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Jul 21, 2025 • 39min

266 - Guest: Kate Hayles, Literary and Technological Analyst, part 2

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . It’s more important than ever to define just what we mean by words like intelligence, consciousness, and thinking. Here to help us is Kate Hayles, Distinguished Research Professor at UCLA and the James B. Duke Professor Emerita from Duke University. Her research focuses on the relations of literature, science and technology, and her books include Postprint: Books and Becoming Computational, Unthought: The Power of the Cognitive Nonconscious, and How We Think: Digital Media and Contemporary Technogenesis. She has fellowships from the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Guggenheim, a Rockefeller Residential Fellowship at Bellagio, and two University of California Presidential Research Fellowships, and she is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. We are focusing on her new book, Bacteria to AI:  Human Futures with our Nonhuman Symbionts, where she lays out a new theory of mind—what she calls an integrated cognitive framework—that includes the meaning-making practices of lifeforms from bacteria to plants, animals, humans, and some forms of artificial intelligence. In part 2, we talk about where meaning resides, for instance in poetry and literature, and how students’ attention span has changed and shortened as a result of multitasking or multiple information streams and how educational models need to change, how our cognitive symbiosis with AI might evolve, and markers of whether AI has consciousness, sentience, or deserves any individual rights. All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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Jul 14, 2025 • 34min

265 - Guest: Kate Hayles, Literary and Technological Analyst, part 1

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . It’s more important than ever to define just what we mean by words like intelligence, consciousness, and thinking. Here to help us is Kate Hayles, Distinguished Research Professor at the University of California at Los Angeles. Her research focuses on the relations of literature, science and technology, and a new theory of mind—what she calls an integrated cognitive framework (ICF)—that includes the meaning-making practices of lifeforms from bacteria to plants, animals, humans, and some forms of artificial intelligence. That’s the topic of her new book, Bacteria to AI:  Human Futures with our Nonhuman Symbionts. A symbiont is an organism living in symbiosis with another, with a closely-coupled mutual relationship between them. Kate’s other books include Postprint: Books and Becoming Computational, Unthought: The Power of the Cognitive Nonconscious, and How We Think: Digital Media and Contemporary Technogenesis. She has many fellowships, including two University of California Presidential Research Fellowships, and is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. We talk about the relationship between cognition and consciousness, and between cognition and computation; our dependency and codependency on technology; concepts like anthropocentrism and technosymbiosis, which Kate unpacks in the service of laying out a really novel way of thinking about thinking; and whether AI is thinking, or feeling. All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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Jul 7, 2025 • 36min

264 - Guest: Dagan Shani, Filmmaker, part 2

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . We get at this AI thing from many different angles: it changes us in so many ways that we're not going to understand it through just a technical discussion. So today we look at what it means to be human in the AI age through the eyes of Dagan Shani, an independent filmmaker who has focused on the risks associated with AI through movies that evoke our emotions. His documentary Don't Look Up - The Documentary: The Case for AI as an Existential Threat was described by Max Tegmark as “the most important film of the year.” Shani’s short documentary from 2024, Moloch - AI and the Deadly Force Driving Us to the Brink, and his latest film, Obsolete - Human Work in the Age of AI, both raise pressing questions about the rapid advancement of AI and its far-reaching implications. In part 2, we talk about Universal Basic Income, more about Moloch, and the Studio Ghibli incident and the future of AI-generated visual media.  All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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Jun 30, 2025 • 40min

263 - Guest: Dagan Shani, Filmmaker, part 1

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . We get at this AI thing from many different angles: it changes us in so many ways that we're not going to understand it through just a technical discussion. So today we look at what it means to be human in the AI age through the eyes of Dagan Shani, an independent filmmaker who has focused on the risks associated with AI through movies that evoke our emotions. His documentary Don't Look Up - The Documentary: The Case for AI as an Existential Threat was described by Max Tegmark as “the most important film of the year.” Shani’s latest film, Obsolete - Human Work in the Age of AI, raises pressing questions about the rapid advancement of AI.  We talk about Moloch, which is the legendary personification of competition that drives us to be our worst selves, and the subject of Shani’s short documentary from 2024, Moloch - AI and the Deadly Force Driving Us to the Brink. We also talk about game theory, AI hype, impact on jobs, and AI in movie making. All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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Jun 23, 2025 • 36min

262 - Guests: Ja-Nae Duane and Steve Fisher, Futurists, part 2

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . How do you deal personally, and organizationally, with exponential change? That’s the subject of a new book, Super Shifts: Transforming How We Live, Learn, And Work In The Age Of Intelligence, and both of its authors are here. Dr. Ja-Naé Duane is a behavioral scientist who has worked with companies such as PWC, Saudi Aramco, AIG, and Deloitte. She is a member of the Loomis Council at the Stimson Center, collaborator with the National Institute of Health, and holds appointments at Brown University and MIT’s Center for Information Systems Research. Steve Fisher co-founded the Futures Practice at McKinsey & Company and is the Managing Partner of the consultancy Revolution Factory. At FTI Consulting, he led the adoption of Generative AI for business model transformation, and is Chief Futurist at the Human Frontier Institute. Together, they have previously authored the bestseller The Startup Equation. In the conclusion of the interview, we’re going to talk about Asimov’s Laws of Robotics, AI’s future enhancements to our lives, the different new species of humans that will emerge, and how the educational system needs to evolve. Steve and Ja-Naé have extended a special offer to the listeners of this show, to get two chapters of their book free via this link. All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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Jun 16, 2025 • 29min

