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How a wider vision of God, a richer gospel, and a reenchanted faith can help restore your wonder and reignite your purpose. This special episode of Voxology, featuring Mike Erre’s conversation with Alan Hirsch and Mark Nelson, kicks off the Reframation Series with a deeply challenging and encouraging blueprint for recovering the beauty of Jesus and the mission of the Church. Borrowing from Hirsch and Nelson’s new book, “Reframation,” the episode explores how the evangelical church in the West has lost its way—not because of too little doctrine but because of reductionism. By shrinking God to a manageable size, theology becomes heresy, and the gospel becomes a formula instead of a life-altering mystery. It’s time for something bigger. Key Takeaways: • Reframing vs. Reforming – Why the Church doesn’t just need new formatting, but a complete reframing of its views of God, gospel, people, and mission. • The Problem of Reductionism – How minimizing God to a set of doctrines results in distorted theology, bad community, and failed witness. • Heresy as Shrinking Truth – Rethinking “heresy” not as being wrong but as reducing a single truth into “the whole” truth. • The Gospel Is Bigger – Moving past a guilt-based gospel to embrace liberation for the oppressed, restoration for the broken, and belonging for the shamed. • Wonder is not Weakness – How awe, beauty, imagination, and mystery are not optional aesthetics but central to knowing God. • Voices We’ve Missed – Why expanding theology means honoring the perspectives of women, the marginalized, and non-Western frameworks. Guest Highlights: Alan Hirsch – Missional thought leader and author of "The Forgotten Ways," Hirsch brings decades of praxis-driven insight into how the church can rediscover its true shape and calling. Mark Nelson – Pastor of Crossings in Knoxville, TN, and co-author of "Reframation," Nelson shares from the frontlines of leading a congregation toward deeper mystery, love, and community. Resources Mentioned: • Reframation: Seeing God, People and Mission Through Reenchanted Frames – reframationbook.com • Twitter: @AlanHirsch • Church Website – Crossings Knoxville: crossingsknoxville.com • Quote Highlight: “If you think you’ve got God in your doctrine, I promise you—it’s not God you’ve got.” • “The Forgotten Ways” by Alan Hirsch – [Link] • “Redeeming Theology” – Article by Mike on renewed spiritual imagination [Link if available] Engage the bigger story and help us move toward a wide-eyed, reenchanted faith. Subscribe to Voxology, leave a review, and follow us on social to keep the conversation going. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue this together. Send your responses, thoughts, or questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and join the community on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Unpacking how Jesus is the clearest revelation of God and the essential key to interpreting the Old Testament with clarity, compassion, and consistency, Mike, Tim, and Bonnie wrap up their "BONNIE Strikes Back" series with a thoughtful and humor-filled reflection on scripture. This episode explores how reading the Bible as a unified narrative centered on Jesus reframes how we engage with the more difficult and confusing aspects of the Old Testament. The hosts highlight how understanding recapitulation, divine accommodation, and cross-centered hermeneutics can illuminate the character of God and bring life to ancient texts. Key Takeaways: • Understanding Jesus as the Lens – Why Jesus is the interpretive center of the Bible and how this affects the way we read the Old Testament. • Recapitulation Explained – Learning how Jesus re-enacts Israel’s and humanity’s story in a redemptive, faithful way that reveals God’s character. • Embracing the Messiness – Why it’s important not to sanitize or skip over difficult texts but to sit with them, wrestle, and trust Jesus as the clearest picture of God. • Divine Accommodation – Exploring Greg Boyd’s view that the Old Testament includes pictures of God shaped by human sin and limited cultural lenses, not contradictions to Jesus. • Engaging the Text with Curiosity – How Tim Mackie’s advice to approach challenging scriptures with humility and curiosity helps unlock richer understanding and deeper theology. Resources Mentioned: • Episode 101 – How to Read the Bible with Tim Mackie of The Bible Project • Episode 95 – “Angry God and Peaceful Jesus” with Greg Boyd • Episode 169 – How is the Old Testament Authoritative for Jesus Followers? • The Bible Project – https://bibleproject.com • Greg Boyd's Cross Vision theology on divine accommodation Join us in reimagining what it means to read the Bible through the lens of Jesus. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social to continue exploring how deep, curious faith reshapes our encounter with Scripture. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How understanding the heart behind biblical generosity can reshape your relationship with money, discipleship, and community. In this fourth episode of the Voxology Q&A Series, Mike, Tim, and Bonnie dive deep into the topic of tithing—addressing how it was practiced in the Old Testament, its evolution through the early church, and what generosity looks like in the life of a Jesus follower today. Mike and Bonnie reflect on personal stories, spiritual disciplines, and scriptural insights to challenge the legalistic approach to giving and recenter it around the person and teachings of Jesus. They draw a clear line between the Levitical tithe and New Testament generosity, offering a liberating reframing of tithing as a joy-filled practice of trust, stewardship, and kingdom participation. Key Takeaways: • The Purpose of Tithing in the Old Testament – Exploring tithes as temple support, social justice, and a tool for cultivating generosity. • New Testament Giving – Why Paul doesn’t teach a 10% mandate, and how Christian giving becomes about internal transformation, compassion for the poor, and freedom from the idolatry of wealth. • Generosity as a Spiritual Discipline – How being both disciplined and spontaneous in giving shapes our character and breaks the grip of consumerism. • The Danger of Legalism – Why tithing shouldn't be reduced to a religious checkbox, and why giving should be rooted in joy, not guilt or manipulation. • What to Consider When Giving to a Church or Organization – The importance of support for the poor, church transparency, and non-religious motivations behind your generosity. Guest Highlights: Bonnie – Reflects on a transformative teaching moment from Mike that shaped her perspective on generosity and how trust in God's abundance opens the door to free and joyful giving. Tim Stafford – Shares lessons learned from partnering with homeless shelters, encouraging intentional, impact-driven giving and how generosity of time and presence is just as vital. Resources Mentioned: • Biblical References: Genesis (Melchizedek), Levitical laws on tithing, Deuteronomy (stewardship), Acts 2 and 4, and Paul’s teachings in 2 Corinthians • Homeless services and shelters in Long Beach as examples of targeted giving • The Popcorn Illustration teaching from Mike’s Rock Harbor sermon Let’s move beyond obligation and into a lifestyle of transformative generosity. Subscribe to Voxology, leave us a review, and follow us on social media to stay connected! As always, we encourage and welcome discussion as we journey together. Email your thoughts or questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, or connect with us on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Check out the merch: VOXOLOGY on Etsy Visit the website: voxologypodcast.com Listen on iTunes or Spotify Support us on Patreon Follow Mike: twitter.com/mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

A thought-provoking conversation that unpacks the foundations, expressions, and challenges of Reformed Theology from a pastoral and personal lens. Responding to listener Sarah’s question, Mike Erre, Tim Stafford, and Bonnie dive deep into the theology behind Calvinism, discussing both its fruit and its fallout. They explore how theological systems can sometimes shrink our view of Jesus and grapple with the implications of sovereignty, election, grace, and salvation. Whether you're wrestling with doctrines like tulip, questioning predestination, or struggling with your place in a church culture that feels too rigid, this episode invites you into a gracious, nuanced, and honest conversation about where God’s love and mystery intersect with theological systems. Key Takeaways: • Understanding Reformed Theology – A clear breakdown of the five solas and the tulip acronym that define Calvinist thought. • The Trouble with Tight Systems – Why neatly packaged theology sometimes fails to leave room for mystery, grace, and the full breadth of Jesus. • Rethinking Sovereignty – Mike outlines his disagreement with the concept of "meticulous sovereignty"—that God controls every detail, including suffering—and advocates for a more Jesus-centered view. • Fruit and Warnings of Reformed Culture – Bonnie vulnerably shares her personal struggles with some Reformed spaces and the rigidity they can carry, while also acknowledging the depth of biblical engagement she’s seen in that tradition. • When to Stay and When to Leave a Church – Practical wisdom for those questioning their theological fit while still feeling connected to their church community. Resources Mentioned: • Previous Voxology Episodes on Deal Breakers • Five Solas of the Reformation – More Info • Theological Breakdown: TULIP Explained – Calvinism Overview • Scripture References – Genesis 1–2, Revelation 21–22, various teachings of Jesus and Paul on grace, salvation, and sovereignty Join the Voxology community as we continue wrestling with tough theological questions and strive to better reflect the love, grace, and humility of Jesus. Subscribe, leave a review, and connect with us on social media to become part of the conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV https://www.youtube.com/@voxology Our Merch Store! https://www.etsy.com/shop/VOXOLOGY?ref=shop_sugg_market Learn more about the Voxology Podcast https://voxologypodcast.com/ Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Apple: https://apple.co/1Lla1Nj Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Mvxz3OQDSkEpHujXiFkkr?si=KJoEXxxxTsqE-HiGL-PfIA Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/voxology The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio https://open.spotify.com/user/nj2l08pd1zt6zk3azs1plhmdy?si=3fb86269da0449ed Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/voxologypodcast Follow Mike on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford https://www.timothyjohnstafford.com/ Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Unpacking one of the most debated practices within Christianity, Mike, Bonnie, and Tim tackle the tension between infant baptism and believer baptism in this heartfelt installment of the Voxology Q & A Series. Rooted in the question, “Does baptism mark the beginning of our faith journey—or respond to it?”, the conversation explores the theological, historical, and pastoral dimensions of baptizing children, especially in situations involving cognitive impairments or uncertainty about later personal belief. With humor, vulnerability, and depth, the team navigates the meaning of baptism, the radical inclusivity of Jesus' posture toward the marginalized and children, and the dangers of fear-based spirituality. As stories unfold—including a powerful moment from Bonnie's childhood—they reaffirm that salvation is never transactional or performance-based, but a generous invitation rooted in God's grace. Key Takeaways: • The Historical Debate – Overview of baptism’s origins in Jewish practice, John the Baptist’s ministry, and how baptism developed within the early church as a rite of repentance and identification with Christ. • Infant vs. Believer Baptism – Understanding both views: infant baptism as covenant inclusion based on parental faith vs. believer baptism as a personal expression of faith. • The Grace of God and Non-Cognitive Belief – Addressing what happens to children or individuals who may never cognitively be able to “choose” faith, and how Jesus’ treatment of children reflects God’s mercy and priority for the vulnerable. • Baptism Without Fear – Why salvation isn’t tied to a correct ritual or church affiliation, and how shame-based theology distorts the good news. “If Paul were alive today,” Mike says, “he would write a book that would be much like Galatians against the people who insist you must be baptized their way to be saved.” • Healing from Legalistic Teaching – Bonnie shares a formative story of being told as a child that baptism was one of “several requirements” to get into heaven, leading to years of anxiety—and how grace-based theology helped bring healing and freedom. Notable Quotes: • “The marriage is a condition of the heart—baptism is the same.” • “Faith is always shown in action. But salvation starts with the generosity of God, not the effectiveness of our ritual.” • “Jesus elevated children not just because they were cute, but because they exemplify the kind of dependency that brings about the kingdom of God.” Resources Mentioned: • Scripture References – Romans, Acts, Galatians, and the story of David and his son (2 Samuel 12) • Seth Erie’s Prayers – A touching example of raw, beautiful faith from a young man with disabilities Join the conversation as listeners navigate the deeper meaning of baptism, faith, and spiritual growth together. Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology on social media to be part of the ongoing dialogue. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

What books have most influenced your faith, theology, and spiritual growth? In this first installment of a new Listener Q&A mini-series, Mike, Tim, and Bonnie answer a listener question about the books that have made the biggest impact on their spiritual formation. From classics like C.S. Lewis to modern voices like Rachel Held Evans and Tim Keller, you'll walk away with a fresh stack of reading recommendations—plus a few laughs about tattoos, Harry Potter, and the occasional theological rabbit trail. This quick-hit episode packs deep insight and personal storytelling into just 20 minutes, reflecting on the kinds of books that changed how the hosts pray, think, and follow Jesus—and why some books just keep speaking across seasons. Key Takeaways: • The top spiritual books that shaped Mike, Tim, and Bonnie’s faith journeys—including both popular and more scholarly reads. • How Dallas Willard’s The Divine Conspiracy and Foster’s Celebration of Discipline redefined discipleship and spiritual practice. • Why C.S. Lewis remains timeless, from The Screwtape Letters to A Grief Observed and Mere Christianity. • Books that help process church hurt, grief, and doubt—like Searching for Sunday and A Grief Observed. • The blend of humorous and heartfelt storytelling that makes faith exploration a little more human. Book Highlights: • The Divine Conspiracy – Dallas Willard • Celebration of Discipline – Richard Foster • The Screwtape Letters & Mere Christianity – C.S. Lewis • A Grief Observed – C.S. Lewis • Searching for Sunday – Rachel Held Evans • Surprised By Hope – N.T. Wright • The Prodigal God – Tim Keller • The Cost of Discipleship – Dietrich Bonhoeffer • Blue Like Jazz – Donald Miller • The Blue Parakeet – Scot McKnight • Breakthrough – Derek Morphew • Reappearing Church – Mark Sayers • Reframeation – Alan Hirsch & Mark Henderson • Her Gates Will Never Be Shut – Brad Jersak Resources Mentioned: • C.S. Lewis collection – cslewisinstitute.org • Celebration of Discipline – InterVarsity Press • Surprised by Hope by N.T. Wright – Amazon • The Voxology Non-ference and community resources – voxologypodcast.com Got questions of your own? Email them to hello@voxpodcast.com or message us on Facebook/Instagram. Your question may get featured in this Q&A mini-series! Subscribe, leave a rating, and follow Voxology to stay connected and support authentic conversations about faith and culture. We’re on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Shop our Merch Store: ETSY Support us on Patreon Listen on iTunes or Spotify Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook: facebook.com/voxologypodcast Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford (@GoneTimothy)  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How reading the Bible alongside survivors of sexual abuse can transform our understanding of Scripture, the church, and the mission of Jesus. Mike Erre sits down with theologian, pastor, and former Duke Divinity School dean Dr. Elaine Heath to discuss her powerful new book, Healing the Wounds of Sexual Abuse: Reading the Bible with Survivors. Digging into themes of trauma, patriarchal theology, the misuse of scripture, and the redemptive potential of re-reading scripture through a different lens, this episode invites listeners into a conversation that is both deeply challenging and profoundly hopeful. Dr. Heath shares her personal experience as a survivor and her journey into ministry—a path shaped by hardship, passion for Christ, and the call to reimagine theological education through the Neighborhood Seminary. Together, she and Mike explore how survivors offer wisdom the church desperately needs and how honest conversations around abuse, power, redemption, and scripture can lead to individual and communal healing. Key Takeaways: • Reading Scripture with the Marginalized – How engaging the Bible through the lens of abuse survivors—particularly women—uncovers new depths and meanings in familiar texts. • The Cost of Patriarchy in the Church – How patriarchal theology and the idolization of male authority have fostered environments of silence, shame, and abuse. • God’s Nearness to the Vulnerable – Dr. Heath’s profound insight into Matthew 25 and her personal encounter with Jesus’s presence during her own experiences of abuse. • A Call to Action for Churches – Practical and theological ways faith communities can become refuges for victims and centers for education, justice, and healing. • Fatherhood, Femininity & Representation – Why parents and churches must counter cultural pressures with a holistic, gender-inclusive theology of personhood and giftings. Guest Highlights: Dr. Elaine Heath – Author, theologian, and founder of the Neighborhood Seminary. As a professor and ordained United Methodist pastor, Dr. Heath's work uniquely bridges academic theology, pastoral care, and deep healing. In her book and this conversation, she powerfully argues that survivors offer critical theological insights the church must heed. Resources Mentioned: • Healing the Wounds of Sexual Abuse: Reading the Bible with Survivors by Elaine Heath • Neighborhood Seminary – neighborhoodseminary.org • FaithTrust Institute – faithtrustinstitute.org • Christians for Biblical Equality International – cbeinternational.org • Reviving Ophelia by Mary Pipher • Future Church by Wes Granberg-Michaelson • Tim Gombis – Faith Improvised Podcast • Shameless by Nadia Bolz-Weber Call to Action: Join the movement toward theology that heals. Share this episode with someone who needs it. