
Church and Main
Church and Main is a podcast at the intersection of faith and modern life. Join Pastor Dennis Sanders as he shares the stories of faith interacting with the ever-changing world of the 21st century.
Latest episodes

Apr 25, 2025 • 47min
Redefining Evangelism in an Age of Sadness with Andrew Root | Episode 233
I had a conversation with Andrew Root, who is a theologian and wrote the book "Evangelism in an Age of Despair." We explored how evangelism can serve as a way to comfort others, stressing the importance of real human connections during hard times instead of just trying to get people to attend church. Root criticizes how faith is treated like a product and compares evangelism to the care given in hospitals. We also talked about how people are really focused on being happy and how the church should offer love and comfort to everyone, even those who are against us. Root wants people to try this approach, as it can create true hope and healing in today's society.
Evangelism in An Age of Despair Book
When Church Stops Working Podcast
Church and the Crisis of Decline (Episode 142)
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Apr 16, 2025 • 42min
What "Elbows Up" Means to Canadian Christians with David Harrison | Episode 232
In this episode, we look at the shifting dynamics between Canada and the United States amid rising nationalism, influenced by recent U.S. political rhetoric. I speak with David Harrison, an Anglican priest, about the impact on Canadian Christians navigating economic challenges and national identity. We discuss how churches are providing community support while upholding Christian values in the face of nationalism. Our conversation highlights the importance of dialogue between Canadian and American Christians and the church's role in advocating for compassion and solidarity.
David's Website
Canadian Evangelicals Brace for Trade War (from Christianity Today)
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Apr 11, 2025 • 36min
The Good and Bad of DEI with George Yancey | Episode 231
In this episode, I explore the complex topic of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) within contemporary church teachings and societal dynamics. I engage in a conversation with George Yancey, a Professor of Sociology and Religion, who shares his insights on DEI’s role in fostering inclusive communities amid a polarized political climate. Together, we analyze the implications of DEI, its successes and failures, and the importance of empathetic dialogue that values diverse perspectives. Yancey discusses the church's potential in modeling constructive conversations based on Christian principles of grace and humility.
George Yancey’s website
Beyond Racial Division book
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Apr 4, 2025 • 52min
The Rise and Fall of the United States Institute of Peace with Susie Hayward | Episode 230
We explore the United States Institute of Peace (USIP) with Susie Hayward, a former senior advisor with extensive experience in religion and inclusive societies. Hayward shares insights into USIP's mission, history, and the recent challenges it faces following actions by the Department of Governmental Efficiency. We discuss her personal journey, emphasizing the intersection of faith, activism, and conflict resolution, and highlight USIP's significant contributions in conflict zones like Iraq, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, and Colombia. As we examine the implications of potential disbandment due to government intervention, Hayward underscores the importance of USIP's work and calls for renewed commitment to peacebuilding. The conversation encourages listeners to engage in advocacy for essential institutions that support nonviolent conflict resolution and promote U.S. soft power on the global stage.
United States Institute of Peace (Wikipedia Page)
Washington Post Article on the Firing of USIP employees
Susie Hayward Bio
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Mar 28, 2025 • 54min
USAID, Revisited with Peter Mandeville | Episode 229
I speak with Peter Mandeville, former head of the faith-based office at USAID, about the complexities of U.S. foreign aid and the agency's current challenges. Peter shares his insights on how faith influences international development and discusses recent shifts under the Department of Government Efficiency. We highlight the crucial role of faith-based organizations in humanitarian efforts, warn against the potential dismantling of USAID, and examine the implications for global aid dynamics. This conversation invites listeners to consider the future of U.S. foreign assistance and its impact on vulnerable populations worldwide.
Peter's Bio
A Confessing Church for America’s Weimar Moment
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Mar 21, 2025 • 1h 4min
Staying at the Communion Table in Politically Divisive Times with Jonathan Hall | Episode 228
I talk with Jonathan Hall, the pastor of First Christian Church of North Hollywood, as he shares his experiences in leading a politically diverse congregation. He discusses his journey from Alabama to various church communities, emphasizing the need for open communication on difficult subjects. Through personal anecdotes, he illustrates how empathy can thrive in challenging discussions about contentious issues. Additionally, Jonathan explores the intersection of faith and politics, encouraging listeners to use scripture as a guide for fostering understanding and unity.
Washington Post Article on First Christian-North Hollywood
Dear Son: Raising Faithful, Just, and Compassionate Men
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Mar 14, 2025 • 1h 13min
Second Thoughts from a Republican Refugee with Gretchen Purser | Episode 227
In this episode of Church and Main, I speak with Gretchen Purser, a former Republican operative, about her 20-year experience in national campaigns and her transformation into a "Republican refugee." We discuss her evangelical roots, the GOP's departure from foundational values under Trump, and the intersection of faith and politics. Gretchen calls for grace and understanding towards former Trump supporters and emphasizes the need for the Democratic Party to reconnect with working-class Americans.
The Mess is Mine Podcast with Gretchen Purser
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Mar 7, 2025 • 60min
Finding Hope in Trump 2.0 with David Gray | Episode 226
In this episode, I talk to David Gray, a senior pastor and public policy expert, to discuss the intersection of faith and politics during the Trump administration. We explore how faith communities can provide hope amidst the uncertainties of shifting policies and social climates. David shares his perspective from his pastoral role in a diverse congregation, emphasizing the emotional distress faced by federal workers and marginalized groups. He advocates for churches to be safe havens for support and unity while also stressing the importance of maintaining a long-term outlook on justice. We examine the challenges of secularization and the church's role in fostering compassion and community engagement. This conversation reinforces the call for faith communities to actively contribute to a more hopeful and cohesive society.
David Gray's Bio
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Feb 28, 2025 • 50min
USAID, Church World Service and Foreign Aid with Alex Morse | Episode 225
Alex Morse, Deputy Regional Director for Latin America and the Caribbean at Church World Service joins the podcast to talk about the ramifications of potential changes to the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) on religious organizations. We discuss the challenges faced by NGOs due to recent executive orders impacting foreign aid, and Alex highlights the critical role USAID plays in supporting vulnerable populations globally.
Church World Service website
New York Times article on Supreme Court and USAID
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Feb 21, 2025 • 60min
Why Church Decline Matters with Ben Crosby | Episode 224
Ben Crosby, an Episcopal priest returns to talk about the decline of mainline Protestantism. We discuss his recent article highlighting a 40% drop in attendance in the Anglican Church in Canada, which he argues reflects a broader crisis in engaging new believers and younger generations. Ben challenges the notion that declining numbers are a necessary adjustment in a pluralistic society, asserting that true church vitality encompasses discipleship alongside social justice. We explore the emotional toll on church leaders amid these declines and conclude with a hopeful vision for revitalization, emphasizing the need for mainline churches to balance faith and social action to remain relevant in today's landscape.
The current state of the Anglican Church of Canada
Telling the Truth on Church Decline with Ben Crosby | Episode 132
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