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Discover how personal stories of deconstruction, mental health struggles, and church leadership challenges shape our understanding of a centered faith community. Mike and Tim delve into listener emails, discussing the impact of bounded versus centered church models, and how embracing a centered approach fosters unity, love, and spiritual growth. Key Takeaways: Bounded vs. Centered Church Models – Understanding how shifting from a boundary-focused faith to a centered approach can transform personal and communal relationships within the church. Navigating Deconstruction – Exploring personal journeys of faith deconstruction, and how questioning traditional doctrines can lead to a deeper, more authentic relationship with Jesus. Mental Health and the Church – Discussing the church's role in supporting members struggling with mental illness, and the importance of compassion over judgment. Science and Faith Integration – Addressing the perceived conflict between science and faith, and how embracing both can enrich one's spiritual journey. Community and Conflict – Strategies for maintaining unity and love within a diverse church community, even amidst disagreements on theology, politics, and social issues. Guest Highlights: Seth Erre – Mike's son, Seth, makes a special appearance, bringing warmth and personal insights to the conversation. Resources Mentioned: Church Clarity – churchclarity.org – An organization working to minimize confusion and ambiguity around church policies. BioLogos – biologos.org – Exploring the harmony between science and biblical faith. Douglas Harink's Book "Resurrecting Justice" – Discussing justice in the context of the cross and resurrection. Fleming Rutledge – Author known for exploring themes of justice and atonement. Join us as we dive deep into these impactful stories and topics, seeking to foster a community centered on Jesus. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected and be part of the conversation.  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover seven essential ways to understand Jesus at the center of a centered church, and how redefining the Kingdom of God transforms our unity, mission, and understanding of discipleship. Mike and Tim delve deep into what it truly means to have Jesus as the center, exploring the implications for how we live out our faith in community. Key Takeaways: • Jesus Is Jewish – Recognizing the importance of Jesus's Jewish identity to fully grasp his teachings and mission within the context of Israel's history. • The Kingdom of God – Exploring Jesus's central message about the Kingdom and how it redefines salvation as a communal reality rather than an individualistic pursuit. • The Great Reversal – Examining how Jesus's upside-down Kingdom challenges societal norms, elevating the humble and redefining concepts of power and greatness. • Conflict with Powers – Discussing how embracing the Kingdom of God leads to inevitable conflict with existing powers and systems, both spiritual and earthly. • Jesus Reveals the Father – Understanding how Jesus redefines our concept of God by revealing the true character and heart of the Father. • A Cross-Shaped Life – Learning that the Kingdom of Jesus is cruciform, calling us to a life of self-sacrifice, service, and embodying the way of the cross. • The Role of Judgment – Considering Jesus's teachings on judgment and the importance of accountability within the Kingdom community. Resources Mentioned: • Paul Hiebert – Insights into bounded, fuzzy, and centered set churches. • Mark Baker – Discussions on centered churches and the centrality of Jesus. • N.T. Wright's Works – Contextualizing Jesus within first-century Judaism. • A.J. Levine's Teachings – Understanding Jesus's Jewish context. • "Death by Church" by Mike Erre – Exploring the concept of the Kingdom of God. Join the conversation as we journey together to clarify who Jesus is at the center and how that shapes our understanding of unity and mission in the church today. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected and be part of the discussion.  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Mike Erre and Tim Stafford continue their exploration of church models by diving deeper into what it means to practice discipline in centered communities. They discuss the transformative concept of love as a rugged commitment—a commitment to be with others, be for others, and help others move toward growth. Drawing from listener emails and personal experiences, they contrast bounded, fuzzy, and centered church approaches, emphasizing the importance of relational discernment over judgment, wisdom over rules, and the messy yet rewarding journey of living in authentic community. Key Takeaways: Love as a Rugged Commitment – Understanding love as a steadfast commitment to, with, and for others before guiding them toward transformation. From Judgment to Discernment – Differentiating between condemning judgment (bad krino) and relational discernment (good krino) in church discipline. Wisdom Over Rules – Emphasizing the importance of guiding others through wisdom rather than imposing strict rules, both in church contexts and parenting. The Power of Relational Dynamics – Exploring how genuine relationships founded on commitment and advocacy enable meaningful influence and growth within communities. Reframing the Gospel and Evangelism – Discussing the implications of starting with the right foundation of the gospel focused on the Kingdom rather than a bounded set of beliefs. Resources Mentioned: A Fellowship of Differents by Scott McKnight – Link Faith Improvised podcast by Tim Gombis – Link Previous episodes on Bounded, Fuzzy, and Centered Churches – Link Join the conversation as Mike and Tim unpack the complexities of practicing love and discipline in centered communities. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected and be part of the community. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the church can move from condemning boundaries to redemptive restoration through relational discernment, radical invitation, and the long-haul work of love. Mike, Tim, and surprise guest Seth Erre dive deep into what real church discipline looks like in a centered-set community—and how bounded and fuzzy churches often get it wrong. Part 5 of the Centered Set Series unpacks core differences between boundary-focused, fuzzy, and centered approaches—and how only the last can truly embody the grace of Jesus. Key Takeaways: • Bounded Church Discipline vs. Centered Restoration – Why enforcing moral or doctrinal rules often leads to shame, exclusion, and hiding rather than transformation. • The Importance of Relational Discernment – Why you can’t truly address spiritual formation without long-term, intentional relationship. • Fuzzy Set Pitfalls – How churches without clear direction avoid conflict yet lack the courage to uphold the call of Jesus in meaningful ways. • Jesus-Focused Invitation Over Religious Control – Approaching accountability as an invitational journey toward transformation rather than a list of checkboxes. • Learning from Painful Stories – Heartfelt listener deconstruction stories reveal the harm inflicted by rigid boundaries and the healing power of centered relationships. Bonus: Tim shares an Eddie Vedder quote about maturing activism and how it parallels the journey of deconstruction, growth, and center-set discipleship. Resources Mentioned: • Centered-Set Church by Mark Baker – [Link] • “Repenting of Religion” by Greg Boyd – [Link] • Romans 3:23 and Ephesians 2 (teased as upcoming conversation topics) • Episode Series: Centered Set Series • Book Mentioned: “Joy as an Act of Resistance” by Idles (referenced in passing) Join us as we practice discipling with grace, truth, patience, and Christ-centered community. Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review on Apple or Spotify, and engage with Voxology across social media. We’d love your questions and feedback too! Email us at hello@voxpodcast.com and let’s keep walking this journey together. We're on YouTube if you're into that kinda thing: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how shifting from bounded and fuzzy church models to a centered church approach can transform your faith community. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford dive deep into the distinctions between bounded, fuzzy, and centered churches, exploring how focusing on Jesus at the center fosters authenticity, inclusivity, and genuine discipleship. Key Takeaways: • Lines that Shame vs. Invitations to the Center – Understanding how bounded churches use boundaries that shame and exclude, while centered churches focus on inviting everyone towards Jesus without judgment. • Authentic Community and Uneven Discipleship – Exploring how centered churches allow for uneven discipleship paths, encourage questioning and doubting, and foster genuine relationships without the pressure of conformity. • Moving Beyond External Behaviors – Discussing the pitfalls of focusing solely on external behaviors and the importance of heart orientation and relational posture towards Jesus. • Redefining Doctrine and Beliefs – Examining how centered churches use doctrine to clarify the center rather than as boundaries to exclude, allowing for diverse understandings within the community. • Embracing the Messiness of Growth – Recognizing that while centered churches may be messier and lack rigid rules, they create space for real growth, transformation, and authentic faith journeys. Resources Mentioned: • "Centered-Set Church" by Mark Baker • Paul Hiebert's Work on Set Theory • Tim's Diagrams of Bounded, Fuzzy, and Centered Churches • "If I Should Fall Behind" by Bruce Springsteen Join us as we explore how embracing a centered church model can revolutionize your faith experience. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow the Voxology Podcast on social media to continue the conversation.  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how a centered-set framework can redefine church unity by focusing on Jesus rather than boundaries. Dive into Paul’s confrontation with Peter, revealing the importance of inclusion in faith practices. The hosts discuss hospitality and forgiveness as vital to community relationships, alongside a thoughtful examination of Christianity's moral complexities related to violence. They challenge traditional unity models and advocate for a relational approach that fosters authentic connections within the church.

Discover how reexamining justice and mercy through a Christ-centered lens challenges the death penalty, as Mike and Tim sit down with public defender Renee Monzon to discuss her journey and the Christian case against capital punishment. Key Takeaways: Rethinking Justice Through Jesus's Teachings – How Jesus's approach to mercy and justice calls Christians to oppose the death penalty. The Flaws in Capital Punishment – Exploring systemic issues, wrongful convictions, and the lack of deterrence associated with the death penalty. God's Mercy in Scripture – Discussing biblical narratives that highlight God's mercy over retribution, from Cain and Abel to Jesus's interactions with those deemed "worst of the worst." A Public Defender's Journey – Renee shares her path from aspiring international lawyer to advocating for death row inmates, inspired by her faith and commitment to true justice. Guest Highlights: Renee Monzon – A public defender specializing in death penalty cases in Ohio. Renee delves into how her Christian faith informs her work, emphasizing the importance of seeing the humanity in every person and challenging traditional notions of justice. Resources Mentioned: Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson – bryanstevenson.com/just-mercy Executing Grace by Shane Claiborne – executinggrace.com Rethinking Incarceration by Dominique DuBois Gilliard – ivpress.com/rethinking-incarceration Join the conversation and help us rediscover a justice system rooted in mercy and compassion. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected.  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Explore how confronting racism, misogyny, and division within the church can lead us toward genuine unity and reconciliation. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford engage in a deep conversation with Dr. Tim Gombis, unpacking the complexities of standing in solidarity with those who oppose the very teachings of Jesus and examining how a posture of confession, lament, and humble confrontation can transform our communities. Key Takeaways: The Challenge of Unity in a Divided Church – Understanding how to pursue unity with fellow believers who hold opposing or harmful beliefs. Embracing Confession and Lament – The importance of acknowledging our own complicity in systemic sins like racism and misogyny. Confronting Injustice from Within – How to lovingly confront harmful behaviors in our communities without self-righteousness. Role of the Church in Today's Society – Examining options for individuals and communities seeking to embody the values of Jesus amidst political turmoil. The Posture of Humility – Adopting a Christ-like attitude that focuses on self-examination before critiquing others. Guest Highlights: Dr. Timothy Gombis – New Testament scholar and author of Power in Weakness and The Drama of Ephesians. Dr. Gombis brings profound insights into the complexities of church unity, confession, and navigating societal issues from a biblical perspective. Resources Mentioned: Power in Weakness by Dr. Timothy Gombis – [Link] The Drama of Ephesians: Participating in the Triumph of God by Dr. Timothy Gombis – [Link] Faith Improvised Podcast – [Link] Shoutin' in the Fire by Dante Stewart – [Link] Gospel of Mark Chapter 13 – Jesus's teachings on the fall of the temple. Call to Action: Join us in this important conversation and share your experiences in pursuing unity within the church. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how real-life deconstruction stories can offer hope and guidance for navigating your own faith journey amidst religious trauma and doubt. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford delve into powerful listener stories, unpacking how experiences with church politics, restrictive doctrines, and personal struggles have impacted their spirituality. They discuss the complexities of questioning long-held beliefs, the process of reconstructing faith, and how to rediscover Jesus outside of traditional evangelical norms. Key Takeaways: Deconstruction Journeys – Listener stories highlight struggles with religious trauma, church politics, women's roles in the church, and purity culture. Navigating Faith and Doubt – Insights on how questioning long-held beliefs can lead to a deeper, more authentic relationship with Jesus. Understanding the Unforgivable Sin – Mike and Tim provide context and reassurance about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, alleviating common fears. Challenging Holiday Traditions – Exploring how religious upbringing affects perceptions of Christmas, and discussing ways to celebrate authentically amidst consumerism and past trauma. Resources Mentioned: Andy Crouch's Article – "Christmas Is for Everyone" – [Link] Advent Conspiracy – adventconspiracy.org "One Punk Under God" featuring Jay Bakker Join the conversation by subscribing to the Voxology Podcast, leaving a review, and following us on social media to stay connected and continue exploring faith in a community that values honest questions and authentic journeys.  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we stay faithful to the Jesus of the Gospels when American Christianity often looks nothing like Him? This deeply personal and reflective episode offers an honest mosaic of deconstruction stories from within the Voxology community. Mike and Tim read listener submissions about disillusionment, church trauma, and the painful cost of leaving behind institutional faith while rediscovering a more beautiful Jesus. Drawing from real-life experiences and the story of Mary losing and finding Jesus in the temple, they explore what it means to go back and find the Christ who challenges political idolatry and calls us into self-sacrificial love, not culture war victories. Key Takeaways: • Faithful Deconstruction – Personal stories shared with vulnerability show how crises of faith can actually draw us closer to the heart of Jesus rather than away from Him. • The Beauty of the Gospel – Why the real work of discipleship is immersing ourselves in the Jesus revealed in the Gospels and modeling our image of God on Him alone. • Confronting Political Idolatry – Challenging the idea that Christianity is tied to political allegiance, and re-centering on the upside-down kingdom Jesus proclaimed. • Jesus as the Full Image of God – Reframing our understanding of God by holding to the New Testament truth that Jesus is the "exact representation" of God’s being—and why this matters. • Rediscovering Jesus Beyond Religion – Encouragement for those feeling spiritually homeless: Jesus is still at the center, and we find Him not through performance or belief systems, but through grace, presence, and love. Resources Mentioned: • [Colossians 1 & 2; Hebrews 1] – Passages describing Jesus as the full image of God • [Luke 2:41-52] – Narrative of Mary and Joseph losing and finding Jesus in the temple • [Matthew 5–7, The Sermon on the Mount] – Jesus’ upside-down values for the kingdom • voxologypodcast.com – Take the listener survey, read the newsletter, and explore playlists Whether you're deconstructing, reconstructing, or simply showing up, you're not alone. Join the Voxology community in wrestling together toward a truer, deeper faith in Christ. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on Instagram and Facebook to stay connected. As always, we encourage feedback and conversation—email us at hello@voxpodcast.com or comment on our social media. We’re on YouTube at VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Support us on Patreon Listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts Voxology Radio Spotify Channel: Voxology Radio Music by Timothy John Stafford | @GoneTimothy on Instagram & Twitter  As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy