
Church and Main
Church and Main is a podcast at the intersection of faith and modern life. Join Pastor Dennis Sanders as he shares the stories of faith interacting with the ever-changing world of the 21st century.
Latest episodes

Feb 10, 2024 • 58min
Breathing Fresh Life into Humanist Conservatism with Jeffrey Tyler Syck | Episode 171
Guest Jeffrey Tyler Syck dives into the multifaceted world of American conservatism. He and Dennis unpack the nuances of traditional, national, and humanist conservatism, examining the influence of faith on these ideologies. Tyler discusses the decline of humanist conservatism and its potential resurgence, considering the role of churches in fostering values like community and social justice. The conversation offers a rich exploration of conservatism's philosophical roots and its place in modern political life, with a hopeful look at its future in American politics.
Show Notes:
Jeffrey Tyler Syck's home page
Conservatism’s Path Not Taken
Conservatism’s Humanist Road Not Taken
Lectionary Q Podcast
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Jan 31, 2024 • 47min
Is the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Really as Simple as It Seems? with Frederick Schmidt| Episode 170
So, in this latest chat on "Church and Main," I got to hang out with frequent guest Reverend Frederick Schmidt. We dove into how people tend to oversimplify the whole Israeli-Palestinian situation. We're all about getting into the nitty-gritty and understanding the full picture, especially the parts that don't get enough attention, like the real-life struggles of Palestinians and the issues with their leaders.
Show Notes:
Christian Leaders, Hamas, And Fundamentalist Islam
Whispered in Gaza Videos
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Jan 20, 2024 • 59min
Death, Dying and Caregiving with Andrew Donaldson | Episode 169
The sight of former President Jimmy Carter at his wife's funeral gave a lesson in what it means to be actively dying, even if the lesson was lost on those commenting on social media. In this episode, frequent guest Andrew Donaldson joins the show as he and Dennis talk about death and dying as well as being caregivers to their parents following health emergencies recently.
Show notes:
We Should Talk More About Dying, Cause You Will by Andrew Donaldson
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Jan 7, 2024 • 50min
January 6 in Three Acts with Andrew Donaldson and Dennis Sanders | Episode 168
This episode originally aired January 5, 2022.
On the three-year anniversary of January 6, 2021, and at the start of a momentous presidential election year, Dennis reflects on the day and the American future in three acts with fellow podcaster and writer Andrew Donaldson.
Heard Tell with Andrew Donaldson
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Chapters
0:00:34 Introduction to Church in Maine podcast
0:06:10 Introduction: Setting the Stage for January 6th
0:08:10 Act 3: Concluding Thoughts on January 6th
0:10:04 Praying in Light of Today's Events
0:12:03 Failing to Uphold the Ideals of Unity
0:12:37 Seeking God's Help in Uncertain Times
0:14:36 Reflecting on the January 6th Insurrection Investigation
0:15:53 Setting the Context for the January 6th Committee
0:18:00 Doubts on Obtaining Truth from the Committee
0:24:21 Recognizing the Disease: Lack of Respect in Government
0:27:59 Relitigating January 6th: Counterproductive and Damaging
0:30:48 Waking Up to a Nightmare: 1983 and its Significance
0:33:37 Abel Archer and the Close Call of Nuclear War
0:35:36 Generation X and the Fear of Nuclear War
0:38:50 Palpable fear and uncertainty in America
0:41:22 January 6th: Epiphany and the Story of King Herod
0:43:47 Bethlehem's Horror & January 6th Parallels
0:45:49 Living, Helping, and Trusting Amidst Turmoil
0:46:50 The Ultimate Defeat of Evil
0:48:25 Praying for Strength and Trust in Hard Times

Jan 3, 2024 • 57min
Why Do Church Buildings Matter in Today’s World? with Loren Richmond Jr. | Episode 167
It's quite common for people to say that the church isn't a building, but a people - and this is true. But that doesn't mean that church buildings are without any meaning. Loren Richmond Jr. returns to the podcast to talk about his summer project taking pictures and learning the history of church buildings in his hometown of Denver and how this pastime impacted his faith and how it can impact your faith as well.
Show Notes:
Future Christian Podcast (Loren's Podcast)
The Contradiction in Church Architecture by Loren Richmond Jr.
Prayers Rising Past the Immanent Frame by Katherine Willis Pershey
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Dec 30, 2023 • 38min
The Most Memorable Episodes of 2023 | Episode 166
In this episode, I look back at the 10 most memorable episodes of 2023. This isn’t a countdown to number one, but a look back at some of the most meaningful episodes of the year. I will also look forward to what I hope to be doing in 2024.
