21 Hats Podcast

This week, Gene Marks tells Loren Feldman that the politicians behind Secure 2.0 are smarter than you think. The omnibus spending bill that recently became law includes a slew of changes to the rules that govern retirement benefits. The changes are designed to encourage both employees and owners to sock away more money, and they include a $1,000 tax credit per employee for owners who match employee savings. Plus: are non-compete clauses of any value to small businesses? And the IRS blinks on its requirement that third-party payment platforms issue 1099-K forms.

This week, in episode 137, Jay Goltz explains how he got interested in selling a percentage of his business to his employees and why he quickly lost interest once he started reading books, attending seminars, and talking to accountants and lawyers who specialize in employee stock ownership plans. To Jay’s ear, they all made ESOPs sound expensive, complicated, and risky. This was not something he needed to do. So why go to the trouble? Why take the risk? But he kept asking questions, and over time, he sensed that many of the problems he was being warned about didn’t have to be problems. As of now, he’s pretty much concluded that an ESOP could help him secure retirement for his employees while generating more profit for his business. In fact, he says, “I'm confident I can make more owning 70 percent of the company than I am now owning 100 percent.” But he still has a few lingering questions, which is why we invited Corey Rosen to join the conversation. Corey helped draft the legislation that created ESOPs, he's the founder of the National Center for Employee Ownership, and he literally wrote the book on how the plans work. All of which led to an inevitable question for both Jay and Corey: If ESOPs are so great, why are there so few of them?Show Notes: Here’s Corey Rosen’s most recent book, written with John Case: “Ownership: Reinventing Companies, Capitalism, and Who Owns What.”Here’s a previous book Corey wrote with Scott Rodrick: “Understanding ESOPs.”And here’s a book written by Jack Stack and Bo Burlingham: “A Stake in the Outcome.”

In our last episode of the year, Gene Marks tells Loren Feldman he actually thinks business owners will like the new law in California that will create councils to regulate the fast food industry. In fact, Gene thinks there’s a chance it will succeed and spread to other regions and other industries. He also explains why he thinks businesses should be on Yelp, why he’s still excited about what Elon Musk is doing with Twitter, and why he thinks interest rates will be the small business story of 2023.

This week, in episode 136, Shawn Busse, Jay Goltz, and Sarah Segal talk about what they hope to accomplish in 2023. Sarah’s moving into new offices, aiming for 20-percent growth, and hoping to land a chocolate company as a client. Shawn’s looking for new space, too, and attempting to reposition his business to shake the corrosive effects of the pandemic. And Jay’s employing a methodical 12-step process to assess how his business is performing: Hiring? Check. Pricing? Needs work. Inventory levels? Way out of line. Office technology? Major problems. And then there are his ongoing efforts to mentor his two sons in the business and prepare for the inevitable. These days, Jay tells us, he’s especially careful when getting in front of buses. If you’ve been listening to this podcast, you know our business owners discuss their journeys with unusual candor. But in some episodes we go especially deep. This is one of those episodes.

This week, Gene Marks and Loren Feldman talk about how charging by the hour actually punishes you for being good at your job—but there’s a good reason Gene does it anyway. Plus: Gene also discusses his one concern about hiring ex-offenders and issues a warning to business owners about their remote employees. Gene thinks they’re probably stealing from you.

This week, in episode 135, Shawn Busse, Paul Downs, and Liz Picarazzi talk about their plans and goals for 2023. Shawn, whose marketing efforts still haven’t recovered from the pandemic, is hoping to build on the success of a recent event. Paul, coming off his best year ever, is investing $150,000 in a marketing campaign, including a new website targeting a different set of customers. And Liz, too, is attempting to shift her customer base, in her case from residential to municipal work. More immediately, however, Liz, who does not relish dealing with legal issues, has to decide how to confront a copycat competitor.

Gene Marks tells Loren Feldman that he’s concerned that not enough business owners are thinking about the future and preparing for succession. Which leads to an obvious question: Does Gene have a succession plan? Hmmm. Plus: Gene has some suggestions for how businesses can better manage their relationships with vendors and suppliers. And what lessons should we take from the rampant fraud being revealed in the PPP program?

This week, in episode 134, Shawn Busse, Jay Goltz, and Laura Zander talk about the buying and selling of businesses. Laura thinks her recent purchase of a small distribution business could change the trajectory of her whole company, helping her finesse the challenge of selling wholesale products to her retail competitors. Jay, meanwhile, has been trying to help an aging business owner sell the kind of business that too often just fades away. Underlying both discussions is an intriguing question: While it’s common practice for owners trying to sell their business to keep the potential sale a secret, fearing employees might otherwise flee, is that really the best approach? Or is it actually a betrayal? Plus: We answer a listener's question about finding the right balance between being a kind boss and being a pushover. And we play a quick game of Who Said It: Elon Musk or Mr. Burns?

This week, in episode 133, Paul Downs and Sarah Segal talk about their experiences negotiating, what they’ve learned and where they’ve struggled. One key factor, of course, is defining what constitutes a successful negotiation. As Paul points out, one definition is squeezing every last penny out of the other side. That is not Paul’s definition, especially when negotiating salary with a new employee. Sarah, meanwhile, discusses the tactics she uses to try to guide potential clients to the price and options she hopes they will accept. Plus: Sarah explains how she picked her new office space, and Paul explains why his experience with a Vistage peer group has been life-changing.

This week, Gene Marks tells Loren Feldman that he’s had it with “quiet quitting,” side hustles, and employees who won’t go the extra mile. It’s time, he says, for them to get to work. And if they don’t? Gene says they’re going to be looking for work, and it could happen much sooner than they realize. On a related note, Gene is also very excited about the “hardcore” changes Elon Musk is bringing to Twitter. We’ll see how that works out!