
The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast
The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast uses a family systems theory approach to increase your spiritual, emotional and physical well-being so you can be the best leader possible. Each episode explores research and practical tips to help you be a personal and professional non-anxious presence.
Latest episodes

Jul 14, 2025 • 16min
Episode 339: Unpacking the Responsibility Triangle (Rebroadcast)
You can’t make another person responsible. If you’re trying, you’re likely doing it wrong. Here’s why and how you can do better.Show Notes:Generation to Generation: Family Process in Church and Synagogue by Edwin FriedmanBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday emails.

Jul 7, 2025 • 12min
Episode 338: Assuming You Know What Others Are Thinking Undermines Self-Differentiation
Dive into the intriguing world of self-differentiation and the mischief of assumptions! Discover how guessing others’ thoughts can undermine authentic connections. Explore the art of navigating emotional connections and decision-making. Learn to reflect on past experiences and reframe them for a more confident future. The journey encourages embracing your own values while respecting others, fostering better communication and understanding. It's time to break free from anxiety and truly express yourself!

Jun 30, 2025 • 13min
Episode 337: Nobody Likes to Be Told What to Do (Do This Instead)
Dive into the fascinating world of psychological reactance and discover how to inspire without pushing buttons. Learn how rephrasing language can influence behavior, especially in engaging teens with healthier choices. Explore the significance of identity in leadership and its impact on relationships. Unpack how self-definition can enhance leadership in worship settings, blending personal beliefs with community values. This episode is a treasure trove of insights for effective leadership!

Jun 23, 2025 • 15min
Episode 336: Four Types of Triangles and How to Manage Them (Rebroadcast)
The triangle is the most stable form of human relationship. Learning to recognize a triangle and how to manage it is essential to being a non-anxious leader.Show Notes:Kathleen Smith, PhD, LPCBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Jun 16, 2025 • 12min
Episode 335: 5 Ways to Lead during a Societal Regression
In A Failure of Nerve, Edwin Friedman maintained that societal regression is counter evolutionary. In this episode, I unpack his five evolutionary principles of life as leadership principles.Show Notes:Become a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Jun 9, 2025 • 14min
Episode 334: Why a Quick Fix Is No Answer (Rebroadcast)
Anxious people want a quick fix. Non-anxious leaders know this is not the answer. Here's why, as well as how you can respond to challenge in a way that will make a difference.Show Notes:How to avoid the most seductive leadership mistake by Ed O'Malley and Julia Fabris McBrideBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Jun 2, 2025 • 13min
Episode 333: What in the World Is Going on Right Now? - Part 2 of 2
This episode explores Murray Bowen's prediction for when we will emerge from the current societal regression, as well as what that will look like.Bonus: a few examples of a self-differentiated leader right now.Show Notes:A Perspective on a World on Fire: Societal Regression by Michael KerrSocietal Emotional Process — The Bowen Center for the Study of the FamilySocietal Anxiety/Regression - The Murray Bowen Archives ProjectBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 26, 2025 • 10min
Episode 332: What in the World Is Going on Right Now? - Part 1 of 2
Murray Bowen's concept of societal regression helps to understand the conflict and division we face in society today. This episode explains what that is and my takeaways on this.Show Notes:Reflections on Societal Regression by Stephanie FerreraA Perspective on a World on Fire: Societal Regression by Michael KerrBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 19, 2025 • 12min
Episode 331: The Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" IS Self-Differentiation - Part 3 of 3
This episode covers how Mel Robbins' deals with overfunctioning and the similarities to family systems theory.Show Notes:The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins“The Let Them Theory” Book Summary, Chapter-by-Chapter by Vanessa Van EdwardsBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 12, 2025 • 12min
Episode 330: The Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" IS Self-Differentiation - Part 2 of 3
This episode covers how Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" applies to leadership through self-differentiation. Show Notes:The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins“The Let Them Theory” Book Summary, Chapter-by-Chapter by Vanessa Van EdwardsBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.