarmament. Now in his 80s, Satish has devoted his life to campaigning for ecological regeneration, social justice and spiritual fulfillment. So find a seat, grab a glass, and enjoy the conversation! - NOTES AND RESOURCES Schumacher College Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn The Resurgence Trust Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Discounted Membership Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 13, 2022 • 1h 3min
171. ESG: Facts Are Not Political
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism! As always, we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future. In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss the anti-ESG (environmental, social, and governance) movement in the U.S. and its broader implications for the role of corporate institutions in an increasingly climate-sensitive world. You’ll hear from Jesse Coleman, Senior Researcher with investigative watchdog and journalism project Documented. Jesse and his team have uncovered some astounding research on the sobering reality behind the ESG pushback. You won’t want to miss a second of this important and intriguing discussion! Also, enjoy the outro track, entitled “Frying Paint,” from guest artist, Archive. Details, including a link to the brilliant video, are in the show notes below. See you next time! CORRECTION: Our host Paul Dickinson mentions in the show that Paul Watchman produced a fiduciary duty report for Linklaters. The fiduciary duties report Paul Watchman was responsible for was from Freshfields....not Linklaters. NOTES AND RESOURCES Jesse Coleman Twitter | Documented Learn more about Jesse’s research on Documented LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram Read a joint report on ExxonMobil by Jesse (Documented) and Emily Atkin (HEATED) Huge, huge shout out to Jason Schwartz and Kathleen Brophy at The Sunrise Project for their incredible work bringing this anti-ESG movement to our attention, and for all their help and generosity. The Sunrise Project State Financial Officers Foundation Texas Public Policy Foundation Music This Week: Archive Twitter | Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | Music Tom + Clay recommend Archive’s video for “Frying Paint” Clay’s Pick of The Week - Archive’s “Shouting Within” Be sure to check out “The Way Out Is In” - our sister podcast with Plum Village! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oct 6, 2022 • 1h 16min
170. Australia is Back!
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism. As always, we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future. In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson are joined by guest co-host and friend, Dean Bialek. Dean has worked on climate change for years in his native Australia, which is especially relevant to today’s episode. The team spends some time Down Under一well, proverbially speaking一conversing with Aussies-extraordinaire Zali Steggall, Australia’s most renown international alpine skier, Teal Movement founder, and current independent member of the Australian Parliament for Warringah; and Mike Cannon-Brookes, climate activist and Co-Founder and Co-CEO of software juggernaut Atlassian Corporation Plc. Our guests weigh in on Australia’s new government, its audacious climate bill, and how a nation chock-full of renewable resources (but historically low political will) could be about to pivot to climate superpower status. We also have an update on the Environmental Music Prize from Edwina Floch, Founder of The Environmental Music Prize as well as a music track from the Winner of the Prize, King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard. You won’t want to miss this inspiring podcast episode一It’s definitely ace! NOTES AND RESOURCES To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here. Thank you to our guest co-host, Dean Bialek! Dean Bialek Twitter | LinkedIn | Instagram - Thank you to our guests this week! Zali Steggall | Member Australian Parliament for Warringah Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube | Website Mike Cannon-Brookes | Co-founder and Co-CEO of Atlassian Twitter | LinkedIn Atlassian Website | Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | YouTube - Congratulations to our musical guest and winner of the 1st Environmental Music Prize, King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard! King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard Instagram | Twitter | YouTube | BandCamp | Website Go watch their Prize-Winning Music Video “If Not Now, Then When” on YouTube **Note from Clay** - It’s f***ing awesome Listen more from the Environmental Music Prize and sign up for their newsletter to stay tuned for next year's prize! Edwina Floch LinkedIn | Twitter Environmental Music Prize Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn | YouTube - Check out Tom’s appearance on the Coliving Conversations podcast. Learn more about Australia’s Climate Change Bill 2022 Learn more about the Australia Asia Powerlink by Sun Cable Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sep 29, 2022 • 1h 13min
