

The Chad & Cheese Podcast
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Aug 31, 2022 • 22min
Upgraded Robot-Proof Recruiter
Katrina Collier, author of "The Robot-Proof Recruiter" is one of our favorite guests to have on. Aside from being a proud Gen X’er and sharing a birthday with Chad (same year and everything), she is a well-loved global keynote speaker, and host of The Hiring Partner Perspective (Unedited) podcast. We chatted with her when the 1st Edition of the book came out, pre-pandemic, but the 2nd edition is just as appetizing. In it, Katrina teaches companies how to recruit without an existing online presence, and she covers the unexpected impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on recruiting in detail. Oh yeah, and there are plenty of new case studies to discuss. Enjoy.

Aug 29, 2022 • 37min
Should You Repel Candidates?
The U.S. Marines have made a career out of recruiting based on letting 18-year-olds know how tough and challenging becoming a Marine actually is. It's a concept that can also work for businesses of all sizes. That's why we invited Charlotte Marshall, director, global employer brand & recruitment marketing expert & best selling author of “Give and Get Employer Branding Repel the Many and Compel the Few with Impact, Purpose and Belonging” on the podcast. In it, Charlotte reveals why the most effective employer brands don’t attract candidates; they repel them. This episode is part of our Cult Brand series, sponsored by RecruitmentMarketing.com and the boys are joined by Julie Calli.

Aug 26, 2022 • 4min
RUMOR ALERT - SmartRecruiters & Snagajob
It's The Shred a mini-Chad and Cheese bite of Breaking News -- This is Chad SowashThis Shred entails two big moves from two big brands. RUMOR ALERT #1 -- SmartRecruiters c-level cutsRUMOR ALERT #2 -- Snagajob reduction

Aug 26, 2022 • 45min
iCIMS' New Sugar Mama
Quiet quitting, boomeranging and petitioning ... Oh my! This episode has it all. In addition to covering some of the hottest trends in work this week, the boys cover big news out of iCIMS and play some Buy-or-Sell with Sabanto, Growthspace, and Modern Loop (again). Plus, Lowe's latest news is a down-low, dirty shame, and Indeed gets into bed with TikTok. Your ears are already thanking you, aren't they?

Aug 25, 2022 • 7min
Shredded: Roleshare, GrowthSpace, Haystack, RecruitLab, Sabanto, ModernLoop & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Aug 24, 2022 • 39min
Personio vs. HiBob
Love a good ole fashioned unicorn cage match? How about some buy-or-sell with three of Europe’s hottest recruiting startups? This episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast Dies Europe has all that, featuring HiBob, Personio, Haystack, RoleShare, and more. We even throw in chicken Big Macs, dancing PMs, and the state of healthcare recruiting vendors on the continent. Lieven and The Boys bring their A-Game to this one.Enjoy.

Aug 22, 2022 • 28min
A Change in the World w/ Steve Pemberton
Steve Pemberton is Best Selling Author, Philanthropist, Acclaimed Speaker, and Senior Level Executive. He wasn't given a chance in the world; he proved them wrong. Steve's chance is now focused on change. In this interview we talk about the pace of change, the fluidity of change, scaling belief and purpose, the end state of remote work, the future of equity, who was responsible for getting companies through the pandemic, and more. Steve was not given a chance in the world and now he's changing it. Enjoy!

Aug 19, 2022 • 43min
HiBob? More Like "Hi Unicorn!"
What recession? This week, we have two new unicorns and another on its way in HiBob, Incredible Health and 15Five. Needless to say, however, we're not particularly bullish on every one. What's more, Whole Foods says, "Get off my lawn," and Adam Neuman of WeWork fame goes full Svengali on his new startup, Flow, to the tune of $350 million for an idea that will allegedly take form sometime in 2023. What could possibly go wrong? Oh yeah, we even talk about LinkedIn's "crying CEO" that's blowing up the socials this week. You're welcome! Now go sign-up for a chance to win free stuff at www.chadcheese.com.

Aug 18, 2022 • 8min
Shredded: HiBob, Incredible Health, 15Five, SumTotal, Cornerstone OnDemand, Bacon & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Aug 17, 2022 • 31min
Chatbot Evolution w/ Sumit Gupta
Your life really isn't complete until you've gotten a complete breakdown of the past, present, and future of recruiting chatbots. That's why we asked PandoLogic CTO Sumit Gupta on the podcast to get a breakdown. Turns out, that chatbot may not be the correct label, considering job seekers have interviews with virtual Brad Pitt and Darth Vader to look forward to. Yeah, really. You gotta listen to this episode if you want a real taste of the future of recruiting. Or at least one company's vision of it.


