The Gist

Joe Swanberg and Jake Johnson have made a couple of can't-miss indie films in the last few years, including Drinking Buddies, Digging for Fire, and the new poker comedy Win It All. The collaborators talk about improv, making a believable world on-screen, and Jake's unusual leading man role on the Fox sitcom New Girl. In the Spiel, Mike rounds up some news that fell through the cracks this week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Letterman was full of contradictions. He hated celebrity, but he hosted a talk show. He was playful, but he never seemed to be enjoying himself. In The Last Giant of Late Night, reporter Jason Zinoman explores the many facets of Letterman's art, and how the TV landscape has suffered without him. In the Spiel, the real stories behind the fall of Alabama's governor, the Wells Fargo clawback, and one teenager's quest for free chicken nuggets. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Slate's Osita Nwanevu defended the actions of Middlebury College students to silence visiting speaker Charles Murray last month. If we consider some opinions to be beyond the pale of acceptability, who's to say that the students were wrong in putting Murray's past writings in that category? Nwanevu is an editorial assistant at Slate. In the Spiel: If you really think about it, Bill O'Reilly is a lot like Bashar al-Assad. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What does President Trump want to achieve with Thursday's escalation of force against Syria? Fred Kaplan considers all the angles, including this one: Ordering a strike against a single Syrian air base was one of the lesser military actions President Trump could have approved. Kaplan writes the War Stories column for Slate. In the Spiel, like a clueless boyfriend in a zip-up sweater, Trump went to Jared. Join Slate Plus! Members get bonus segments, exclusive member-only podcasts, and more. Sign up for a free trial today at slate.com/gistplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Chicago Cubs used to be the Susan Lucci of baseball. Now they're looking more like Meryl Streep. As a fan, how do you become accustomed to winning? Scott Simon has written a memoir about his life as a too-devoted Cubs fan and how he's adjusting to life as a winner. Simon is also the host of Weekend Edition Sunday from NPR. In the Spiel, we bid farewell to a beloved, deeply tender jerk. Join Slate Plus! Members get bonus segments, exclusive member-only podcasts, and more. Sign up for a free trial today at Slate.com/gistplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In The Discovery, director Charlie McDowell imagines a world where the afterlife has been proven, and a man played by Jason Segel is trying to negotiate the emotional consequences. McDowell says he was out to make a kind of "grounded sci-fi," in the vein of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. "It's not focused on a futuristic look or society," says McDowell. "It's a backdrop for exploring the characters." The Discovery premiered on Netflix on Friday. In the Spiel, one question, and one question only, about chemical weapons in Syria. Join Slate Plus! Members get bonus segments, exclusive member-only podcasts, and more. Sign up for a free trial today at slate.com/gistplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tabitha Soren is not a natural baseball fan. She got interested when her husband, Michael Lewis, was working on his book Moneyball. As Lewis became obsessed with teaching his readers another way to watch the game, Soren focused on showing people how to see the players in a different way: as fallible and broken people who sacrifice their bodies for a chance to play in the major leagues. The result is Fantasy Life, a 15-year span of photographs of a group of minor league draft picks for the Oakland A's. In the Spiel, yeah, we're having a hard time understanding this whole "unmasking" business, too. Join Slate Plus! Members get bonus segments, exclusive member-only podcasts, and more. Sign up for a free trial today at slate.com/gistplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Trump was the chaos candidate, but he's finding little success as the chaos president. He's turned off Democrats and the Freedom Caucus, failed to pass a new health care law, and faced blockades in the courts against his travel ban. We call up veteran GOP strategist Mike Murphy to discuss the impossible spot the White House is in, and why Democrats shouldn't blockade Neil Gorsuch. Murphy's podcast is Radio Free GOP. In the Spiel, checkin' in with the Trump base. Join Slate Plus! Members get bonus segments, exclusive member-only podcasts, and more. Sign up for a free trial today at slate.com/gistplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After a long hiatus, the groundbreaking comedy show Mystery Science Theatre 3000 returns to piteously mock the worst movies ever made. Show creator Joel Hodgson and new head writer Elliott Kalan (The Daily Show) explain how to get some tiny pleasure out of cinematic garbage. The show returns on Netflix April 14. In the Spiel, why Melissa McCarthy will never keep up with relentless self-parody artist Sean Spicer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why does Russia find NATO so deeply offensive? Tom Nichols says it comes down to something quite human. NATO represents all of the successes that Russia couldn't quite manage to achieve: "Part of the reason Russians hate NATO is because Russia just doesn't have any friends in the world." Nichols is a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College. He'll be back on the show soon to discuss his new book, The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why It Matters. In the Spiel, there was some damn fine inquiry on the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices