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A powerful and deeply personal follow-up to episode 224 ("Together in Process"), this conversation invites listeners into the real-time journey of healing, restoration, and redemption. Mike Erre returns to share openly about his months-long process of owning his failures, confronting entrenched patterns of shame, and embracing the hard work of inner transformation. With contributions from co-hosts Bonnie and Tim, this episode models courageous vulnerability, celebrates emotionally healthy spirituality, and illuminates what it means to be pursued—even when exposed. Hear how Mike’s journey has been shaped through therapy, spiritual direction, tools like the Enneagram, and a deeply impactful experience at Onsite—a secular therapeutic program that helped reveal the sturdy presence of Jesus in unexpected spaces. The team reflects on the role of shame, the difference between sharing wounds and scars, and the powerful grace of being sung back into wholeness by a supportive community. This episode is for anyone navigating failure, hiding in shame, or yearning to believe redemption is possible—even in ministry spaces. It’s a story about how the grace of Jesus finds us in the dark and how true community helps us walk in the light. Key Takeaways: • Healing Requires More Than Behavior Management – True transformation isn’t about quick fixes but uncovering deeper wounds and habituating new patterns of living. • Holistic Growth Through Unlikely Tools – From the Enneagram to secular therapy, Mike shares how unexpected resources aligned with the gospel to bring genuine change. • Vulnerability and Boundaries – The wisdom of sharing scars, not open wounds, and how premature vulnerability can masquerade as authenticity. • Pursued in Our Shame – A reassuring reminder that Jesus doesn’t recoil from our brokenness. Instead, he meets us there—with grace. • Doing the Inner Work in Community – How friendships, relational accountability, and being truly known create the space for sustainable growth. Resources Mentioned: • Episode 224 – “Together in Process” • Onsite Workshops (Residential Therapy Programs) – onsiteworkshops.com • The Wisdom of the Enneagram by Don Riso & Russ Hudson • Poem: “Autobiography in Five Short Chapters” by Portia Nelson • Spiritual Direction info – voxologypodcast.com/resources • Dallas Willard’s Teachings on Formation • VOXOLOGY TV – YouTube Join our evolving, grace-filled conversation and help us cultivate spaces where honesty, healing, and discipleship grow together. Don’t forget to rate and review, subscribe, and follow us on social media—we’d love to hear your story and walk alongside you. As always, we encourage and welcome discussion. Email us at hello@voxpodcast.com or engage with us on Facebook and Instagram. Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Check out our Merch Store: Etsy Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook: Voxology Podcast Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the theology of “hopeful inclusion” and a reimagined understanding of judgment can expand your vision of redemption, freedom, and the character of God. In this eye-opening conversation, author and theologian Brad Jersak joins Voxology to discuss his acclaimed book, “Her Gates Will Never Be Shut,” which explores biblical and historical perspectives on hell, divine judgment, and the ultimate redemption of all things. Brad shares how a deeper dive into scripture, the early church fathers, and the layered symbolism of Revelation shifts our understanding of God’s justice from punishment to purification, and hell from eternal torment to transformative love. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who has wrestled with fear-based theologies, inherited beliefs about hell, or the unsettling silence around what judgment really means. Key Takeaways: • The Spectrum of Hell Theology – Breaking down common views including eternal conscious torment, conditional immortality (annihilationism), and ultimate redemption (a form of hopeful universalism). • Reorienting Judgment Through Love – Understanding God’s fire not as vengeance but restoration, drawn from numerous passages like Malachi 3 and 1 Corinthians 3. • Hope After Death – Revelation’s final chapters suggest the gates of the New Jerusalem are never shut, symbolizing ongoing invitation—even post-judgment. • Jesus in Hades – Exploring early Christian traditions of Jesus descending to Hades, setting captives free, and what it means for God’s victory over death itself. • There’s No Doctrine of Hell in the Creeds – Why hell was not considered a core requirement of Christian belief for the early church, and what that means for us today. • A Gospel of Love, Not Fear – Why the early Christian evangelists never used hell to convert, and how re-centering on Christ’s love transforms how we live and share our faith. Guest Highlight: Brad Jersak – Reverend, theologian, and author of more than 20 books including “Her Gates Will Never Be Shut.” Brad serves as Dean of Theology & Culture at St. Stephen’s University and offers a compelling vision of God’s restorative love, grounded in scripture and the teachings of the early church. Resources Mentioned: • Her Gates Will Never Be Shut by Brad Jersak – Amazon • St. Stephen's University – ssu.ca • Book: Jesus Showed Us (children’s book by Brad Jersak) • Ephesians 2, Malachi 3, 1 Corinthians 3, Revelation 20–22 • The Gospel of Nicodemus – Early Christian writing referenced in discussion Join the community of listeners engaging in conversations that challenge, affirm, and ultimately point us to the radical love of Jesus. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to be part of the evolving conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast "Like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How artifacts like broken pottery, ancient bread ovens, and fingerprints in clay awaken us to the real lives and faith of biblical peoples—and what that means for us today. Tim and Bonnie welcome Dr. Cynthia Shafer-Elliott, professor of Hebrew Bible and archaeology at William Jessup University, to talk all things context—biblical genre, ancient family structures, and why daily life matters just as much as kings and temples when reading scripture. Dr. Cynthia brings fresh perspective through her academic work and archeological field experience in Israel, digging into Iron Age homes from the time of Hezekiah and Isaiah. You’ll hear what she's learned from excavating ancient kitchens, how she distinguishes mythic genres from historic timelines, and why focusing on the “mundane” aspects of life radically reframes our understanding of God’s people in the Old Testament. Key Takeaways: • Valuing the Mundane – Why archeology focuses less on big discoveries and more on everyday items that reveal how people lived, worked, and worshiped. • Genre Shapes Meaning – How understanding biblical genres—like mythical history or household narratives—can transform how we interpret Old Testament passages. • Rethinking "Biblical Households" – Exploring how ancient Israelite households functioned under survival conditions with shared authority between matriarchs and patriarchs. • Women’s Roles in Ancient Culture – How archaeology challenges assumptions about patriarchy by revealing the essential role of women in food preparation, trading, and household leadership. • Living Faith in Dirt and Clay – What ancient fingerprints on pottery can teach us about God’s ongoing work through real human lives. Guest Highlight: Dr. Cynthia Shafer-Elliott – Associate Professor of Hebrew Bible and Archaeology at William Jessup University. With excavation experience at multiple sites in Israel and a specialization in daily life in ancient Judah, Cynthia brings both scholarly depth and tangible insight to the biblical text. Resources Mentioned: • NIV Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible – [Link] • New Oxford Annotated Bible (NRSV) – [Link] • William Jessup University – jessup.edu • Bible for Normal People Podcast (Pete Enns, Jared Byas) – biblefornormalpeople.com • BibleProject – bibleproject.com Want to keep digging into scripture with a richer lens? Subscribe to Voxology, leave a review, and follow us on IG @voxologypodcast for updates and bonus content. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Listen to the Voxology Spotify channel: Voxology Radio Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how perfect love, humble conviction, and courageous listening can help Christians engage politics without being divisive. Mike, Tim, and Bonnie welcome author, pastor, and activist Eugene Cho to talk about his new book, Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk: A Christian’s Guide to Engaging Politics. They dig into what it looks like to bring thoughtful, compassionate discipleship into political engagement in an era of fear, outrage, and division. The group explores what it means to love our neighbors on both sides of the political aisle, how fear-based ideologies distort faith, and why being faithful to the gospel is inherently political—but never partisan. Eugene shares his own story as a Korean immigrant and pastor navigating the often fraught intersections of justice, theology, and civic responsibility. Whether you're tired of political shouting matches or seeking to live a more grounded Christian witness in divisive times, this conversation provides wisdom, challenge, and hope for reclaiming a better way. Key Takeaways: • Faith Before Politics – Why theology must inform political values—not the other way around—and how political idolatries distort the witness of the church. • Rejecting Fear & Embracing Love – Examining how fear hinders faithful action and how perfect love casts it out, especially in divisive election seasons. • Whole-Life Ethic – Understanding what it means to be pro-life from “womb to tomb” and how voting with the marginalized in mind shapes Christ-like action beyond the ballot box. • The Creativity of Table Fellowship – Exploring how shared meals, listening, and humanizing conversations (like Make America Dinner Again) invite transformation in a polarized culture. • A Call to Humble Conviction – Why being grounded in Scripture, vulnerable to community, and open to being wrong are necessary postures for engaging political complexity as followers of Jesus. Guest Highlight: Eugene Cho – Speaker, pastor, and author of Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk, Eugene is the founder of Quest Church in Seattle and One Day’s Wages, a humanitarian org fighting global poverty. He offers a prophetic yet pastoral voice on Christian engagement in politics, identity, neighborliness, and gospel-based justice. Resources Mentioned: • Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk by Eugene Cho – Find it here • One Day’s Wages – onedayswages.org • Make America Dinner Again – makeamericadinneragain.com • 1 John 4:18 – “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear…” Let's commit to resisting fear, building bridges, and loving well in the public square. Subscribe to Voxology, leave a review, and share your thoughts on social—your input helps us shape a better conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the biblical pattern of liberation empowers us to confront economic injustice, redefine power, and co-create a more just world. In this dynamic episode of Voxology, Bonnie and Tim are joined by Don Golden—author, activist, theologian, and leader in faith-centered impact investing. Don brings decades of experience in international relief, political advocacy, and theological reflection to guide a conversation that challenges listeners to think deeply about what it means to be God’s liberating people in today’s complex world. From Exodus to economics, Don unpacks a prophetic framework of four biblical locations—Egypt, Sinai, Jerusalem, and Babylon—that mirror the spiritual and societal cycles we live in today. The episode explores how privilege distorts our reading of Scripture, how American Christianity risks irrelevance by aligning with earthly power, and how marginalized voices and refugee realities should shape the conscience of the church. Don also reflects on his journey from World Relief to founding JCQ—a consultancy committed to mobilizing generous capital for socially just businesses solving climate and poverty challenges in Africa and across the globe. Whether it’s microfinance in Burundi, refugee ministry, or AI cameras preventing elephant poaching, Don’s vision of “faithful finance” offers practical pathways for Christians to embody the mission of Jesus. Key Takeaways: • The Bible as a Book of Social Arrangements – Exploring how Scripture consistently centers justice for the marginalized and calls God’s people to live in covenantal community. • Power, Privilege, and Hermeneutics – How those with influence often misread the Bible and resist displacement, and why equality can feel like oppression to the powerful. • Four Biblical Locations of Spiritual Formation – Understanding Egypt, Sinai, Jerusalem, and Babylon as stages in personal and national transformation, and how the U.S. church might be repeating Israel’s cycle. • Refugees, Not Politics – What the dramatic drop in refugee resettlement under evangelical-aligned political leadership reveals about the American church’s abandonment of the gospel ethic. • Impact Investing for the Kingdom – Connecting capital with justice through small and medium enterprise growth, microfinance, and sustainable development as faithful expressions of Christian mission. Guest Highlights: Don Golden – Former Executive Director of Red Letter Christians and longtime leader at World Relief, Don offers a powerful convergence of theology, justice, and finance. As founder of JCQ (Just Capital Quotient), he now helps connect donors, churches, and investors to redemptive opportunities around the world through innovative impact investing. Resources Mentioned: • Don Golden’s Consultancy – donrgolden.com | Contact Don directly at don@donrgolden.com • Ghana Climate Innovation Centre – Promoting climate-smart enterprise development • Hope International – hopeinternational.org • Talanton Impact Investing – talantonllc.com • TrailGuard AI – AI camera tech for anti-poaching featured on Robert Downey Jr.’s The Age of AI • Matthew 25 – The parable of the sheep and goats • Microfinance & Village Banking – Initiatives referencing Muhammad Yunus and Grameen Bank • Previous Voxology Episode with Matthew Soerens – Deep dive into refugee conversations (Ep. 204) Join the conversation on justice, economic generosity, and the true mission of Jesus by subscribing, leaving a review, and connecting with Voxology Podcast on social media. Tell us your liberation story or share how your community is putting freedom into action. As always, we encourage and