
Banking with Interest
Banking with Interest, a podcast by IntraFi, features in-depth analysis and insight into the policy changes reshaping the banking industry. With insightful interviews and previews of pending policy challenges, the podcast is an essential listen for anyone connected to the financial services industry.
Banking with Interest is hosted by Rob Blackwell, an award-winning former journalist with more than two decades of experience as an expert on financial services policy. He is now Chief Content Officer and Head of External Affairs with IntraFi.
The show is produced by Sam Navarro, senior principal writer at IntraFi. The podcast theme song was written and produced by Stellar Tracks. The information, views, and opinions expressed during Banking With Interest belong solely to Rob Blackwell and his guests and do not represent those of IntraFi LLC, its directors, management, or employees. Any ideas and strategies contained within the podcast are for informational purposes only and do not constitute legal or investment advice.
Latest episodes

Sep 26, 2023 • 42min
End of an Era: Deposit Gathering Near Rate Cycle Peak
Matt Pieniazek, president of Darling Consulting, and Dave Koch, managing director of advisory services with Abrigo, discuss strategies for banks to navigate the challenging deposit market as the Fed nears the end of its rate hike cycle. Will the Fed raise rates again, how long will rates stay high and how best can banks prepare?

Sep 19, 2023 • 44min
Are Bank Regulators Overstepping Their Legal Authority?
Jonathan Gould, partner with Jones Day and a former general counsel of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, makes a case that the federal banking agencies are increasingly pushing the envelope even as courts become more skeptical of their powers. He also discusses the dangers of focusing too much on the safety of individual institutions at the expense of the overall risk to the system.

Sep 12, 2023 • 36min
The Case Against Higher Bank Capital Requirements
Kevin Fromer, president and CEO of the Financial Services Forum, details why the big banks are pushing back vigorously against a new proposal to raise capital at the largest institutions by 20%, arguing it is unnecessary and could cost the U.S. economy at a critical time.

Jul 26, 2023 • 37min
Have We Learned the Wrong Lessons From SVB's Failure?
Steven Kelly, associate director of research at the Yale Program on Financial Stability, pushes back on multiple narratives about why SVB failed and what policymakers should do to prevent another collapse like it. He also weighs in on federal regulators’ new capital proposal and the battle over stablecoin regulation.

Jul 19, 2023 • 42min
Beyond the Hype: How FedNow Will Change Payments
Aaron Klein, senior fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institution, talks about why he is skeptical of the impact of FedNow, the central bank’s instant payment system due to launch this week.

Jul 12, 2023 • 38min
How Twitter’s Possible Demise Could Impact Bank Policy Discussions
Sean Tuffy, former head of market and regulatory intelligence at Citigroup, talks about how the changing dynamics at Twitter may impact bank policy and media narratives. He also discusses crypto and stablecoin legislation, money market mutual fund reform, and the lessons of Silicon Valley Bank’s failure.

Jun 28, 2023 • 26min
The Looming Battle Over Bank Capital Requirements
John Heltman, Washington Bureau Chief of American Banker, talks about federal regulators’ pending proposal to raise capital on banks with more than $100 billion of assets. He tackles how that fits into the overall Basel capital plan, how banks and Republicans are planning to fight back, and what kind of impact it could have on bank lending.

Jun 13, 2023 • 32min
Santander US CEO Wennes on Regional Banks, Capital Regs and Reaching Gen Z
Tim Wennes, the CEO of Santander US, talks about the future of regional banks, including the potential for higher capital requirements and a possible credit crunch. He also weighs in on fears around commercial real estate, why the bank is expanding its auto lending business, and how it is targeting the next generation of bank customers.

Jun 6, 2023 • 32min
CBA’s Johnson on M&A, Credit Card Late Fees, and CFPB’s Future
Lindsey Johnson, who started last summer as the head of the Consumer Bankers Association, discusses how policymakers are reacting to the recent banking turmoil, why the CFPB’s credit card late fee proposal will harm consumers, and whether regulators will allow more M&A.

May 23, 2023 • 42min
What Bankers Need to Know After Marathon Hearings
Last week saw a remarkable number of Capitol Hill hearings on the bank policy front, with multiple sessions featuring top bank regulators and the former chief executives of three failed banks. Claire Williams and Kyle Campbell, reporters with American Banker, offer their takeaways and remaining questions from these hearings, including what comes next from lawmakers and regulators.