169. Do The Work
Welcome to this week’s episode - It’s a packed agenda. Our hosts cover everything from nature breakdown in the UK, the threat of nuclear war in Europe, the downfall of a World Bank President and plenty in-between. We also hear from the incredible Helen Clarkson and Catherine McKenna on everything to do with greenwashing, carbon tax and the power of straight-talking on climate. For those of you working in the corporate world and grappling with climate action, this is an episode you do not want to miss. Helen Clarkson, CEO of the Climate Group which convenies Climate Week NYC, shares a fascinating insight at the disconnect happening within companies on the road to net zero, who are now having to turn their commitments into real action. And that brings us to the fascinating conversation on greenwashing with Catherine McKenna, Chair of something with an extraordinarily long and very difficult to say without reading your notes name: the UN’s High-Level Expert Group on the Net-Zero Emissions Commitments of Non-State Entities. We talk about how, while we’re all outraged - rightly - by greenwashing, we still need to lift up the folks who are doing the real work and not lump everyone in the same group. And there’s more: on the balance between integrity and momentum, supply chain efficiencies, understanding risk, a price on carbon, disclosure and what blockchain has to do with all of that. We wrap up with a gorgeous song from Finnegan Tui. Your ears will thank you for staying on to listen. Notes and Resources Thank you to our guests this week: Helen Clarkson | Chief Executive Office at the Climate Group Twitter Climate Group Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Instagram Catch all of last week’s Climate Week NYC On Demand Catherine McKenna | Chair of H-LEG - the UN’s High-Level Expert Group on the Net-Zero Emissions Commitments of Non-State Entities. Twitter - Thank you to our musical guest this week, Finnegan Tui! Finnegan Tui Spotify | Apple Music | YouTube | Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | Website Patreon | Bandcamp Watch the ‘ZEPHYR’ Audio-Visual Journey on YouTube - Congratulations to Global Optimism’s very own Freya Newman on her Masters Resarch being published in Nature Communications! - For more on WBG President David Malpass’s controversial remarks, start here. - @OutrageOptimism is where we are online! Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sep 22, 2022 • 57min
168. From Climate Week NYC: No Other Option But To Solve This
In an event as rare as the triple Jovian eclipse on Jupiter, Christiana, Tom and Paul recorded this episode together! As in IRL together! Physically at the same table! Having graduated from their humble beginnings which saw them huddled together around a mic in a San Francisco bathroom (not ‘toilet’ as the Brits call it, conjuring up all kinds of odd visions for our US audiences), they are now broadcasting to you listeners from Tom’s ‘cozy’ New York hotel room, bringing us all the news and highlights from the first half of Climate Week NYC. Christiana shares that alongside all the useful conversations that will be happening this week as the community grapples with solutions to tackling the climate crisis, the need for a gut belief that we CAN solve this crisis is critical. A belief she is sensing is worryingly absent… Tom’s prediction for the next mega trend in the climate movement and philanthropy is in the form of strategic communications and political economy building. Paul meanwhile is inspired by the role cities can play in implementing much needed governance and policy without the obstacles that are present in high level government. While our special guest this week, the Financial Times columnist, Martin Wolf might not self-identify as an optimist, his conversation with Christiana, Tom and Paul offers a fascinating analysis of the economic, corporate and political forces that we find ourselves at the mercy of, the reasons behind the rise of populism and what he thinks it will take for us to really collectively wake up to this crisis. And of course another incredible song from our new friend, Tommy WÁ. Stick around to the end to hear an exclusive performance from him! Notes and Resources Thank you to our phone guest this week, Martin Wolf! Martin Wolf | Chief Economics Commentator at the Financial Times Twitter Be sure to check out Martin’s Column in The Financial Times - Thank you to our musical guest this week, Tommy WÁ! Tommy WÁ Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkTree | YouTube Check out Tommy’s Live from NYC 3 Song Concert on YouTube - The EarthShot Prize Innovation Summit 2022 was a major highlight this week. Christiana moderated! - Your inside scoop to Climate Week NYC - @OutrageOptimism Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


