

Why Should I Trust You?
Brinda Adhikari, Tom Johnson, Maggie Bartlett, Dr. Mark Abdelmalek
Bold, unfiltered, and uncompromisingly honest, Why Should I Trust You? is a weekly podcast that looks at the breakdown in trust for science and public health. It drops every Thursday, with occasional additional special episodes sprinkled in. Hosted by Brinda Adhikari, the former executive producer of “The Problem with Jon Stewart” and a former TV news journalist; Tom Johnson, the former executive producer of “The Circus,” and also a former TV news journalist; Dr. Maggie Bartlett, a virologist and assistant research professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health; and Dr. Mark Abdelmalek a skin cancer surgeon, a medical journalist and a dermatologist practicing in Philadelphia - each week we try to figure out what is behind this staggering collapse in trust and see if we can rebuild towards trust again.
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Dec 18, 2025 • 59min
The Kids Are Not All Right. Should We Be Looking At Their School Day? A Conversation w NYT writer Jia Lynn Yang
**This will be our last episode in 2025! We will be back in early January 2026! Have a happy holiday season and a huge thank you for listening!!**Are our schools making our kids sick? Not because of moldy buildings or bad cafeteria food, but because of what the modern school day has become.From increased screens in the class and shrinking free time to teachers and administrators forced to focus more and more time on prep for standardized testing, schools today would be nearly unrecognizable to many parents. So, too, are the soaring rates of ADHD, anxiety, and depression among children.In this episode, we’re joined by New York Times reporter Jia Lynn Yang to discuss her provocative piece, “America’s Children Are Unwell. Are Schools Part of the Problem?” We examine what impact a school day increasingly organized around screens, metrics, and test prep is having on children’s mental health and even childhood itself. At a moment when a great deal of attention is focused on how social media and phones are impacting teen mental health, Yang argues it’s time to scrutinize the place where kids spend most of their week: school.Could this be a rare area where MAHA and public health actually agree?Hosts:Brinda AdhikariTom JohnsonMaggie BartlettDr. Mark AbdelmalekGuest:Jia Lynn Yang, Senior Ideas Writer, The New York Times, author of the recent article, "America's Children Are Unwell. Are Schools Part of the Problem?"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/24/magazine/youth-mental-health-crisis-schools.htmlThanks for listening! If you like us, please leave a review, rate us, and please subscribe! Got questions? Comments? We'd love to hear from you! Email us at questions@whyshoulditrustyou.net

Dec 11, 2025 • 1h 18min
The ACIP Turning Point: A Rallying Cry For A New Era of Public Health. A Talk w Drs. Craig Spencer, Rachael Bedard & Michael Mina
In a thought-provoking discussion, Dr. Michael Mina, an influential epidemiologist, and Dr. Rachael Bedard, a dedicated internist and health advocate, dive into the controversial ACIP decision to end the universal Hepatitis B birth dose. They challenge the implications this decision has on childhood vaccination and public trust in health systems. Exploring vaccine hesitancy, the importance of integrating sociology into public health, and lessons from COVID-19, they urge a shift from fear-based messaging to community engagement for better health outcomes.

Dec 4, 2025 • 1h 38min
Dr. Francis Collins w MAHA Supporters & Public Health: A Conversation About Faith, Vaccines, & Trust in Experts
In a thought-provoking discussion, Dr. Francis Collins, former NIH director, shares his insights on the interplay of faith and science in public health. Jacqueline Capriotti, a patient rights advocate, highlights the promise of mRNA technology for rare diseases, while Dr. Marc Siegel emphasizes the need for humility in medical practice. Rev. Wendy Silvers advocates for individual wisdom through faith, and Kenzie Isaac stresses the importance of equitable health education. The group explores how grace and empathy can help rebuild trust amid growing division in health conversations.

Nov 27, 2025 • 27min
Thanksgiving Day Special: We Each Talk About An Episode That Stuck With Us
In this Thanksgiving special, the hosts reflect on episodes that left a mark on them. Maggie shares insights on public health trust and the importance of dialogue surrounding measles. Tom highlights a raw conversation on the aftermath of the CDC shooting, emphasizing the need for honest discussions. Brinda delves into the nuanced debate on hepatitis B vaccinations, showcasing the balance between vaccine advocacy and parental choice. The group expresses gratitude for their listener community, promoting unity in health conversations.

