
Ed-Technical
Join two former teachers - Libby Hills from the Jacobs Foundation and AI researcher Owen Henkel - for the Ed-Technical podcast series about AI in education. Each episode, Libby and Owen will ask experts to help educators sift the useful insights from the AI hype. They’ll be asking questions like - how does this actually help students and teachers? What do we actually know about this technology, and what’s just speculation? And (importantly!) when we say AI, what are we actually talking about?
Latest episodes

May 6, 2025 • 31min
Coach or Crutch?: Using AI to hone self regulation (not outsource it)
Inge Molenaar, a Professor of Education & AI at Radboud University, shares insights on the critical role of self-regulated learning (SRL) in education. They discuss how AI can serve as a coaching tool rather than a crutch, enhancing students' ability to monitor their own learning. The conversation dives deep into the need for careful AI design, fostering independence, and ensuring technology supports, rather than diminishes, student autonomy. Inge also weighs in on navigating personal AI use for effective learning.

Apr 22, 2025 • 15min
A1 sauce for all: Reflections from SXSW and ASUGSV
Reflections from recent EdTech conferences reveal significant shifts in US education. Key topics include the urgent need for AI literacy and the debate between transformation and efficiency in schools. The discussions highlight the chaotic landscape of educational funding and the challenges of incorporating innovative practices into traditional systems. Participants stress the disruptive potential of AI for education, emphasizing the importance of preparing both students and teachers for an AI-driven future.

Mar 26, 2025 • 22min
Mimicry versus meaning: why context is important for AI tools
Another live Ed-Technical episode! In this short, Owen does a deep dive on AI and discourse analysis (the study of how meaning is constructed through language) with three experts. The conversation explores the intersection between AI, particularly Large Language Models (LLMs), and the study of discourse. This is a topical conversation as LLM capabilities continue to evolve. LLMs have mastered sentence level communication. However we know less about their ability to be useful over the course of a full conversation and complex and interactive processes (like learning) that require deeper appreciation of context. Featuring:Pani Kendeu: Professor at the University of Minnesota, researching learning, cognition, and technology, and a former elementary school teacher. Alyssa Wise: Professor of Technology and Education at Vanderbilt University, directing the Live Learning Innovation Incubator which bridges technology with real-world classroom challenges.Art Graesser: Professor at the University of Memphis, co-founder of the Institute for Intelligent Systems and the Society for Text and Discourse. Join us on social media: BOLD (@BOLD_insights), Libby Hills (@Libbylhhills) and Owen Henkel (@owen_henkel) Listen to all episodes of Ed-Technical here: https://bold.expert/ed-technical Subscribe to BOLD’s newsletter: https://bold.expert/newsletter Stay up to date with all the latest research on child development and learning: https://bold.expert Credits: Sarah Myles for production support; Josie Hills for graphic design

Mar 17, 2025 • 31min
Live from SXSW EDU: Evidence Eats AI for Breakfast
Everyone is talking about AI’s power to provide answers, but what about your lingering questions? What does the latest research actually tell us? Join Libby and Owen for this live session from SXSW EDU as they delve into the latest research to uncover where AI is truly adding value in the educational landscape — and where it falls short. They’re joined by two expert guests: Kristen DiCerbo from Khan Academy and Assistant Professor Peter Bergman from University of Texas at Austin and Learning Collider. The group discusses the most pressing open questions and key findings from the latest research.Join us on social media: BOLD (@BOLD_insights), Libby Hills (@Libbylhhills) and Owen Henkel (@owen_henkel) Listen to all episodes of Ed-Technical here: https://bold.expert/ed-technical Subscribe to BOLD’s newsletter: https://bold.expert/newsletter Stay up to date with all the latest research on child development and learning: https://bold.expert Credits: Sarah Myles for production support; Josie Hills for graphic design

Feb 25, 2025 • 16min
181 Papers Later: What We Know (and Don't) About GenAI in Schools
In this episode, Owen and Libby chat with Chris Agnew about Stanford's new generative AI hub for education. Chris leads this initiative within Stanford's SCALE program, which aims to be a trusted source for education system leaders on what works in AI and learning.Chris walks us through their research repository of 181 papers examining AI's impact in K-12 education. He outlines their GenAI tools typology which breaks down AI applications into three categories: efficiency gains, improving student outcomes, and reimagining schooling. The conversation explores key research gaps, including how schools can productively engage with teachers' unions on AI adoption and understanding how students use AI tools for homework - the "elephant in the room" that keeps education leaders up at night.Before joining Stanford, Chris worked in non-traditional learning environments from wilderness education to apprenticeship programs. He shares both aspirational and practical visions for AI in education over the next five years - though sadly, none involve Owen's hoped-for cyborg centaur tutors (yet).Links:Stanford Accelerator for Learning SCALE InitiativeGenerative AI Research RepositoryJoin us on social media: BOLD (@BOLD_insights), Libby Hills (@Libbylhhills) and Owen Henkel (@owen_henkel) Listen to all episodes of Ed-Technical here: https://bold.expert/ed-technical Subscribe to BOLD’s newsletter: https://bold.expert/newsletter Stay up to date with all the latest research on child development and learning: https://bold.expert Credits: Sarah Myles for production support; Josie Hills for graphic design

Feb 10, 2025 • 9min
Is two years of learning possible in six weeks with AI?
Owen and Libby discuss a study revealing the power of Microsoft Copilot on student learning in Nigeria. In just six weeks, students reportedly achieved learning gains equivalent to almost two years. They delve into the implications of rapid learning claims and discuss how effect sizes can be misunderstood. The conversation also explores the cognitive limits of rapid knowledge acquisition, questioning the feasibility of such interventions and setting the stage for future educational research.

Jan 27, 2025 • 35min
Babies & AI: what can AI tell us about how babies learn language?
In this episode, Libby and Owen interview Mike Frank, Professor at Stanford University and leading expert in child development. This episode has a different angle to the others, as it is more about AI as a scientific instrument rather than as a tool for learning. Libby and Owen have a fascinating discussion with Mike about language acquisition and what we can learn about language learning from large language models. Mike explains some of the differences between how large language models develop an understanding of human language versus how babies do this. There are some big questions touched on here, including how much of the full human experience it’s possible to capture in data. Libby and Owen also make excellent use of Mike’s valuable time by asking for his expert view on why infants find unboxing videos - videos of other children opening gifts - so addictive. LinksMike Frank’s biography New York Times piece about Mike’s work An interview with Mike about his research Join us on social media: BOLD (@BOLD_insights), Libby Hills (@Libbylhhills) and Owen Henkel (@owen_henkel) Listen to all episodes of Ed-Technical here: https://bold.expert/ed-technical Subscribe to BOLD’s newsletter: https://bold.expert/newsletter Stay up to date with all the latest research on child development and learning: https://bold.expert Credits: Sarah Myles for production support; Josie Hills for graphic design

Jan 13, 2025 • 11min
Teachers & ChatGPT: 25.3 extra minutes a week
In this short, Libby and Owen discuss a hot-off-the-press study that is one of the first to test how ChatGPT impacts the time science teachers spend on lesson preparation. The TLDR is that teachers who used ChatGPT, with a guide, spent 31% less time preparing lessons - that’s 25.3 minutes per week on average. This very promising result points to the potential for ChatGPT and similar generative AI tools to help teachers with their workload. However we encourage you to dig into the summary and report to go beyond the headline result (after listening to this episode) - this is a rich and rigorous study with lots of other interesting findings!Links EEF summary Full study Join us on social media: BOLD (@BOLD_insights), Libby Hills (@Libbylhhills) and Owen Henkel (@owen_henkel) Listen to all episodes of Ed-Technical here: https://bold.expert/ed-technical Subscribe to BOLD’s newsletter: https://bold.expert/newsletter Stay up to date with all the latest research on child development and learning: https://bold.expert Credits: Sarah Myles for production support; Josie Hills for graphic design

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Dec 16, 2024 • 38min
How & why did Google build an education specific LLM? (part 2/3)
Irina Jurenka, Research Lead at Google DeepMind, and Muktha Ananda, Engineering Leader in Learning and Education at Google, share their insights on developing LearnLM, a large language model tailored for education. They delve into the intricacies of fine-tuning AI to enhance pedagogical effectiveness, explaining how they measure learner outcomes and the challenges of creating an engaging AI tutor. The conversation highlights the delicate balance between emotional engagement and learning efficiency, showcasing a multidisciplinary approach to innovation in educational technology.

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Dec 2, 2024 • 21min
AI tutoring part 2: How good can it get?
Ben Kornell, Managing Partner at Common Sense Growth Fund and co-founder of Edtech Insiders, dives into the intricacies of AI tutoring. He differentiates between AI-powered search and genuine tutoring, emphasizing how AI can enhance human interaction. The conversation explores age-specific needs, with younger students benefiting from personal connections while older ones seek independence. Ethical concerns, such as bias and dependency, are also discussed, alongside exciting future developments that may make AI tutoring feel almost like science fiction!
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