invite discussion as we pursue these ideas together. Email questions to hello@voxpodcast.com and follow the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. Watch on VOXOLOGY TV Shop Vox Merch on ETSY Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram @voxologypodcast and like us on Facebook Follow Mike Erre on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How rethinking sexuality beyond purity culture can lead to healing, empowerment, and deeper intimacy. Bonnie and Tim are joined by sexologist Dr. Celeste Holbrook for an honest, hilarious, and deeply needed conversation about disentangling shame, reframing abstinence, and reclaiming sexual wholeness within a Jesus-centered framework. Key Takeaways: • Separating Purity Culture from Abstinence – Why defining abstinence by fear and shame is damaging, and how making informed, autonomous decisions empowers both men and women. • Addressing Shame and Fear – How purity culture instilled unspoken trauma and confusion around sex, and how to begin the healing process from those messages. • Sex as a Behavior, Not a Drive – Reframing male sexuality away from uncontrollable urges and toward mutual emotional and physical connection. • Communal Healing Around Sexuality – How conversation, education, and sensual presence can begin to undo harmful narratives and help couples rediscover intimacy. • Intentional Parenting – Why the best sex ed starts early, involves real anatomical language, and begins with parents healing their own sexual narratives. Guest Highlights: Dr. Celeste Holbrook – A practical sexologist helping individuals and couples create healthy, pleasure-filled sex lives through education, open dialogue, and healing from shame. Celeste shares her personal story of sexual pain rooted in fear-based messaging and how it led her to a career helping others find sexual liberation and freedom in truth. Resources Mentioned: • Dr. Celeste Holbrook’s Website – drcelesteholbrook.com • 20 Sex-Enhancing Questions – Free downloadable couples’ resource from Celeste’s site • “Don’t F*** With Cats” (Netflix Documentary) – Referenced in a pop-culture sidebar (seriously) • Esther Perel’s Work – On intimacy, desire, and the psychological frameworks of sexuality • Voxology Episode Archives – Look for the “Sex, Love, and God” series with Mike Erre • Circle of Sensual Women – Dr. Celeste’s private Facebook group for discussion and support Let’s keep the conversation going. If you have further questions for Celeste, want a follow-up episode, or need a resource clarification, we’d love to hear from you! As always, we encourage thoughtful dialogue as we pursue wholeness in every area of life. Email us at hello@voxpodcast.com or engage with us on Instagram and Facebook. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy If today’s episode helped challenge old beliefs or spark a needed conversation, share it, leave a review, and tell a friend about Voxology. We’re all on this journey together—and you’re not alone.  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How reframing vocation through theology can transform our understanding of purpose, identity, and calling. In this enlightening conversation, Bonnie and Tim welcome author and Holy Post co-host Skye Jethani to explore the often misunderstood topic of vocation. Drawing upon Reformation theology, personal experience, and a global mindset, Skye breaks down the biblical framework of calling: the highest calling to God, our shared Christian callings, and our individual, Spirit-led callings. Whether you've felt pressure to choose between “sacred” and “secular” work, wrestled with vocational guilt, or wondered how desires intersect with God’s will, this episode unpacks how the church can better support believers in every walk of life and why your “ordinary” job may be more spiritual than you think. Key Takeaways: • Three Levels of Calling – Recovering the Puritan model of highest, common, and specific callings—and why it matters. • Your Job Isn’t Your Identity – How your value comes from being in communion with God, not your title or paycheck. • The Myth of Ministry Superiority – Debunking the sacred/secular divide and exploring how the church mistakenly reinforces vocational hierarchies. • Desire vs. Calling – How personal passions, career goals, and God’s direction can relate and sometimes misalign. • Vocational Discernment with Humility – Why circumstances, privilege, and spiritual maturity all shape how we live out our callings. Guest Highlights: Skye Jethani – Author, spiritual thought leader, and co-host of the Holy Post Podcast. He shares powerful insights from his experiences, historical theology, and his time mentoring students wrestling with calling. Skye also hosts The Movie Proposal Podcast. Resources Mentioned: • The Holy Post Podcast – HolyPost.com • The Movie Proposal Podcast – Apple Podcasts Link • Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson – Book Link • Radical Wellness - Spiritual Direction – radicalwellness.co • Tim’s New Book “Timshel” – Now available to backers; more details soon! Join us as we reflect on vocation not as a single career path, but as a response to God’s invitation into purpose, wherever we are and whatever we do. Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and be a part of our Voxology community online. As always, we encourage and welcome your questions and thoughts. Email us at hello@voxpodcast.com and join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. Watch full episodes on YouTube – VOXOLOGY TV Shop our merch at ETSY Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe: • Apple Podcasts • Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford | Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can pastors lead with openness, authenticity, and courage—especially in the face of anxiety, societal pressure, and denominational tension? In this powerful episode, Bonnie Lewis and Tim Stafford introduce Jenny Smith, a United Methodist pastor from Washington, who shares her deeply personal and transformational journey with anxiety, ministry, and discovering a contemplative rhythm called “Palms Up.” Whether you're a pastor, ministry leader, or seeker longing for a more integrated faith, this conversation offers wisdom, practical tools, and a compassionate invitation to lead and live with vulnerability and freedom. Key Takeaways: • Palms Up Leadership – Learn Jenny Smith’s four-step contemplative practice designed to cultivate presence, spiritual awareness, and trust in difficult moments: Show Up, Pay Attention, Cooperate with God, and Release the Outcome. • Courage in Vulnerability – Jenny shares a life-changing moment when she experienced a panic attack mid-sermon—and how her congregation’s response transformed her leadership, ministry, and relationship with authenticity. • Mental Health in Ministry – Why addressing anxiety and high-functioning stress in church leadership is essential to protecting wellbeing, longevity, and spiritual integrity in ministry. • The Power of Going First – How sharing struggles as a leader creates space for others to access healing, dismantle stigma, and cultivate more honest spiritual communities. • Contemplative Practices and Conflict – How practicing “Palms Up” can equip us to engage difficult conversations—including political and theological disagreements—with grace, presence, and humility. Guest Highlights: Jenny Smith – A United Methodist pastor, writer, and speaker who is passionate about spiritual formation, women in leadership, and creating safe, grace-filled spaces for transformation. Jenny is developing resources around Palms Up Leadership, including a forthcoming podcast. Resources Mentioned: • Jenny Smith’s Website – palmsup.co • Jenny Smith on Instagram – @jennysmithwrites • Elaine Heath’s Work – [Link] • "Love Does" by Bob Goff – [Link] • EMDR Therapy Info – [Link to EMDR resources] • Rob Bell Communication Workshop – [Link to Rob Bell events] Join the conversation and deepen your faith by learning to lead with your palms up. Subscribe to the Voxology Podcast, share your favorite takeaway, and follow us on Instagram or YouTube to stay connected with thought-provoking conversations and spiritual growth. We love hearing from you—email questions and reflections to hello@voxpodcast.com and follow the discussion on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the local church can embody the reign of Christ through self-giving love, radical hospitality, and a commitment to justice in the face of national political chaos. This powerful conversation with New Testament scholar Tim Gombis unpacks how Christians can resist cultural currents shaped by sin and death—instead bearing witness to the kingdom of God through embodied practices rooted in community. Tim Stafford, Bonnie Lewis, and Tim Gombis wade through important (and often overwhelming) questions about national politics, collective Christian identity, denominational history, modern evangelicalism, and the ripple effects of our everyday actions. But don't worry—before diving in, the trio also shares favorite films, irrational fears, strange personal facts, and why mayonnaise divides the room. Key Takeaways: • Kingdom Dynamics Over Culture Wars – Gombis outlines how Paul frames the world through the cosmic realms of the present evil age and the in-Christ reality, and what that means for the modern church. • Embodied Faithfulness – Why the truest political action for Christians happens in local churches through faithful presence, community care, and radical love—not through national allegiance or party loyalty. • Decolonizing Christian Identity – Exploring how white evangelicalism's history has shaped today's entanglement with political power, and the call for a reconstructed identity rooted in discipleship rather than dominance. • Voting as Part, Not the Point – Reframing activism beyond the ballot box by asking who is being clothed, fed, loved, welcomed, and restored by our communal commitments. • Spiritual Energy in Our Actions – A fascinating exploration into how even small daily actions participate in larger spiritual realities of renewal or destruction—a theological lens that reframes everything from neighborly kindness to the toxic cycles of social media debates. Guest Highlights: Tim Gombis – New Testament professor and host of the Faith Improvised podcast. A brilliant theological mind, Tim brings deep insight into Pauline thought, political theology, and the Enneagram, all while calling the church to rediscover its rootedness in Christ, not culture. Resources Mentioned: • Heated Conversation Event with Tim Gombis & Paul Martin – February 7 in Costa Mesa, CA • "Why We Dream" – Book recommendation exploring the purpose of dreaming and how the brain interprets reality • "Little Women", "Jojo Rabbit", "Parasite", "The Lighthouse" – Recent film recommendations and cultural reflections • Faith Improvised Podcast – Tim Gombis’s podcast Get involved in the conversation and bring your whole self to the journey of rediscovering Christ’s political vision. Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and share this episode with others who long to see the church recover her prophetic calling. As always, we encourage and love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store: ETSY - VOXOLOGY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can the church move forward with honesty, vulnerability, and healing when leadership fails or fractures arise within the community? Bonnie and Tim open this deeply honest episode with licensed therapist Elise Snipes, entering into what they call both a conversation and a process—a safe space for grief, anger, grace, and renewal. This marks a journey into how we, as the church, respond when our spiritual communities are shaken. Listeners are guided through a powerful, therapeutic framework designed to help navigate the emotional impact of last week’s news surrounding co-host Mike Erre. Elise leads a communal process of separating reactions into three containers—Mike’s story, your personal story, and the collective church story—offering clarity, compassion, and direction. If you’re carrying feelings of betrayal, anxiety, anger, guilt, or confusion, this episode creates space for you to be exactly where you are while equipping you with language and tools to move toward healing. Key Takeaways: • The Three Streams of Processing Pain – How to untangle what’s yours, what belongs to someone else, and what belongs to the larger community to gain clarity and respond with wisdom. • Shame vs. Conviction in the Church – Understanding the difference between healthy self-awareness and destructive shame that isolates and paralyzes us within Christian culture. • The Church’s Martyr Complex and Pastor Pedestal Problem – How systemic pressures, sin management cultures, and purity culture create toxic expectations and unsafe environments. • The Need for Spiritual and Emotional Safety – Why the church needs to become a place where pastors and congregants alike can be human, honest, and held in their process. • Pathways Forward – The importance of rebuilding trust, naming triggers, and forming communities centered around healing, shared responsibility, and hope. Guest Highlight: Elise Snipes – A licensed marriage and family therapist, creator of the Radical Wellness Collaborative, and host of the Trailercast podcast. Elise brings decades of experience rooted in holistic wellness, and offers Vox listeners a framework for understanding emotional responses, navigating systemic dysfunction, and reclaiming healing in community. Resources Mentioned: • elisesnipes.com – Learn more about Elise's therapy and coaching work • radicalwellness.co – A collective of therapists, spiritual directors, and coaches available for online support • The Trailercast Podcast – Hosted by Elise, offering wisdom on emotional health and healing • Reach out to Vox at hello@voxpodcast.com to contribute local therapist referrals or join micro-communities You are not alone in this process. Whether you’re grieving, confused, angry, numb, or hopeful, this conversation is for all of us journeying toward restoration and truth. Let’s keep rebuilding together. Subscribe, leave a rating, and join the conversation on Instagram or Facebook. As always, we encourage and welcome discussion as we pursue deeper wholeness together. Find us and continue the journey: • YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV • Merch Store: Etsy • Website: voxologypodcast.com • Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Spotify • Support us on Patreon • Follow on Instagram: @voxologypodcast | Facebook: VoxologyPodcast • Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre • Music by Timothy John Stafford (@GoneTimothy on social) We love you, Vox community. Keep leaning in—together.  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy