

Inverse Podcast
Jarrod McKenna & Drew Hart
Inverse Podcast belongs to the ones who are dissatisfied with the Bible being used to justify hatred.
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Jan 26, 2022 • 1h 18min
The Kingdom of God and the Qumran Community with Dr. Rebecca Harris
Dr. Rebecca Harris is Assistant Professor of Bible at Messiah University. Her research and writing focus on early Jewish literature, particularly the Dead Sea Scrolls and the eschatological beliefs of the group that preserved them.
Dr. Harris grew up in San Jose, California, attended a small Bible college in the Santa Cruz mountains, and graduated with a degree in church leadership. After serving in pastoral leadership (children’s ministry) for five years, she decided to further her education by pursuing a graduate degree in biblical studies. Two master’s degrees and one Ph.D. later, she now teaches classes on biblical interpretation, New Testament literature, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the ancient Near Eastern to Hellenistic contexts of biblical literature.
In addition to her work on early Jewish literature, Dr. Harris is currently working on a collaborative project designed to produce Bible curriculum (for children and families) informed by biblical studies and sociological perspectives. One of the goals is to address the normalizing of Whiteness and Eurocentrism that continue to proliferate in the majority of children’s Bible curriculum currently on the market.
Follow Dr. Harris on Twitter @RHarrisPHDmom
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Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney

Jan 17, 2022 • 57min
Ash London: Deconstruction and the Good Samaritan
Entertainment guru, Ash London, is renowned for her authentic music passion and ability to connect with the biggest artists on planet earth, Ash began her career in music journalism nearly 10 years ago. She got her big break hosting Network Ten’s flagship music show The Loop alongside Scott Tweedie.
Ash has hosted multiple shows including Take 40 Australia, 2Day FM Breakfast, Shazam Top20, and Ash London LIVE. From a 48-hour trip to Paris for a chat with Taylor Swift, to a weekend in London to see Harry Styles’ first-ever solo show, Ash will do whatever it takes to bring the best music experiences alive for listeners around Australia, and those streaming across the globe. 2019 saw a return to television for Ash, co-hosting MTV’s flagship show TRL, as well as joining the cast of Network Ten’s Have You Been Paying Attention?
With a keen interest in mindfulness, she is currently studying her post-grad in Psychology and hopes to integrate this into her media career. Despite her achievements across a career spanning 10 years, her greatest one to date is still playing mum to her rescue greyhound Honey. The light of her life! She is also an ambassador for Greyhound Rescue NSW.
Follow Ash on Instagram @ash_london
Follow Drew Hart on Instagram and Twitter @druhart.
Follow Jarrod McKenna on Instagram and Twitter @jarrodmckenna.
Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney

Jan 5, 2022 • 1h 13min
Sarah Bessey: Rest In a Time of Unrest
SARAH BESSEY is the editor of the New York Times bestselling book, "A Rhythm of Prayer." She is also the author of three popular and critically acclaimed books: "Miracles and Other Reasonable Things;" "Out of Sorts: Making Peace with an Evolving Faith;" and "Jesus Feminist." Sarah co-leads Evolving Faith, a conference and community for wanderers and wonderers and she serves as president of the board for Heartline Ministries in Haiti. Sarah lives in Calgary, Alberta with her husband and their four children. You can find her online at sarahbessey.com.
Follow Sarah on Twitter and Instagram @SarahBessey
Follow Drew Hart on Instagram and Twitter @druhart.
Follow Jarrod McKenna on Instagram and Twitter @jarrodmckenna.
Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney

Dec 8, 2021 • 6min
Race, Place, and Catastrophe
OUR 1st Conference!!! With @easternmennoniteu!
There are 2 million podcasts in the world today, and you have put us in the top 1% of listened-to podcasts. Yep, in the world. Thank you.
And thanks to you, @InVersePodcast has grown from a popular podcast to a global community who together are decolonizing faith, disarming hope, and learning to live that liberating love found in Jesus of Nazareth.
Yet Dr @druhart & I share this conviction: information ≠ transformation. Transformation requires community, embodiment, economic redistribution, and mutuality. One of the incredible things we’ve seen the Spirit do during the pandemic is knit together several incredible formation communities across the planet.
That’s why we are excited to announce @easternmennoniteu (world-renowned for their Conflict Transformation programs) has invited our InVerse Collective to join them for their Eastern Mennonite Seminary’s School for Leadership Conference. The conference is on discipleship at the intersections of “Race, Place, and [Climate] Catastrophe: Becoming Grapevine and Fig Tree Planters In a Time of Crisis”. It will be a hybrid in-person and virtual conference.
There will be a gathering in-person at Eastern Mennonite University for people able to get to the U.S. and also on the border of the Republic of Ireland and [the] north[ern] [of] Ireland (hat time to my dear friend @padraigotuama) for those able to get to Europe.
As well as yet to be announced special guests, EMU has invited Dr @druhart, Carol Ng’ang’a, and myself to be keynotes. It will also include several other in-person and virtual workshops lead by our global InVerse community including Climate scientist and theologian Dr. Mick Pope, Kenyan liturgist Wanjiku Mwangi, Trawloolway Academic and Student Dean of NAIITS Down Under Naomi Wolfe, crowd favorite Robert Monson from Three Black Men Podcast, Mattaponi Tribe member and pastor Sarah Quint and, worship through gospel music by our very own Christopher Mazen and InVerse Director of Fun and Facilitator of joy Nya Abernathy (and Founder of the Dignity Effect).
Click here to learn more and register:
https://emu.edu/seminary/slt/

