

The Chad & Cheese Podcast
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Jul 6, 2022 • 44min
Personio Builds a Moat in Europe
Love recruiting news out of Germany? Then you're going to love this week's show. Deutschland is blowing up! The boys are talkin' Personio becoming Europe's most valuable privately-owned HR tech company, WorkMotion raising money to take on Remote, Deel, Oyster, Velocity Global and others in the global employer-of-record provider market, and unicorn-in-training NowJobs has opened its doors in Germany. We even interview NowJobs GM and cofounder Eline Davis on the state of the business.Plus, we all learn the meaning of the word bumpkin. Viel Spaß!

Jul 1, 2022 • 42min
Deel Acquires, Nomad Expands & Cyber Attacks
Independence Day is upon us and this week’s show is more exciting than an alien invasion, minus the Will Smith. It’s full of tragedy: 27 states’ employment websites have suffered a cyber-attack. It’s got takeovers: Deel acquires a foothold in APAC. Lives being saved: Nomad Health grows its healthcare pie to empower nurses nationwide. Cash money: Pave hopes to bring salary management to a global workforce. It’s even got nuclear-powered hotel flights and some Josh Bersin bashing (Chad’s favorite). You’re welcome.Commence the fireworks and chill the PBR!

Jun 29, 2022 • 33min
Interview: Robert Kerbeck, "Ruse: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street"
If you heard a B-list actor, but an A-list corporate spy was on The Chad & Cheese Podcast, would you listen? Well, today's your lucky day. The boys welcome Robert Kerbeck, author of "Ruse: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street," to the podcast. Through a career that started in the '80s, peaked during the Y2K scare and continues today through folklore, the podcast explores tips and tricks - not only for corporate espionage - but for recruiting / poaching, job searching, and even corporate security.Oh, and there are stories about O.J., Madonna, and Steve Jobs too. Enjoy.

Jun 27, 2022 • 36min
Firing Squad: Visage's Joss Leufrancois
Is the future of recruiting entirely automated? Is it more of the same? Some think it's a hybrid. That's why we invited Joss Leufrancois, CEO of Visage, to come on Firing Squad and tell us about their solution which helps combine the best of both worlds. But is A.I. and traditional sourcing a match made in heaven or are they on a collision course to the depths of hell? Ooooh, dramatic. Gotta listen to find out.

Jun 24, 2022 • 43min
JobGet Takes Aim at Jobcase
Who doesn't love a good underdog story?The upstart hoping to make noise in an established market. That's why you'll love this weekly episode. Jobget looks to take on Jobcase and Snagajob with a new round of funding.
Fountain puts on the gloves to fight against the Old Guard ATS business.
Cornerstone OnDemand acquires an old business to supercharge a new one.
Buy-or-Sell with
-- CEIPAL, Wilco, and Canditech is full of startups looking to dislodge the status quo....and then there's Amazon, which really doesn't fit the underdog narrative, but hey, did you expect perfection from this podcast? Of course not. But we throw in some shrimp Po' Boys to make you feel better about life.Enjoy.

Jun 23, 2022 • 4min
JobGet Just Got Lotsa Cash
The Shred is a bite-sized bit of recruitment news to help make sure you’re in-the-know, even if you’re on-the-go. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Jun 22, 2022 • 44min
Love or Hate TestGorilla
Summer is officially here and things are really starting to heat-up in Europe. Adzuna and Textkernel just made some really interesting acquisitions. TestGorilla wants to be, um, the 800-lb. gorilla in the assessment space. And Paris-based CleverConnect has "merged" with Munich-based Talentry in what is destined to become another marriage made in heaven between France and Germany (insert sarcasm). Lieven is out sick this week, but Bas Van Haterd from the Netherlands is here to fill-in.

Jun 20, 2022 • 39min
Fill, Equip, & Win w/ Chloe and Allison
Okay people, aren't we asking way too much of recruiters? Source, outreach, schedule, interview, provide a white glove experience and don't forget about creating, distributing, and engaging on original and genuine content. Wait, content? Well, on this week's Cult Brand podcast Chad and Julie bring employer brand veterans Chloe Rada and Allison Kruse to discuss practical recruiter enablement tips and tricks. From winning hearts with data to filling minds, equipping hands, and winning hearts. You're welcome!

Jun 17, 2022 • 49min
Adzuna & TextKernel Devour
While Joel wanders the Canadian plains petting Moose and trying to convince Canadian geese to stay in Canada we are honored to have Jenny Cotie Kangas, aka JCK, stepping into the guest host slot and on this week's show EUROPE is HUNGRY, the world will soon be over now that Google's version of Skynet is ALIVE, Microsoft is kinder and gentler and who knew business coaching was so damned important?Who knew? Strap-in kids it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Jun 15, 2022 • 38min
A.I. Hiring Tools: The Wild West?
The Wild Wild West wasn't just a hit song from Kool Moe Dee in the '80s, it's also how workers' rights expert and Senior Policy Counsel for Worker Privacy with the Center for Democracy & Technology, Matt Scherer describes the current state of A.I. in the world of work. With lawsuits, state-by-state regulations and minefields as far as the eye can see, this interview is a must for employers looking to buy A.I. recruiting tools, vendors building A.I. tools and for everyone in between. Are we any closer to taming the Wild West?Gotta listen to find out.