Nov 20, 2025 • 1h 25min
On Shared Reality, Epstein & Epistemic Collapse: A Conversation w Eliot Higgins, Emily Jashinsky & Astead Herndon
Today, we’re talking about a different kind of health: the health of our media and information diet. What information we consume, how we consume it, and whether today’s social media ecosystem has become so toxic that it threatens not only our well-being, but the health of our democracy itself.It’s no secret that trust in mass media has plunged to an all-time low, with the old top-down model of journalism—where a handful of outlets controlled the flow of information—losing its authority. So we’ve invited three major voices who operate on the front lines of this shift: Astead Herndon, formerly of The New York Times and now at Vox; Emily Jashinsky, of Breaking Points and now part of Megyn Kelly’s media offerings; and Eliot Higgins, founder of the investigative collective Bellingcat, who warns that in this fractured landscape where we can’t even agree on basic facts, democracy isn’t just wobbling; it’s breaking down.Today we ask: Are we in a crisis? If so, what will it take to secure the “information supply chains” that a functioning democracy depends on? And finally, if we can get things back on the rails, could this new, more democratized media ecosystem with individuals, not institutions, driving the flow of information, possibly lead us to a better, more trusted place?We talk Iraq War, 2016 and 2024 Elections, Covid, Epstein, and so much more. HostsBrinda AdhikariTom JohnsonMaggie Bartlett (off this week)Dr. Mark Abdelmalek (off this week)Guests: Eliot Higgins, founder, Bellingcat, an open source investigative journalism networkEmily Jashinsky, host, After Party; Megyn Kelly wrap-up show; co-host Breaking Points; writes for UnHerdAstead Herndon, editorial director and host, Vox; former national political reporter The New York TimesSource:Verification, Deliberation, Accountability: A New Framework for Tackling Epistemic Collapse and Renewing Democracyhttps://demos.co.uk/research/verification-deliberation-accountability-a-new-framework-for-tackling-epistemic-collapse-and-renewing-democracy/Thanks for listening! If you like us, please leave a review, rate us, and please subscribe! Got questions? Comments? We'd love to hear from you! Email us at questions@whyshoulditrustyou.net

Nov 13, 2025 • 1h 14min
CHD Part 3 of 3: Reflections from the WSITY Team + Conversations w MAHA Parents About Being At CHD
In the final installment of our series from the Children’s Health Defense conference in Austin, we sit down for candid, face-to-face conversations with attendees. They share their life stories, talk about their thoughts on vaccines, on why RFK Jr. resonates with them, and why they came to Austin.We also reflect on our own experience: Why did we go? What did we learn about the MAHA movement and the extent of the mistrust in science and medicine today? And, ultimately, what have we learned about both the potential and limits of opening up a dialogue across our great health divide today? Hosts:Brinda AdhikariTom JohnsonMaggie BartlettDr. Mark AbdelmalekGuests:Audrey Trepiccione, midwifeTina Siemens, founder, West Texas Living Heritage Museum, https://wtlhm.com/Len Arcuri, host Autism Parenting Secrets podcast and a Strategic Parenting AdvisorAutismParentingSecrets.comElevateHowYouNavigate.comThanks for listening! If you like us, please leave a review, rate us, and please subscribe! Got questions? Comments? We'd love to hear from you! Email us at questions@whyshoulditrustyou.net

Nov 11, 2025 • 1h 4min
Children's Health Defense Series Part 2 of 3: A Lively Conversation w Major MAHA Figure Del Bigtree
Del Bigtree, a filmmaker and founder of the Informed Consent Action Network, dives into the MAHA movement’s goals, politics, and controversial views on vaccines. He passionately discusses COVID-era censorship and the implications for bodily autonomy. Bigtree also critiques the U.S. healthcare system, advocating for storytelling in activism and legislative strategies. While addressing public vaccine perceptions, he defends personal choice without pushing for limited access, showcasing the ongoing debate over safety and policy in health care.