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on Instagram and Facebook @voxologypodcast. Let's continue these conversations on justice, healing, and reclaiming Jesus's mission of love for the marginalized. As always, we encourage and welcome discussion. Send your questions or thoughts to hello@voxpodcast.com. Watch us on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Visit Our Merch Store: Etsy – Voxology Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Listen & Subscribe: • Apple Podcasts • Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon More curated music and conversation at Voxology Radio on Spotify Follow Mike: Twitter.com/mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the enemy-making machine has wormed its way into our churches—and how to dismantle it with spiritual discernment, humility, and a commitment to personal and communal reformation. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford are joined by theologian and author David Fitch to explore themes from his book “The Church of Us vs. Them: Freedom from a Faith That Feeds on Making Enemies.” Fitch presents a powerful critique of how evangelical churches have aligned with power, created ideological purity tests, and become known more for their enemies than for their love. Through wit, insight, and a bit of holy mischief, Fitch confronts how distinctives like inerrancy, eschatology, and gender roles evolve into antagonistic banners that suppress healthy dialogue. Instead, he advocates for a model of shared discernment, rooted in embodied theology, intentional community, and enemy-love in the spirit of Jesus. They deep-dive into complex, often polarized church conversations—particularly surrounding sexuality and biblical authority—and model what it looks like to pursue truth without resorting to vilification. Key Takeaways: • Banner vs. Belief – How important theological distinctives often turn into ideological weapons that prevent true discourse. • Understanding the Enemy-Making Machine – A framework for how churches build antagonistic identities by aligning against others, rather than toward Jesus. • Walking with Enemies – What it means to love those you disagree with, and why division can be avoided through listening and mutual submission. • Submission vs. Control – The importance of faithful theological leadership shaped in real communities of accountability, not coercive church systems. • Discerning in a Post-Christendom Culture – Why conflict is an opportunity to grow toward Christ's mission instead of drawing antagonistic battle lines. Guest Highlight: David Fitch – A pastor, theologian, and author committed to rethinking ecclesiology and culture through the Anabaptist tradition. He brings depth, humor, and prophetic edge as he explores how the church can rediscover its mission outside systems of power and division. Resources Mentioned: • David Fitch – The Church of Us vs. Them – Amazon Link • Missio Alliance Author Page – David Fitch on Missio • Andrew Marin – Us Versus Us • Tim Gombis – Faith Improvised podcast • Anthony Giddens – The Transformation of Intimacy • Bonhoeffer & the Confessing Church (historical reference) Join the conversation and share your own reflections on the banners you've carried—and how discernment might offer a better way forward. Be sure to subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay connected! As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How stepping away from evangelical subculture doesn’t always mean walking away from Jesus. Mike Erre, Tim Stafford, Bonnie, and special guest Andy Laura reunite for a raw and candid discussion on the rising wave of public deconstruction stories, including those of Josh Harris and Marty Sampson. They explore how rigid Christian systems often leave no space for doubt, grief, or change—and what a healthier path could look like for those questioning their faith. Highlighting how the evangelical church's rigidity, celebrity culture, and systematic certainty can actually fuel disillusionment, they call for a broader, more compassionate view of how faith evolves—and how to be people who hold pain well in others’ journeys. Key Takeaways: • Leaving Evangelicalism ≠ Leaving Jesus – Many people stepping away from evangelical structures are still pursuing truth, peace, and meaning—and some are finding Jesus more clearly outside those