

The Chad & Cheese Podcast
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Sep 8, 2021 • 4min
Dice Invests $3M in The Muse
The Shred is a bite-sized bit of recruitment news to help make sure you’re in-the-know, even if you’re on-the-go. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.
Sep 6, 2021 • 24min
Ep5 -- Moving Fast & Breaking Shit w/ Amy Butchko
Welcome back to VOICES w/ Amy Butchko SAIC's Director of Talent Acquisition Solutions. This is the final episode of this 5 part binge-able series. We pick up the conversation around a debate in HR about augmentation vs. robots enjoy. TOPICS:- Augmentation over Robots- Building Recruitment Teams- Wage inequity solutions- Moving Fast and Breaking Shit!
Sep 6, 2021 • 25min
Ep4 -- Treat AI like a Puppy w/ Amy Butchko
welcome back to VOICES w/ Amy Butchko SAIC's Director of Talent Acquisition Solutions. This is episode 4 or a 5 part binge-able series. You're gonna love this episode! TOPICS:- The Great Resignation- Talent Pipelines are not instant- Where are the robots?!?- AI is a puppy
Sep 6, 2021 • 25min
Ep3 -- Last Sourcer Standing w/ Amy Butchko
Welcome back to VOICES w/ Amy Butchko SAIC's Director of Talent Acquisition Solutions. This is episode 3 or a 5 part binge-able series. We pick up the conversation around building a Talent Solutions team from the ground up - enjoy! TOPICS:- Building Teams - Is AI sourcing the futrure?- Overbuilt job descriptions- Does social media drive hires?
Sep 6, 2021 • 22min
Ep2 -- Win Friends & Influence Budget w/ Amy Butchko
Welcome back to VOICES w/ Amy Butchko SAIC's Director of Talent Acquisition Solutions. This is episode 2 or a 5 part binge-able series. We pick up the conversation with me challenging Amy on hiring company "special self-inflicted needs" when it comes to technology and yes I just used air quotes - enjoy! TOPICS:- Imploding your hiring process- Engineering a new apply process- Marketing infused nurturing and hiring- CROs are people too... and they have budget :)
Sep 6, 2021 • 21min
Ep 1 -- The Struggle is Real w/ Amy Butchko
Hey it's Chad, it's been a minute since we've had a deep dive VOICES series and after speaking with Amy Butchko, SAIC's Director of Talent Solutions I knew a single 20-minute podcast wouldn't be enough and instead of dropping these one podcast at a time we're doing it Netflix style so you can easily discover and binge the entire series - enjoy! TOPICS:- Internet Recruitment 2000- From Rolodex to automation- The rise of Jobs2Web? - Why don't employers fix their shitty UX?
Sep 3, 2021 • 46min
Checkr Yourself Before You Wreck Yourself
Nobody likes boring, but you will enjoy some highly profitable tech sprinkled in with a little messaging cool shit here and there,On this week's pod:
Background check solution (zzzzz) Checkr now has a $4.6 billion valuation after raising $250 million.
Workstream and TalkPush are making big waves in the messaging space - one of which hopes to turn Instagram into a recruitment juggernaut!
Then Solo, a well pedigreed and funded Seattle-based startup that is empowering gig workers to make more.
And who wins the DARWIN AWARD this week? ZipRecruiter or LinkedIn?
Enjoy another enlightened episode, powered as always by Sovren, Jobvite, and JobAdx.

Sep 1, 2021 • 4min
IPO Anyone? Checkr Raises $250M at $4.6B Valuation
The Shred is a bite-sized bit of recruitment news to help make sure you’re in-the-know, even if you’re on-the-go. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Sep 1, 2021 • 29min
Bro, Do You Even Transform?
What do you get when you mash up 4 podcasts into one? Lots of voices and even more opinions. > Debbie Tuel from The Joy Podcast > Julie Sowash and Torin Ellis from Crazy and The King podcast > and Tim Sackett from the HR Famous podcast join the boys to talk about:- Why are recruiters so damn hard to find? - Does recruiter experience matter?- Why is Europe a decade behind on the US in DEI?- and when will women come back to the workforce, specifically recruiting? - Are companies doing enough in DEI? - It's People, Process, Technology dummy! - Working harder is not a sustainable business strategyThis show coming to you pre-recorded from Transform Detroit LIVE brought to you by Symphony Talent. Enjoy!
Aug 30, 2021 • 37min
Firing Squad: Willo's Euan Cameron
Video recruiting is red hot right now. All the kids are doing it, which also means only a few will get to sit at the cool table at lunchtime. This leads us to Willo, a spunky startup from Scotland who thinks they can bring video to the masses. Automation? A.I.? Machine learning? Nah, that's not the play. Instead, free forever and an aggressive integration strategy are at the heart of this company. Sounds nice, but will it pass the Firing Squad?Gotta listen to find out.Firing Squad is supported by the genius-level programmatic jobs and performance-driven platform we all know as PANDOLOGIC! Target the right candidates and spend less cash by using Pandologic today!