At the end of the year, I want to say thanks to everyone who has downloaded an episode, shared an episode with others or donated financially. You helped an odd pastor in Minnesota live out a desire to start this here podcast. Thank you for your support!
The 10 Most Memorable Episodes of 2023:
Episode 132: Telling the Truth on Church Decline with Ben Crosby
Episode 136: A Church Grows Again in Odessa with Dawn Darwin Weaks
Episode 158: A Tale of Congregational Hope and Renewal with Grayhame Bowcott
Episode 153: Lay-Led Church Planting with Laura Cottington
Episode 164: Mainline Church Growth with Paul Moore
Episode 140: Beyond Colorblindness and Antiracism with George Yancey
Episode 143: Giving Up the Stigma of Mental Illness with Seth Perry
Episode 142: Church and the Crisis of Decline with Andrew Root
Episode 157: Rage and Hope After the Hamas Massacre with Rabbi Brad Hirschfield
Episode 159: Mainline Churches and Israel-Palestine with Todd Stavrakos
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Dec 20, 2023 • 1h 6min
The Theology of Black Lives Matter with Drew McIntyre | Episode 165
Note: This podcast originally aired on December 8, 2021.
Black Lives Matter. Those three words have launched a million arguments over the last 8 years or so. What began as a hashtag in the wake of the killing of young black men by the police has become a phrase that has gone global and all the while it has been controversial. Some think it is exclusive and even racist because they think it only focuses on black people. Others like the phrase and take it on without asking questions.
Methodist Pastor Drew McIntrye wanted to look at black lives matter from a theological standpoint. What does it mean for followers of Jesus to say this phrase? Can followers of Jesus say this phrase? The answer is an emphatic yes. We will talk about what blacks live matters means theologically and what it means for African Americans to hear the church say black lives matter.
Show Notes:
The Scandal of Particularity, Black Lives, and Jesus by Drew McIntyre
Drew’s Website
The God & Whiskey Podcast- Drew and Evan Rohrs-Dodge
Drew on Twitter
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Dec 14, 2023 • 44min
The Most Vital Strategy for Mainline Church Growth with Paul Moore | Episode 164
Mainline Protestant congregations have faced decline over several decades. Can these churches grow again and also hold fast to their commitment to social justice?
Paul Moore a pastor of a Presbyterian Church (USA) Congregation in the suburban Twin Cities, MN believes the answer is yes and is practicing what he believes. In this episode, we talk about how Presbyterian and other mainline Protestant denominations can have thriving churches again if they learn to "grow young."
Show notes:
Preaching at my home church with sadness by Paul Moore
Growing Young in the PC(USA) by Paul Moore
Chain of Lakes Presbyterian Church website
Episode 83: Mainline Church Planting with Paul Moore
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Dec 7, 2023 • 58min
The Tiny Home Revolution: How a Church Made a Big Impact with Peter Christ | Episode 163
One solution to solving the affordable housing and homelessness crisis is for churches to have an active role in providing space for housing. Another church that I am aware of in Minneapolis sold their property to another housing nonprofit that will build affordable housing and also create a worship space for the congregation.
I talked to a pastor at a Lutheran congregation in Roseville, Minnesota a Twin Cities suburb that was able to provide homes for people experiencing homelessness using tiny homes. Peter Christ the pastor of Prince of Peace Lutheran Church shares the story that led the congregation to create a small community that is giving people a place to call home.
Show Notes:
Prince of Peace Lutheran Church website
Settled website (nonprofit building tiny homes)
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Dec 3, 2023 • 1h 22min
The Death and Resurrection of Peace Lutheran Church with Dave Greenlund (REWIND) | Episode 162
This episode originally aired on December 2, 2021.
Peace Lutheran Church is a congregation of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America located in the small town of Lauderdale which sits between Minneapolis and St. Paul. When Pastor Dave Greenlund was asked to pastor the congregation, the Synod office thought he might be a hospice pastor who would let the church die a good death. That was 2004. Peace is still alive and kicking having grown a little as well. In this episode, I chat with Rev. Greenlund about the story of Peace Lutheran and how it learned to connect with the community around it.
Show Notes:
Peace Lutheran Website
Profile of Peace Lutheran in Living Lutheran
Radix Magazine Podcast Interview
Episode 158: A Tale of Congregational Hope and Renewal with Grayhame Bowcott
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