
The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast
The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast uses a family systems theory approach to increase your spiritual, emotional and physical well-being so you can be the best leader possible. Each episode explores research and practical tips to help you be a personal and professional non-anxious presence.
Latest episodes

Apr 14, 2025 • 10min
Episode 326: Control vs. Curiosity - A Family Systems Take on Martha Beck's Book, Beyond Anxiety
Explore the battle between control and curiosity in dealing with anxiety. Discover how Martha Beck’s and Edwin Friedman’s ideas intertwine to reveal the anxiety spiral and its effects on creativity. Learn how understanding the amygdala's role can transform leadership and encourage a more curious approach. Dive into strategies for self-regulation that unleash creativity even in anxious environments, fostering a greater sense of well-being and purpose.

Apr 7, 2025 • 11min
Episode 325: Non-Anxious Leaders Understand They Are Not in Control (Rebroadcast)
A paradox in leadership is that we think we can control more than we actually can. This leads to micromanaging, which is more damaging than helpful. This episode shows how leadership through self-differentiation is different and more effective.Show Notes:How to Solve the Leadership Paradox | Inc.com by David FinkelBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Mar 31, 2025 • 12min
Episode 324: Defiance as Self-Differentiation (and Three Steps to Do It Well)
Here's how Dr. Sunita Sah's definition of defiance is self-differentiation and how you can do it skillfully.Show Notes:DEFY : The Power Of No In A World That Demands Yes — Sunita SahBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Mar 24, 2025 • 12min
Episode 323: How Self-Differentiation Makes You Happier
Evolutionary forces have created two competing psychological needs that contribute to happiness. Here's what they are, as well as the difference that self-differentiation makes.Show Notes:For a happier life, we must balance two old psychological needs by William von HippelThe Hadza: Hunter-Gatherers of Tanzania by Frank MarloweBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Mar 17, 2025 • 11min
Episode 322: 5 Ways Self-Differentiation Builds Resilience (Rebroadcast)
Self-differentiation is about knowing your own goals and values, which builds resilience. Here’s the research that shows why.Show Notes:How To Be Resilient: 5 Secrets To Success When Life Gets Impossible by Eric BarkerBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Mar 10, 2025 • 11min
Episode 321: Two Levels of Self-Differentiation (Rebroadcast)
Dr. Michael Kerr, who studied under Murray Bowen, identifies two levels of self-differentiation. Here’s what they are and why they matter to the non-anxious leader.Show Notes:Interview with Michael Kerr 2007 from the Family Systems InstituteDr. Michael KerrBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Mar 3, 2025 • 12min
Episode 320: How to Lead Underfunctioning Followers
Explore the fascinating dynamics between overfunctioning leaders and underfunctioning followers. Discover how anxiety-driven leadership can create dependency and hinder team growth. Learn strategies to empower disengaged team members by fostering autonomy and emotional connections. Boost self-management and resilience among your followers to enhance team performance and accountability. Uncover the importance of stepping back to unlock your team's full potential!

Feb 24, 2025 • 13min
Episode 319: How NOT to Parent (or Lead)
Explore the pitfalls of overparenting and how it stifles children's growth and resilience. Discover the parallels between anxious parenting and leadership styles that inhibit independence. Emphasize the value of effort over outcomes to foster intrinsic motivation. Hear compelling stories about the impact of a non-anxious presence in helping individuals learn from failures. It's a deep dive into how less involvement can lead to stronger, more autonomous leaders and kids.

Feb 17, 2025 • 11min
Episode 318: How to Handle People Who Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt (FOG) to Manipulate You
Emotionally dependent people make demands that often use fear, obligation and/or guilt. Here's how to manage yourself and the situation.Show Notes:How to Disarm any NarcissistBehavior Expert Reveals Exactly What To Say To A Narcissist - Chase HughesSubscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Feb 10, 2025 • 14min
Episode 317: 3 Things You Need to Know to Lead in a Hostile Environment (Rebroadcast)
How we respond to challenge and crisis is a big factor in whether we will survive and even thrive. These three factors come from a lecture that Edwin Friedman gave in 1985.Show Notes:Generation to Generation: Family Process in Church and SynagogueThe Center for Family ProcessSubscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.
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