
Banking with Interest
Banking with Interest, a podcast by IntraFi, features in-depth analysis and insight into the policy changes reshaping the banking industry. With insightful interviews and previews of pending policy challenges, the podcast is an essential listen for anyone connected to the financial services industry.
Banking with Interest is hosted by Rob Blackwell, an award-winning former journalist with more than two decades of experience as an expert on financial services policy. He is now Chief Content Officer and Head of External Affairs with IntraFi.
The show is produced by Sam Navarro, senior principal writer at IntraFi. The podcast theme song was written and produced by Stellar Tracks. The information, views, and opinions expressed during Banking With Interest belong solely to Rob Blackwell and his guests and do not represent those of IntraFi LLC, its directors, management, or employees. Any ideas and strategies contained within the podcast are for informational purposes only and do not constitute legal or investment advice.
Latest episodes

Feb 14, 2023 • 27min
What Other Banks Can Learn from Wells Fargo’s Past Troubles
Kevin Wack, national editor for American Banker, talks about his multi-part series examining the phony-accounts scandal at Wells Fargo, how he persuaded a former key executive there to provide previously unknown details about what happened, and what other institutions can learn.

Feb 7, 2023 • 27min
Inside the CFPB's Battle Over Credit Card Late Fees
The CFPB surprised the banking industry last week by proposing to limit credit card late fees to $8, a much lower figure than most expected. Ian Katz, managing director of Capital Alpha Partners and a former Bloomberg reporter, discusses what other specifics are in the plan, how the industry is reacting, and how the issue is likely to play out this year.

Jan 31, 2023 • 30min
Are the FHLBs Dangerously Off Mission?
While the Federal Housing Finance Agency conducts a historic review of the Federal Home Loan Banks’ mission, several critics are questioning whether the housing government-sponsored enterprises have lost sight of their original purpose. Karen Shaw Petrou, managing partner of Federal Financial Analytics details the controversy, and how the FHLBs should be reformed.

Jan 24, 2023 • 26min
Banking-as-a-Service is “Here to Stay,” New Association CEO Says
Bill Briggs, a key architect of the Paycheck Protection Program, talks about his just-announced role as the CEO of the Banking as a Service Association, a group representing banks that partner with fintechs to allow them to offer financial services. He discusses the need for a new set of best practices and how he believes the model is here for good despite enhanced regulatory scrutiny of bank-fintech partnerships.

Jan 17, 2023 • 44min
Rodgin Cohen on Crypto, Capital and M&A Challenges
H. Rodgin Cohen, the senior chair of Sullivan & Cromwell and one of the country’s preeminent bank lawyers, talks about how heightened regulatory scrutiny of M&A is impacting the industry, whether some banks are “too big to manage,” the Fed’s plans to raise capital, and the dire need for crypto regulations.

Dec 13, 2022 • 50min
Pardon The Interruption: The Banking Policy Edition
Polite disagreement is overrated. Richard Hunt, the former CEO of the Consumer Bankers Association, and Jaret Seiberg, a top bank analyst with Cowen Washington Research Group, spar (and sometimes agree) over several critical topics in financial services. That includes pending Fed changes to capital standards, Zelle alterations, FedNow, CRA reform, FTX's fallout, CFPB’s future, pot banking and much more.

Dec 6, 2022 • 31min
Inside the Battle Over Fed Master Accounts
The Fed is proposing to name all nonbank companies that apply for—and ultimately receive—a master account with the central bank. Kyle Campbell, the Fed reporter for American Banker, goes through why this issue matters to banks, how it connects to both a lawsuit and possible legislation, and where it’s going next.

Nov 29, 2022 • 43min
Why Regulators Need to Rework CRA Reform: Ludwig
Eugene Ludwig, the former Comptroller of the Currency who led the last successful effort to reform the Community Reinvestment Act, details why the current proposal by regulators needs to be reproposed. He also tackles how banks should be evaluating their fintech partnerships in light of supervisory scrutiny, and how he sees the fintech sector as a managing partner at venture capital fund Canapi Ventures.

Nov 15, 2022 • 53min
What Election Surprises, Crypto Chaos and Twitter Meltdown Mean for Bankers
It’s been another hectic week in the financial regulatory world, with Democrats unexpectedly outperforming in the midterm elections while separately another crypto meltdown ensued. But what will this mean for bankers? John Heltman, the Washington Bureau Chief of American Banker, and Brendan Pedersen, the financial services reporter for PunchBowl News, provide analysis on Democrats keeping the Senate, Rep. Patrick McHenry as the likely chairman of House Financial Services Committee, and whether the crypto news adds momentum to a stablecoin bill. They also discuss Twitter's nascent plans to become a payments company and offer money market products.

Nov 8, 2022 • 46min
Brookings’ Klein on Stablecoin’s Downsides, CBDC Myths and More Fed Cowbell
Aaron Klein, the Miriam K. Carliner Chair and senior fellow in Economic Studies at the Brookings Institution, discusses how the growth of stablecoins could hurt banks, why financial inclusion isn’t going to be solved by a central bank digital currency and why D.C. always wants to give the Federal Reserve more power.