

Talking Law with Dr Sally Penni MBE
Women in the Law UK
Presented by multi-award winning barrister Sally Penni, Talking Law profiles leading figures in UK law as they discuss the highs and lows of their career plus the challenges and realities of the legal profession. From Women in the Law UK www.womeninthelawuk.com
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Jul 1, 2022 • 1h 7min
Banke Odunaike
Welcome to a brand new season of Talking Law with Sally Penni MBE!This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Banke A. Odunaike, Head of Legal in EMEA at CBRE. CBRE is a real estate firm that offers a range of services to help companies with all their property needs. With over 100k employees across 100 different countries, they are the largest company of their kind in the world.Banke shares how her love of the judiciary began at an early age, earning her the nickname ‘The Shortest Judge’ or SJ for short.Banke looks back upon the hard time she went through when securing a training contract; the multiple rejection letters she received and offers some advice to anyone starting out on that journey.Banke also reveals the initiatives that she is working on at CBRE to champion Diversity and Inclusion, and also considers how the industry can do more to futher D&I within the GC space. Hear a fascinating story of how Banke dealt with a situation where her daughter had experienced racism at school, using an analogy of a rainbow.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1

Apr 20, 2022 • 41min
Alison Fagan
This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Alison Fagan. Ali is a Construction Disputes Partner and the Head of the Infrastructure Funds Sector Group at DLA Piper UK LLP. Ali provides risk management advice on distressed, high value or strategically critical infrastructure projects for a wide ranging pool of clients, from private sector partners to delivery contractors. Alison talks about her organisation which, despite being in a male-led industry, is demonstrating a wealth of female talent and shares what they are doing to promote diversity and equality in the workplace. She also talks about the challenges the organisation faces when promoting diversity, including staff retention, and how businesses can adapt to better retain good people.Alison reflects on her experiences of imposter syndrome at work, and offers some fantastic advice for anyone who may be feeling similar in how to challenge those thoughts and misconceptions.This episode is supported by DLA Piper.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

Apr 13, 2022 • 48min
Leroy Logan
In this episode, Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Leroy Logan. Leroy was a highly-decorated Superintendent with the Metropolitan Police – a career that culminated with his work on the Olympic Security Team overseeing the London 2012 games. He was a member of the Black Police Association for over 30 years and was 1st National Chair 1998-99 and London Chair 2000-04, as well as being a founder member for both the London and National BPAs.Leroy reveals how Oscar-winning director Steve McQueen came to make a BBC TV drama about his life as a police officer, and how Leroy even helped with scripting the show. Leroy also reflects on his life-long career with the police and the positive influence his parents had on his life.Now, Leroy’s next ambition is to become a children’s author. Currently less than 5% of children's books are from black and minority ethnic backgrounds and even fewer are from a male perspective so Leroy intends to offer an alternative discourse in children’s literature.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

Apr 6, 2022 • 40min
Daniel Winterfeldt
This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Daniel Winterfeldt. Daniel is a Managing Director and the General Counsel for EMEA and Asia at Jefferies. He is a senior corporate and securities lawyer with over 22 years of experience in London and New York.Daniel reveals what it was like arriving in London as an openly gay man at a time when sexuality was not discussed, and how his experiences led to him starting the Interlaw Diversity Forum as an LGBT+ network for legal professionals.Daniel also reveals some of the findings of the Model Diversity Survey and explores how the legal profession could adapt to be more inclusive, diverse and attune to societal issues.This episode is supported by Interlaw Diversity Forum.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

Dec 1, 2021 • 54min
John Croft
This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with John Croft.John is president and Co-Founder at Elevate, a legal services company which provides legal expertise to clients all over the world. In today’s episode hear how John champions diversity and inclusion at Elevate as well as how he manages work-life balance, particularly amongst colleagues who are working across multiple time zones.This episode is supported by Elevate.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

Sep 22, 2021 • 55min
Paul McFarlane
This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Paul McFarlane.Paul is a partner at Capsticks and manages a team of lawyers providing the full range of employment law advice to health, police and emergency services clients.In this episode Paul reveals why he was always fascinated by employment law and shares his motivations for being a Board Director for the Black Solicitors Network. He also discusses the various work of the BSN and its role within the profession and wider society. Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.comThis episode is supported by Capsticks LLP

Sep 6, 2021 • 1h 2min
Sandie Okoro
This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Sandie Okoro.Sandie was born and raised in London, but currently lives and works in Washington DC. She qualified both as a barrister and a solicitor and is currently the senior vice president and general counsel at the World Bank Group. Among her many awards and accolades she has received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Black Solicitors Network, and has been named as one of the top twenty global General Counsels.In this episode Sandie reveals the prejudice she faced from an early age and how that motivated her to pursue a career in the law. She also outlines the qualities that she believes make a strong team leader and details how she looks after her wellbeing alongside her work.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

Aug 25, 2021 • 51min
Martin Shaw
This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Martin Shaw.Martin is an English actor famous for many roles, including that of Judge John Deed in the BBC legal drama.Martin talks passionately about his role and why he’s so proud to be a patron of the Kalisher Trust, an organisation which works to inspire and inform the next generation of legal professionals through advocacy training, internships and so much more. Martin reflects on the acting work he was able to continue doing during the lockdowns, and reveals the legal roles that he would love to play.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

Aug 4, 2021 • 21min
Max Hardy
This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Max Hardy.Max is a barrister practicing from 9 Bedford Row. Called in 2004, Max has worked on everything from murder trials at the Old Bailey to speeding cases at Romford Magistrates' Court! Max reveals his motivation for joining the Bar Council and The Kalisher Trust, which works to inspire advocacy and help people from diverse backgrounds to join the bar. He also talks about the time he participated in the prosecution of Goldilocks, to as a means of teaching legal concepts in primary schools.Max also shares some fantastic advice for anyone wanting to join the bar – to really utilise social media to immerse yourself in the profession and develop your contacts.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com

Jul 28, 2021 • 48min
Donna Scully
This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Donna Scully.Donna is an exceptionally experienced lawyer having won several awards and has been active in shaping both legislation and best-practice across the personal injury and insurance sectors for nearly 25 years.Donna talks about her unusual route into the law, and why gender diversity has been so crucial to the success of their business.Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 This episode is kindly sponsored by Carpenters Group. Carpenters Group are one of the UKs leading providers of insurance and legal services, delivering a variety of claims solutions to insurers, brokers and policyholders, with 1000 employees across five locations.Find us on LinkedIn or at WomenInTheLawUK.com


