

The Chad & Cheese Podcast
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Oct 28, 2024 • 17min
Green Room: The Realist Recruiter
Live from the Shaker Recruitment Marketing Green Room at RecFest in Nashville! In the podcast, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman, dive into the evolving world of recruitment with Joel Lalgee, founder and lead recruiter at The Realist Recruiter. Lalgee, who transitioned from an agency recruiter to building his personal brand online during COVID, shares insights on the recruitment landscape. He emphasizes the importance of authenticity in recruitment, advocating for recruiters to be more human in their approach. The discussion highlights how companies are increasingly turning to social media for recruitment, stressing the creation of relatable content and the strategic use of social media influencers to align with company culture and target audience preferences. They explore the future of recruitment, predicting a rise in independent recruiters and Recruitment Process Outsourcing (RPO) models that leverage technology. Lalgee outlines his plans for 2025, focusing on content creation and establishing an RPO model, alongside discussing effective strategies for content distribution across various platforms to engage audiences more effectively.

Oct 25, 2024 • 37min
Indeed Infringes (allegedly)
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel and Chad discuss a variety of topics including Snoop Dogg's decision to turn down a $100 million offer from OnlyFans, the ongoing legal challenges faced by Indeed, and Upwork's launch of a new AI feature named Uma. They also share personal updates, travel plans, and insights into the fantasy football league, while providing shoutouts to industry figures and discussing market trends.Takeaways
Snoop Dogg's decision reflects his brand awareness.
Compliance companies can be surprisingly profitable.
Travel can take a toll on health and well-being.
Indeed faces legal challenges that could set precedents.
Upwork's new AI features aim to enhance user experience.
Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Shoutouts02:49 - Industry Insights and Market Trends06:04 - The Power of Compliance and Legalities09:12 - Travel Plans and Personal Updates11:56 - Fantasy Football Roundup15:00 - Indeed's Legal Challenges18:05 - Upwork's New AI Features20:53 - Snoop Dogg's $100 Million Decision33:57 - Closing Thoughts and Dad JokesKeywordsChad and Cheese Podcast, Snoop Dogg, Indeed, Upwork, Fantasy Football, Market Trends, Compliance, Legal Challenges, Industry Insights, Personal Updates

Oct 24, 2024 • 8min
Shredded: Randstad, Paradox, Bullhorn, Freelance.com, Upwork, Robert Half, MPAY & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Oct 23, 2024 • 44min
Equity Served Hot
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese podcast, Chad and Cheese chat with Maria Colacurcio, CEO at Syndio, Alim Dhanji, CHRO, TD SYNNEX, and Ana White, EVP and Chief People Officer at Lumen to discuss the critical issues surrounding workplace equity, the importance of data-driven approaches, and the impact of recent legal changes on DEI initiatives. The conversation highlights the need for transparency, the role of AI in reducing bias, and real stories of how pay equity adjustments have positively affected employees' lives. Achieving equity is an ongoing journey that requires commitment from leadership and a culture of inclusion.ENJOY!

Oct 21, 2024 • 39min
Immigration Myth Busting w/ Prof. Zeke Hernandez.
In this episode, Zeke Hernandez, a professor at the Wharton School, discusses the complexities of immigration in the U.S., addressing both legal and illegal immigration, the economic contributions of immigrants, and the need for reform in immigration policies.The conversation also hits head-on the challenges faced by high-skilled immigrants and the implications of America's outdated immigration system. Prof Zeke discusses the multifaceted impact of immigration on the labor market, economy, culture, and job creation in the U.S.Prof Zeke addresses the historical context of cultural assimilation and offers strategies for engaging in difficult conversations about immigration.Chapters00:00 - Introduction to Zeke Hernandez03:02 - The Truth About Immigration06:10 - Understanding Legal vs. Illegal Immigration09:11 - Investment Contributions of Immigrants12:01 - The Need for High-Skilled Immigration14:52 - America's Brain and Muscle Drain17:49 - The Impact of Immigrants on Job Markets20:56 - The Impact of Immigration on the Labor Market24:53 - Economic Growth and Immigrant Contributions26:48 - Challenges of the Current Immigration System28:53 - Cultural Assimilation and Historical Perspectives31:00 - Navigating Difficult Conversations on Immigration34:43 - The Economic Consequences of Mass DeportationKeywordsimmigration, economy, legal immigration, illegal immigration, investment, job creation, high-skilled workers, brain drain, muscle drain, Zeke Hernandez, immigration, labor market, economic growth, cultural assimilation, immigration system, difficult conversations, mass deportation, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris

Oct 18, 2024 • 46min
ADP Drops Coin
In this episode of The Chad & Cheese podcast, hosts Joel and Chad discuss a variety of topics including the current political climate, recent layoffs in the industry, sports updates, and the acquisition of Workforce Software by ADP. They share their thoughts on the implications of these events and provide shout outs to notable figures and companies in the recruitment and technology space.In this conversation, Chad and Joel discuss the competitive landscape of HR tech, focusing on ADP's strategic moves in response to emerging competitors. They analyze SEEK's acquisition strategy and its implications for the market. The discussion shifts to the ongoing debates around minimum wage, highlighting the economic impacts of wage increases.They also explore Tulsa's innovative remote work initiative aimed at revitalizing the local economy. Finally, they address the critical issue of workplace safety and accountability in light of a tragic incident involving a factory worker.Chapters00:00- -Introduction to the Podcast and Current Events02:56-Political Climate and Its Impact05:55 - Sports Updates and Reactions08:52 -Shout Outs and Promotions11:56 -Layoffs in the Industry15:03 - ADP's Acquisition of Workforce Software19:40 - ADP's Competitive Landscape and Strategic Moves22:22 - Seek's Acquisition Strategy and Market Focus24:35 - The Buy, Build, or Partner Dilemma27:19 -Minimum Wage Discussions and Economic Impacts35:10 - Tulsa's Remote Work Initiative and Economic Revitalization42:24 - Workplace Safety and Accountability in Tragic IncidentsKeywordspodcast, layoffs, acquisitions, political climate, sports updates, ADP, workforce software, job search, technology, automation, ADP, Seek, minimum wage, Tulsa Remote, workplace safety, HR tech, economic impact, acquisition strategy, competitive landscape, remote work

Oct 17, 2024 • 8min
Shredded: Randstad, Workday, LinkedIn, SmartRecruiters, SEEK, ADP, Flip, Xref, FaceUp & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Oct 16, 2024 • 29min
HR Tech Talks: Rebecca Carr
When we last spoke to Rebecca Carr, she was the interim CEO at SmartRecuiters, a popular ATS. Fortunately, the "interim" title has been removed and now she's just CEO. Of course, that comes with a whole new set of challenges, and we were more than happy to visit with her at the HR Technology conference to check-in on how it all went down, what's the current state of the business and what the future holds. It's a candid look into the inner workings of SmartRecruiters, as well as so other players in the recruitment space.

Oct 14, 2024 • 13min
Green Room: Rachel Morgan
Buckle up, folks! This episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast comes straight from the green room at Recfest USA in Nashville, sponsored by Shaker Recruitment Marketing. Chad and Joel sit down with the one and only Rachel Morgan, VP of Client Services at Shaker, to talk about the glamorous world of recruitment marketing—mimosas in hand, of course.Rachel takes us on a wild ride from her days of wrestling with job boards (RIP SimplyHired) to the modern marvels of programmatic advertising and employer branding. Spoiler alert: AI is still the buzzword, and job seekers are still stuck in application limbo. Rachel drops some truth bombs.And for you TikTok skeptics out there, prepare to clutch your pearls—yes, people are finding career advice and jobs on the same platform where they learn to dance badly in 15 seconds.But the real meat of the episode? It’s all about gatekeeping! Want to get your shiny new HR tech in front of Shaker? Be prepared for some "American Idol" realness, where only the best get through.Enjoy!

Oct 11, 2024 • 43min
Indeed Sues ZipRecruiter
The legal showdown between Indeed and ZipRecruiter reveals competitive tensions in the job market. Recent layoffs at CareerBuilder and Monster raise eyebrows amid their merger. Waymo's autonomous cars promise a stress-free ride, while Spirit Halloween's business success is a fun surprise. MrBeast's Vouch platform aims to reshape hiring but faces skepticism. As podcasting grows as a cultural force, the hosts sprinkle humor with Halloween jokes and reflections on tech's impact on recruitment.