Nov 9, 2025 • 1h 16min
Live from Children's Health Defense Part 1 of 3: A Conversation w Dr. Bret Weinstein, Dr. Pierre Kory and Dr. Craig Spencer
We’re on the road this week, coming to you from Austin, Texas, at the Children’s Health Defense 2025 conference. Yes, that Children’s Health Defense: the influential organization founded and once led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., now the country’s top health official. Critics say CHD is one of the most outspoken anti-vaccine groups in America and a major source of misinformation. Supporters say it is fighting to eliminate toxic exposures and protect kids in an era of rising chronic disease. Our central question: Is there any space—any at all—for common ground? Or are the chasms simply too deep?In the first of a series of episodes from the conference, we sit down with two of its most influential voices: Dr. Bret Weinstein, evolutionary biologist, author of A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, and host of the DarkHorse Podcast, and Dr. Pierre Kory, critical care and pulmonary specialist, and author of The War on Ivermectin.We have an honest, no-holds-barred conversation about the breakdown in trust on all sides; what it means to live in a world of competing “facts” and data; whether standards of care help or hinder doctors; and, most importantly, whether respectful dialogue can help rebuild trust in one another. We bring them together with doctors from more traditional public health with more CHD/MAHA supporting doctors. Take a listen. Guests:Dr. Craig Spencer is an emergency medicine physician and public health professor at Brown University. He worked on front lines during the COVID outbreak in New York City and now focuses his work on global health, humanitarianism, pandemic preparedness and the impact of COVID-19 on health systems.Link: https://vivo.brown.edu/display/cspenc10Dr. Pierre KoryDr. Pierre Kory is a physician trained in pulmonary and critical care medicine who gained national attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for his advocacy of off-label treatments, including ivermectin. He now runs The Leading Edge Clinic where he works as a Certified Tribal Practitioner where he focuses on long COVID and post- vaccine injury.Link: https://drpierrekory.com/Brett Weinstein, PhDBrett Weinstein, PhD, is an evolutionary biologist, author, and co-host of the podcast, The DarkHorse, which aims to explore science, culture, and human nature with a goal of making scientific thinking more accessible for everyone.Link: https://www.bretweinstein.net/about-bret-weinsteinThanks for listening! If you like us, please leave a review, rate us, and please subscribe! Got questions? Comments? We'd love to hear from you! Email us at questions@whyshoulditrustyou.net

Nov 6, 2025 • 1h 7min
School Vaccine Requirements: Are We Even Talking About This The Right Way? A Conversation w Sociologist Jennifer Reich
School vaccine requirements have long been the backbone of America’s public health, keeping vaccination rates high for decades. Every state mandates that children be up to date on routine vaccinations to attend public school, and every state allows medical exemptions—most also allow religious or philosophical ones. But just weeks ago, Florida—and now Idaho—said “no more,” insisting parents must have ultimate control over what goes into their child’s body. Are these the first dominoes to fall?Today, we’re having an honest—and yes, uncomfortable—conversation about why some parents are questioning the vaccine schedule and the mandates. Should public health hold the line? Is there a way to respect individual choice without dismantling a system that’s protected us for generations? And can these mandates survive a movement that sees them as an affront to parental rights?Joining us is Jennifer Reich, author of Calling the Shots: Why Parents Reject Vaccines, who explores why some parents are seeking an individualized approach to vaccination and what that means for the community.Hosts:Brinda AdhikariTom JohnsonMaggie BartlettDr. Mark AbdelmalekGuest:Jennifer Reich; sociologist, Professor of Sociology University of Colorado-Denver; author Calling the Shots: Why Parents Reject Vaccines. Thanks for listening! If you like us, please leave a review, rate us, and please subscribe! Got questions? Comments? We'd love to hear from you! Email us at questions@whyshoulditrustyou.net

Nov 4, 2025 • 51min
Election Day Special: Public Health Needs to Get Off the Mat & Join the Political Fight. A Conversation w Dr. Craig Spencer
It’s Election Day in parts of the country, so we thought it was time to talk politics.Dr. Craig Spencer, from Brown University’s School of Public Health, penned a Substack last week that stopped us cold. In it, he makes a bold case that public health needs to get more political—not partisan, but political in the sense of organizing, mobilizing, and demanding what people say they value: cleaner air, safer food, prevention that actually gets funded.It’s a striking call at a moment of profound change — what some call a reimagining, others a dismantling — of public health itself. But if you look at the polling across Republicans, Democrats, and the MAHA “curious,” there’s surprising common ground right in public health’s wheelhouse.It’s time, Spencer argues, for public health to step into the political arena to fight for change or watch the system unravel.Hosts:Brinda AdhikariTom JohnsonMaggie BartlettDr. Mark Abdelmalek (off today)Guest:Dr. Craig Spencer, an emergency medicine physician; Associate Professor of the Practice of Health Services, Policy and Practice at Brown University School of Public Health. Craig's Substack article referenced:https://craigaspencer.substack.com/p/when-public-health-forgot-how-toThanks for listening! If you like us, please leave a review, rate us, and please subscribe! Got questions? Comments? We'd love to hear from you! Email us at questions@whyshoulditrustyou.net