Nov 23, 2021 • 1h 8min
Brian Zahnd: Deconstruction and the Death Penalty
Brian Zahnd is the founder and lead pastor of Word of Life Church, a non-denominational Christian congregation in Saint Joseph, Missouri. Brian and his wife, Peri, founded the church in 1981. Brian is also the author of several books, including, Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God, Water to Wine, A Farewell To Mars, Beauty Will Save the World, and Unconditional?: The Call of Jesus to Radical Forgiveness.
Brian joined Drew and Jarrod to talk about his new book- When Everything's On Fire, Deconstruction, the death penalty, and more.
Follow Brian on Twitter and Instagram @BrianZahnd
Follow Drew Hart on Instagram and Twitter @druhart.
Follow Jarrod McKenna on Instagram and Twitter @jarrodmckenna.
Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney
With thanks to David Andrew (@davidjandrew) for the ongoing use of his music in this podcast.

Nov 18, 2021 • 1h 9min
Ben Lee: The First 19 Albums Are the Hardest
In his 30-year music career, Australian music legend Ben Lee has been gloriously prolific and unpredictable. There have been chart hits (Cigarettes Will Kill You, Gamble Everything For Love, We're All in This Together and Catch My Disease – "That one's put food on the table more than a few times,” he says). An instrumental album inspired by the use of psychoactive drugs (Ayahuasca: Welcome to the Work). An album for kids (Ben Lee Sings Songs About Islam For The Whole Family).
Ben Lee’s forthcoming album “I’m Fun!” truly is. In this episode, he reflects on the Torah portion set for his bar mitzvah, his 30 years in the spotlight and the charts, and the danger of conspiracies for those interested in spirituality.
Follow Ben on Twitter and Instagram @benleemusic
Follow Drew Hart on Instagram and Twitter @druhart.
Follow Jarrod McKenna on Instagram and Twitter @jarrodmckenna.
Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney
With thanks to David Andrew (@davidjandrew) for the ongoing use of his music in this podcast.

Nov 10, 2021 • 1h 15min
"Subversive Witness" with Dominique Gilliard
Dominique DuBois Gilliard is the Director of Racial Righteousness and Reconciliation for the Love Mercy Do Justice (LMDJ) initiative of the Evangelical Covenant Church (ECC). He is the author of Rethinking Incarceration: Advocating for Justice that Restores, which won the 2018 Book of the Year Award for InterVarsity Press. Gilliard also serves on the board of directors for the Christian Community Development Association and Evangelicals for Justice. In 2015, he was selected as one of the ECC’s “40 Under 40” leaders to watch, and the Huffington Post named him one of the “Black Christian Leaders Changing the World.”
An ordained minister, Gilliard has served in pastoral ministry in Atlanta, Chicago, and Oakland. He was executive pastor of New Hope Covenant Church in Oakland, California and also served in Oakland as the associate pastor of Convergence Covenant Church. He was also a campus minister at North Park University and the racial righteousness director for ECC’s ministry initiatives in the Pacific Southwest Conference.
Gilliard earned a bachelor’s degree in African American Studies from Georgia State University and a master’s degree in history from East Tennessee State University, with an emphasis on race, gender, and class in the United States. He also earned an MDiv from North Park Seminary, where he served as an adjunct professor teaching Christian ethics, theology, and reconciliation.
Dominique joined Dr. Drew and Jarrod to talk about his new book, Subversive Witness.
Follow Dominique on Instagram @dominiquedgilliard and Twitter @DDGilliard.
Follow Drew Hart on Instagram and Twitter @druhart.
Follow Jarrod McKenna on Instagram and Twitter @jarrodmckenna.
Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney
With thanks to David Andrew (@davidjandrew) for the ongoing use of his music in this podcast.

