

The Chad & Cheese Podcast
Evergreen Podcasts
Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Mar 31, 2021 • 30min
Redefining HR w/ Lars Schmidt
If you've been in employment for any period of time, you know Lars Schmidt, author of the Bestselling Book, "Redefining HR," podcast host, founder at Amplify, and Fast Company contributor. If you don't know Lars, well, let us introduce you. Hot off the presses of his latest book, the boys dig into everything swimming around in Lars' head at the moment. And trust us, it's a deep, deep dive. Enjoy, the water's warm.Knowledge building goodness powered by Sovren AI so human you'll want to take it to dinner.
Mar 29, 2021 • 32min
What's Your COVID Brand?
Just when you thought you had that whole employer brand game figured out, along comes a pandemic and tosses that EB playbook right out the window. Expert Neil Harrison joins the boys to discuss brand strategy in the age of COVID. Needless to say, it's a masterclass in how to resuscitate your employment brand and give it a much-needed vaccine shot right in the arm.Questions:
Will making vaccines mandatory kill a brand?
How do employers recreate a sense of community?
Will your talent/employer brand be more important than ever before?
Can the vaccine be seen as a civic duty or is it too late?
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Mar 26, 2021 • 48min
LinkedIn We Have A Problem
There’s bad, there’s rotten and then there’s LinkedIn’s job board strategy. It’s like peeling an onion and the boys are almost in tears covering this story, as well as
game-changing news from Zoom,
Buy or Sell with Fetcher, Unicorn Lattice, and Visage,
a 28-year-old earns $300k+ on Fiverr doing what?
Goldman Sachs continues the beatings,
while CitiGroiup optics soar.
... Wait did we mention rumors on iCIMS and Mya the chatbot?
Get comfy and enjoy another Jobvite, JobAdx, and Sovren powered podcast.

Mar 24, 2021 • 4min
Fundraising Galore: Visage, Fetcher, Lattice
The Shred is a bite-sized bit of recruitment news to help make sure you’re in-the-know, even if you’re on-the-go. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.
Mar 24, 2021 • 40min
Rick Rolled w/ Rick Carsley
The guest so nice, we had to have him on twice. Listeners will remember a red-hot interview Chad & Cheese did in 2020 with IKEA's Rick Carsley, and luckily for everyone, he's back on the podcast. Now with Freedom Mortgage, Rick heads up TA and, as usual, he doesn't pull any punches on recruiting tech he likes and doesn't like. It's a must-listen for anyone shopping around for the latest industry tools.Rick Rolling and this podcast powered by Sovren AI.
Mar 22, 2021 • 28min
Firing Squad: SponTea Coffee's Viktoria Sheyko
COVID has made online video incredibly popular in the workplace, but it's also made human connections harder to come by. And engaging with new people at work is almost impossible. That's why startups like Spontea Coffee are so interesting, they bring together online videos with a spontaneous human connection. But do they have the chops to survive the Firing Squad? Being recent winners of the HR Hackathon says they do, but Chad & Cheese will have the Final Word.Powered by THE REVOLUTION!
Mar 19, 2021 • 48min
LinkedIn Job Boards Like It's 1999
Stick around in this industry long enough and you may see something like a mobile stock trading app called Robinhood acquire a staffing firm. Yeah, that really happened. Hard to top that news, but..
Uber finally treating drivers like human beings in the UK,
SmartRecruiters getting smarter,
Charter kicks wages in the ass
LinkedIn suffering an identity crisis
WeWork? Nope, I'm gonna WorkChew!
Dice innovates... HA!
Zoom-inspired Botox comes pretty close. Plus lots more
Enjoy this St. Patty’s Day hangover-inspired episode, powered by JobAdx, Sovren, and Jobvite.

Mar 18, 2021 • 4min
Robinhood (Yes, *That* Robinhood) Acquires Staffing Firm
The Shred is a bite-sized bit of recruitment news to help make sure you’re in-the-know, even if you’re on-the-go. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.
Mar 17, 2021 • 24min
The State of Programmatic Job Ads
Performance-based ads have become a highly-adopted and powerful tool for Marketing departments throughout the world, and yet it hasn't in Recruitment Marketing. So, what is the state of programmatic job advertising in the recruitment world? Madeline Laurano, Founder of Aptitude Research shares information from newly published research entitled The State of Programmatic Job Advertising.
Are performance-driven ads the answer to more effective recruitment advertising?
What happens when employers embrace performance-based programmatic?
Why aren't employers jumping on the bandwagon?
What is the key differentiator for programmatic?
Can anyone do programmatic?
...or should Marketing be involved?
Great research coupled with Madeline's HOT TAKES on news from last week in the recruitment industry. Brought to you by those crazy programmatic kids over at Pandologic.
Mar 15, 2021 • 23min
Shakin' It Up w/ John Graham
For the most part, Corporate America sucks at Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. Wait, you don't believe me? Look at the numbers for this nearly 60-year-old practice. In most organizations, today money is thrown at training, messaging, and an inability to match one's brand articulation with reality.Enter John Graham, a diversity leader with a recruitment marketing and branding background, not to mention practical experience with logos like Amgen and Merck.But wait there's more...Shaker Recruitment Marketing, a nearly 70 year-old agency, barges in the room and plants its DEI stake in the ground by hiring John as their VP of Employment Brand, Diversity, and Culture.


