

The Chad & Cheese Podcast
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Mar 7, 2023 • 35min
The People MBA with Jeff Lackey
You've heard it before: "HR deserves a seat at the table." It's far from reality for most organizations that see talent acquisition as a cost center and not the heartbeat of any successful company. That's why we invited Jeff Lackey, founder and CEO at JKL Advisors and podcast host of 'Growing Your Business with People' to come to give some sound advice on how Human Resources can get off the sidelines and into the game. A great discussion for newbies and grizzled veterans alike.

Mar 6, 2023 • 8min
Shredded: WorkLlama, Bonusly, Leapgen, Gable, Robin AI, Bitwise Industries, Mercer & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Mar 3, 2023 • 55min
Indeed's House of Cards
Joel is haggard from 2,000 miles on the road this week, but that's nothing a beer, chicken tenders, a LIVE recording from a bar in Columbus Indiana, and BIG NEWS can't fix.What big news?
Google for Jobs PAID ads present a serious risk to Indeed's new CPSA model
ChatGPT presents a serious risk to Indeed's new CPSA model
Indeed's model change wasn't timed well
Workday's A.I. goes to court
Mercer gets a shot of LeapGen botox
and Buy or Sell with WorkLlama, Bonusly, and Gable...
Sit back, pop a cold one, and enjoy what we do best - drink and talk.You're welcome!

Mar 1, 2023 • 45min
Big in Deutschland
Joel takes this week off from the Europe show but leaves a little Virtual Cheese behind for the listeners.On this week's show:
American companies make a vanity play with workers,
Facebook steals instead of innovating,
Lieven digs into House of HR's big acquisition in Germany
Buy or Sell featuring Willo, Crew, and Brigad
Plus the newest Serbian delegate to Pornhub
Gern geschehen!

Feb 27, 2023 • 28min
Reunion Squad: BrightHire's Teddy Chestnut
Reunited, and it feels so good. Last time we talked to Teddy Chestnut cofounder at Brighthire - the self-proclaimed “first interview intelligence platform” - they were cleaning on big applauses on Firing Squad. That was way back before the pandemic, and needless to say, the world is different. So how are things going. Chad & Cheese bring Teddy back check-in on the startup that was founded back in 2019 and has raised almost $40 million. Even Peaches and Herb would be envious.

Feb 24, 2023 • 45min
Plum Cash & Indeed Trashed
You’re gonna feel this one, way deep down in your plums. While the number of companies getting over $50 million in funding these days is light, the number of companies getting millions isn’t waning. That’s why we highlight companies like Plum.io, Workpay, LaborWorx and HireLogic, who’ve gotten funding this week. Want some AI with your startups, we cover news of artificial intelligence algos making layoff decisions at employers. Want some news from the world of remote work? Got that too. Amazon is pivoting to 3-day workweeks, a study of companies going with 4-day workweeks was a great hit and employers who’ve take tax incentives may find themselves forcing employees back to the office. Of course, what episode would be complete with more roasting of Indeed and their new pricing structure; expect this time, the trash talking comes from the buyers on the ground.

Feb 23, 2023 • 7min
Shredded: Plum, Finch, Empyrean, Workpay, Hirelogic, Fring, Laborworx & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Feb 22, 2023 • 11min
The DACH Bubble w/ Wolfgang Brickwedde
If you believe Europe is a major player in the HR tech landscape - we certainly do - then you need to pay special attention to Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, a region where much of the continental growth is happening. To prove that point, Chad & Cheese had Wolfgang Brickwedde, Director of the Institute for Competitive Recruiting on the podcast while hanging out at UNLEASH in Paris. Based in Germany, "Wolfie" is uniquely positioned to give us a deep dive into this crucial region's role in recruitment globally, not just in Europe.

Feb 17, 2023 • 45min
Has Indeed Gone Too Far?
Has Indeed finally gone too far? We dig into the latest from the Indeed / Glassdoor cartel. Their new pricing model is giving customers fits, stickin' it to small- and medium-sized businesses, and in some cases, making taxpayers foot the bill for their evil deeds. Then it’s time for a little Who’d Ya' Rather with Magic.dev and Kanarys. Jumping into Upwork's new full-time offering and a trip back in time where child labor is all the rage in Minnesota and Iowa follow what’s already a bangin' episode. Want more? We dissect bounced checks, unhappy customers, and ruined Thailand vacations, compliments of Starbucks.

Feb 16, 2023 • 7min
Shredded: Fountain, Kanarys, Magic.dev, Willo, Crew, Adecco & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.