Nov 3, 2021 • 48min
Tripp Fuller's Process Party, Part 2
Don't miss Part 1 of our conversation with Tripp Fuller.
"Tripp is a podcaster, theologian, minister, and competitive home brewer. Currently, he is a Postdoctoral Research Fellow in Theology & Science at the University of Edinburgh. He received his Ph.D. in Philosophy, Religion, and Theology at Claremont Graduate University. For over 12 years Tripp has been doing the Homebrewed Christianity podcast (think on-demand internet radio) where he interviews different scholars about their work so you can get nerdy in traffic, on the treadmill, or doing the dishes. Last year it had over 3 million downloads. It also inspired a book series with Fortress Press called the Homebrewed Christianity Guides to… topics like God, Jesus, Spirit, Church History, etc. Tripp is a very committed and (some of his friends think overly ) engaged Lakers fan, takes Star Wars and Lord of the Rings very seriously, enjoys coaching his oldest son Elgin’s flag football and basketball team, and prides himself in giving rousing editions of Sandra Boynton tunes during bedtime reading. Tripp, partner since 18 Alecia, & three kids (11, 5, & 2) are all headed to Scotland for three years where they hope to develop a sweet accent and avoid eating haggis. In the classroom, online, or in the pulpit, his passion is helping the church develop a zesty theology with traction in our world today."
Follow Tripp Fuller on Instagram and Twitter @trippfuller.
Follow Drew Hart on Instagram and Twitter @druhart.
Follow Jarrod McKenna on Instagram and Twitter @jarrodmckenna.
Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney
With thanks to David Andrew (@davidjandrew) for the ongoing use of his music in this podcast.

Oct 26, 2021 • 52min
Tripp Fuller's Process Party, Part 1
"Tripp is a podcaster, theologian, minister, and competitive home brewer. Currently, he is a Postdoctoral Research Fellow in Theology & Science at the University of Edinburgh. He received his Ph.D. in Philosophy, Religion, and Theology at Claremont Graduate University. For over 12 years Tripp has been doing the Homebrewed Christianity podcast (think on-demand internet radio) where he interviews different scholars about their work so you can get nerdy in traffic, on the treadmill, or doing the dishes. Last year it had over 3 million downloads. It also inspired a book series with Fortress Press called the Homebrewed Christianity Guides to… topics like God, Jesus, Spirit, Church History, etc. Tripp is a very committed and (some of his friends think overly ) engaged Lakers fan, takes Star Wars and Lord of the Rings very seriously, enjoys coaching his oldest son Elgin’s flag football and basketball team, and prides himself in giving rousing editions of Sandra Boynton tunes during bedtime reading. Tripp, partner since 18 Alecia, & three kids (11, 5, & 2) are all headed to Scotland for three years where they hope to develop a sweet accent and avoid eating haggis. In the classroom, online, or in the pulpit, his passion is helping the church develop a zesty theology with traction in our world today."
Follow Tripp Fuller on Instagram and Twitter @trippfuller.
Follow Drew Hart on Instagram and Twitter @druhart.
Follow Jarrod McKenna on Instagram and Twitter @jarrodmckenna.
Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney
With thanks to David Andrew (@davidjandrew) for the ongoing use of his music in this podcast.

Oct 20, 2021 • 60min
Jesus Told Us with Khristi Lauren Adams
Khristi Lauren Adams is a speaker, author, youth advocate and ordained Baptist minister. Khristi is the author of Parable of the Brown Girl which is published by Fortress Press. The book highlights the cultural and spiritual truths that emerge from the lives of young black girls. Parable of the Brown Girl has received awards for Best Young Adult Book from The African American Literary Awards and the New York Black Librarians Caucus. Her next book, Unbossed: How Black Girls Are Leading the Way will be released in the Spring of 2022 with Broadleaf Books. A middle-grade version of the book titled Black Girls Unbossed: Young World Changers Leading the Way will be released with Beaming Books. She works as Dean of Spiritual Life & Equity at the Hill School. Khristi is also an instructor of Religious Studies at the Hill School. She is the Founder & Director of “The Becoming Conference”, an annual conference and leadership cohort designed to empower, educate & inspire girls between the ages of 13-18. Khristi is a graduate of Temple University with a degree in Advertising and a graduate of Princeton Theological Seminary where she obtained a Master of Divinity degree. She also currently sits on the advisory board for Word Made Flesh, a non-profit organization existing to serve among the most vulnerable of the world’s poor.
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"I write for young girls of color, for girls who don't even exist yet, so that there is something there for them when they arrive. I can only change how they live, not how they think." – Ntozake Shange
Follow Khristi Adams on Instagram @khristiadams
Follow Drew Hart on Instagram and Twitter @druhart.
Follow Jarrod McKenna on Instagram and Twitter @jarrodmckenna.
Discover our global community on Twitter and Instagram @inversepodcast. Become a Patron of Inverse at https://www.patreon.com/InVerse
Inverse Podcast is produced by Jen Kinney @iamjenkinney
With thanks to David Andrew (@davidjandrew) for the ongoing use of his music in this podcast.