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Is there value in historical analogies?  Yes and no. Many have tried to make comparisons between Donald Trump and Adolph Hitler that end up not being helpful to understand the times we are living in. But then there are other times when looking at how past societies dealt with creeping authoritarianism can serve as a lesson for contemporary politics.  In this conversation, Bethel University professor Chris Gehrz examines the unsettling nature of life under the concept of the dual state, particularly in the context of the Trump administration, and the implications for Christians in the United States and American democracy. Suggested Reading and Listening: One Nation Under a Dual State by Chris Gehrz The Dual State: A Contribution to the Theory of Dictatorship by Ernst Fraenkel America Is Watching the Rise of a Dual State by Aziz Huq The Frightening Precedents for Trump’s ‘Legal Abyss’ by Amanda Taub   Related Episodes: Should Christians Leave Trump's America? with Amy Mantravadi | Episode 245 Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List churchandmain@substack.com Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube

In this conversation, Amy Mantravadi discusses her article on 'the theology of staying,' where she reflects on the historical context of Christianity in Egypt and the challenges faced by Christians in the Middle East. The discussion also delves into Dietrich Bonhoeffer's experiences in Nazi Germany, exploring the complexities of staying or leaving in times of crisis and the church's role in society. We explore Bonhoeffer's commitment to training pastors, his views on military service, and the role of the church in times of crisis. Mantravadi emphasizes the importance of hope and prayer in navigating cultural challenges and the need for a theological foundation in political engagement. The Theology of Staying by Amy Mantravadi Resurrection Hope Amidst the Broken Politics of 2025 with Drew McIntyre | Episode 241   Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List churchandmain@substack.com Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube    

In this conversation, Josh Linman shares his faith journey from being a pastor's kid to founding Common Good Creative, a company focused on enhancing church communication. He discusses the importance of storytelling, community connection, and the role of technology and AI in modern church communication. Linman emphasizes the need for churches to adapt their messaging to resonate with people's desires for relationships, service, and purpose, and shares innovative strategies for welcoming visitors and engaging with the community. Suggested Reading and Listening: Want to Reach New People? Change How You Communicate! By Josh Linman Common Good Creative   Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List churchandmain@substack.com Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube  

In this episode of Church and Main, Ryan Self, a gay Christian from Austin, Texas, discusses LGBTQ inclusion in church communities. Ryan shares his journey from a conservative background to more affirming spaces, highlighting the pitfalls of churches that claim inclusivity yet fail to embody it. We discuss the balance between activism and faith, critiques of superficial inclusivity, and the need for authentic dialogue that honors diverse perspectives.  Suggested Reading and Listening: With ‘allies’ like these, who needs adversaries? God and the Gay Christian (Matthew Vines) How the Gay Rights Movement Radicalized and Lost Its Way (Andrew Sullivan)   Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube

The Emergent Church seemed to be the future of the church, until it wasn't.  Andrew Crowson joins the podcast to discuss how the movement initially attracted young evangelicals by challenging traditional church norms, yet ultimately struggled with its identity and connection to foundational beliefs. Andrew shares insights from his experiences and his article "Are We Back?", pondering if today's context might rekindle the movement with lessons learned from its past.  Are We Back? by Andrew Crowson Dispatches from a God-Bathed World (Andrew's Substack)   Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube  

Where can we find hope in the current political context?  For Methodist pastor Drew McIntyre, that hope took place in an empty tomb when Jesus rose from the dead. Drew and I talk about the distinction between hope and optimism, and the cultural pessimism prevalent in society today. We also look at the significance of the bodily resurrection of Jesus as the foundation of hope, the role of the church in bridging divides, and the importance of practicing hope as a virtue in daily life. The Resurrection isn’t just something we remember on Easter, but it is a living reality, from whence hope springs forth and changes the world. Easter Means Hope, Not Optimism by Drew McIntyre ICE Goes After Church Leaders and Christians Fleeing Persecution by Andy Olsen Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube

 I speak with Cathie Caimano, an Episcopal priest who discusses her journey and the concept of "free-range ministry" as a solution for small congregations. She advocates for flexible, part-time ministry models that empower lay leadership and foster community engagement.  Suggested Reading and Listening: Free Range Priest website Related Episodes: Luther Seminary and the Future of Mainline Protestantism with Rob Myallis | Episode 239 Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube  

In this episode, I take some time to explore the significant changes at Luther Seminary and their implications for mainline Protestantism. With the decision to sell its remaining property by 2027, a reflection of long-standing financial struggles, I discuss insights from Rob Myalis, an ELCA pastor and Luther alumnus, on sustaining a pipeline of pastors. We look at the shift towards experiential learning and its potential impact on future students, as well as the responsibilities of churches to cultivate their own leaders. This insightful discussion on the evolving landscape of theological education and congregational life is both frightening and hopeful. Where will our next pastor come from? Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube

Can evangelism be done in a way that’s both ethical and inclusive? Denise Dollinger and Christina Cernansky, hosts of the podcast "Emissaries of Renewal," join me to discuss the nuances of ethical evangelism. DeDe and CeCe examine the concepts of radical hospitality and inclusivity in today’s religious context, advocating for a reimagined evangelism that prioritizes love and community over guilt and fear. Listen in as these two Episcopal seminarians challenge conventional practices of evangelism, encouraging Christians to envision a more inclusive and transformative approach to faith. Emissaries of Renewal Podcast Emissaries of Renewal Facebook Page Donate to Church and Main Join the Church and Main Email List Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube

In this episode, I talk to Jacob Smith, the rector of Calvary St. George's Episcopal Parish in Manhattan. We compare politics to Halloween and religion to a celebration called All Saints Day, discussing how faith, politics, and today's issues connect. Jacob believes faith should guide our political actions and promote kindness and inclusivity instead of division. We also discuss the problems the church faces about fairness and economic gaps, urging Christians to put their beliefs into action. At the end, Jacob highlights how important worship and community are for bringing people together and giving hope during tough times.  Parish of Calvary-St. George's Same Old Song Podcast Donate to Church and Main Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Twitter | Website | YouTube