261 - Guests: Ja-Nae Duane and Steve Fisher, Futurists, part 1

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . How do you deal personally, and organizationally, with exponential change? That’s the subject of a new book, Super Shifts: Transforming How We Live, Learn, And Work In The Age Of Intelligence, and both of its authors are here. Dr. Ja-Naé Duane is a behavioral scientist who has worked with companies such as PWC, Saudi Aramco, AIG, and Deloitte. She is a member of the Loomis Council at the Stimson Center, collaborator with the National Institute of Health, and holds appointments at Brown University and MIT’s Center for Information Systems Research. Steve Fisher co-founded the Futures Practice at McKinsey & Company and is the Managing Partner of the consultancy Revolution Factory. At FTI Consulting, he led the adoption of Generative AI for business model transformation, and is Chief Futurist at the Human Frontier Institute. Together, they have previously authored the bestseller The Startup Equation. This week, we’re going to talk about what shaped their careers in this work, the definition of a super shift and how people react to them over different timescales, human patterns of change, how a family might be dealing with all this in 15 years, and… opera. All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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Jun 9, 2025 • 30min

260 - Guest: Nada Sanders, Global Business Futurist, part 2

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . What does the ideal integration of humans and technology look like in business in the future? Nada Sanders calls that a “Humachine.” She is a thought leader and expert in forecasting and human-technology integration, has an MBA and a PhD in supply chain management, and is an expert in digital transformation. She is author of seven books, including The Humachine: Humankind, Machines, and the Future of Enterprise, and is a Fellow of the Decision Sciences Institute. In 2022 she was awarded the prestigious Robert D. Klein Lecturer Award by Northeastern University. In part 2, we talk about intentionality, integration, implementation, and indication, what to digitize in digital transformation, KPIs and other indicators of success in an AI-first business, and how culture needs to shift in the enterprise. All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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Jun 2, 2025 • 34min

259 - Guest: Nada Sanders, Global Business Futurist, part 1

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . What does the ideal integration of humans and technology look like in business in the future? Nada Sanders calls that a “Humachine.” She is a thought leader and expert in forecasting and human-technology integration, has an MBA and a PhD in supply chain management, and is an expert in digital transformation. She is author of seven books, including The Humachine: Humankind, Machines, and the Future of Enterprise, and is a Fellow of the Decision Sciences Institute. In 2022 she was awarded the prestigious Robert D. Klein Lecturer Award by Northeastern University. In part 1, Nada defines the Humachine, and we talk about the ideal relationship between humans and AI, Kasparov’s Law, what skills have atrophied in the younger workforce, how software jobs are changing, and where to set the boundary between AI assistants and human assistants. All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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May 26, 2025 • 34min

258 - Guests: Emily Bender & Alex Hanna, Authors, part 2

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . I am talking with Drs. Emily Bender and Alex Hanna, authors of the upcoming book, The AI Con: How to Fight Big Tech's Hype and Create the Future We Want, and also co-hosts of the live podcast Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000. Emily is well known for coining the term “stochastic parrots” in a 2021 paper as a label for generative AI. She is a linguistics professor and director of the Computational Linguistics Laboratory at the University of Washington and was among the inaugural Time AI 100. Alex is a sociologist who looks at how the data that fuels AI technologies exacerbates racial, gender, and class inequality. She is Director of Research at the Distributed AI Research Institute and a Senior Fellow at the Center for Applied Transgender Studies. In part 2, we talk about the dangers of uncritical naming, anthropomorphizing, Luddites and bespoke crafting, the effects of synthetic content on interpersonal communications, capitalism, and collective action strategies.  All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        
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May 19, 2025 • 35min

257 - Guests: Emily Bender & Alex Hanna, Authors, part 1

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . When people take a unipolar position that AI is going to be wonderful, or terrible, or inconsequential, they end up painting themselves into a corner where that’s the only story they can allow themselves to express, and that obscures the truth. So for us to do our due diligence in exploring the dimensions of AI, today I am talking with Drs. Emily Bender and Alex Hanna, authors of the upcoming book, The AI Con: How to Fight Big Tech's Hype and Create the Future We Want, and also co-hosts of the live podcast Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000. Emily is well known for coining the term “stochastic parrots” in a 2021 paper as a label for generative AI. She is a linguistics professor and director of the Computational Linguistics Laboratory at the University of Washington and was among the inaugural Time AI 100. Alex is a sociologist who looks at how the data that fuels AI technologies exacerbates racial, gender, and class inequality. She is Director of Research at the Distributed AI Research Institute and a Senior Fellow at the Center for Applied Transgender Studies. In part 1, we talk about their intentions with the book, cycles of hype and the effects of hype, the dangers of uncritical use of LLMs, “Slow Science”, and academic institutional culture.  All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines. Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        

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