systems. • Deconstruction in the Spotlight – Reflections on Josh Harris and Marty Sampson’s public “falling away” and how the Christian response often lacks nuance and grace. • The Problem with the Purity and Celebrity Culture – How evangelicalism’s obsession with youthful influencers and certainty has become spiritually stifling for many, including its former leaders. • Responding with Compassion, Not Correction – The importance of making room for doubt, grief, and growth—especially for those wrestling with honest questions about hell, justice, and Christian hypocrisy. • Holding Pain Well – Why the church must be a safe place for honest wrestling and brokenness, not just praise and performance. Guest Highlights: Andy Laura – Former Vox Community pastor and original Voxology co-host, Andy brings his unique wit and wisdom back to the mic for a deep, poignant conversation about leaving ministry, parenting in chaos, and creating meaningful work post-pastoring. Resources Mentioned: • Josh Harris’s Instagram Post – “By all the measurements I have for defining a Christian, I am not one” • Stephen Colbert & Anderson Cooper on Grief – A masterclass in holding pain with dignity and hope • Sleepless Clothing Line – wearesleepless.com The Voxology crew invites you to question openly, process authentically, and walk humbly together toward a more honest expression of faith rooted in Jesus. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow the conversation on Instagram and Facebook. Help us build a community committed to justice, grace, and the beautiful mess of spiritual formation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How Paul’s vision of the cross calls the church to resist domineering power structures and create a radically different community rooted in the kingdom of God. In this fifth installment of the Exile Series, Mike Erre and special guest Dr. Timothy Gombis unpack a deeply political and countercultural lens for following Jesus, grounding the conversation in Paul’s letters and the gospel of Mark. Hear how our identity as the church reorients our political posture—not toward partisan divides, but toward the radical surrender, hospitality, and justice modeled by the crucified Christ. This wide-ranging conversation tackles nationalism, immigration, abortion, the misuse of Romans 13, the myth of a “Christian nation,” and the idolatry of power in both American culture and the evangelical church. Key Takeaways: • Politics as the Expression of Discipleship – Why Paul’s gospel is entirely political—but not in the way we think. The church is a political body under the lordship of Jesus. • The Cross as Political Suicide and Kingdom Triumph – Cruciformity (living in the shape of the cross) is not a private spirituality but a public, political resistance to domination, exploitation, and hierarchy. • Rejecting Empire Loyalties – How aligning Christianity with political parties or nationalism leads to idolatry, and why liberal/conservative labels distort the gospel's political implications. • Political Engagement ≠ Party Politics – Practical ways the church can embody Jesus’ politics today: from advocating for immigration reform to welcoming marginalized communities. • Interrogating the Pro-Life Identity – Gombis challenges a one-issue approach to Christian ethics by re-centering compassion, justice, and sustained action through the local church rather than political coercion. Guest Highlights: Dr. Timothy Gombis – Pauline scholar, professor at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary, and creator of the blog “Faith Improvised.” Gombis brings deep expertise on Paul’s political theology and gospel ethics, particularly around the themes of empire, identity, and cross-shaped living. His fresh reading of Mark and Paul's letters calls us to a bold reimagining of what it means to follow Jesus in the public square. Resources Mentioned: • Faith Improvised Blog – faithimprovised.blogspot.com • Michael Gorman – Inhabiting the Cruciform God – [Link] • Michael Gorman – Reading Paul – [Link] • Sylvia Keesmaat & Brian Walsh – Romans Disarmed – [Link] • Scot McKnight – Reading Romans Backwards – [Link] • Ephesians: The Drama of Ephesians by Tim Gombis – [Link] • Mark 4: The Parable of the Soils – Reimagined as a critique of superficial discipleship and misuse of Jesus’ message Join us in this vital conversation as we rethink what it means to be the Church in exile—a community shaped not by cultural battles or fear, but by radical love, justice, and the Lordship of the crucified Christ. Subscribe, leave a review on iTunes or Spotify, and follow @voxologypodcast on Instagram and Facebook to stay connected and be part of the ongoing dialogue. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy