
The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast
The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast uses a family systems theory approach to increase your spiritual, emotional and physical well-being so you can be the best leader possible. Each episode explores research and practical tips to help you be a personal and professional non-anxious presence.
Latest episodes

Jun 30, 2025 • 13min
Episode 337: Nobody Likes to Be Told What to Do (Do This Instead)
Understanding the concept of psychological reactance can help you avoid a concept of wills and increase the chances that people will react positively to your leadership.Show Notes:Rebel with a Cause - Choiceology PodcastBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Jun 23, 2025 • 15min
Episode 336: Four Types of Triangles and How to Manage Them (Rebroadcast)
The triangle is the most stable form of human relationship. Learning to recognize a triangle and how to manage it is essential to being a non-anxious leader.Show Notes:Kathleen Smith, PhD, LPCBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Jun 16, 2025 • 12min
Episode 335: 5 Ways to Lead during a Societal Regression
In A Failure of Nerve, Edwin Friedman maintained that societal regression is counter evolutionary. In this episode, I unpack his five evolutionary principles of life as leadership principles.Show Notes:Become a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Jun 9, 2025 • 14min
Episode 334: Why a Quick Fix Is No Answer (Rebroadcast)
Anxious people want a quick fix. Non-anxious leaders know this is not the answer. Here's why, as well as how you can respond to challenge in a way that will make a difference.Show Notes:How to avoid the most seductive leadership mistake by Ed O'Malley and Julia Fabris McBrideBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Jun 2, 2025 • 13min
Episode 333: What in the World Is Going on Right Now? - Part 2 of 2
This episode explores Murray Bowen's prediction for when we will emerge from the current societal regression, as well as what that will look like.Bonus: a few examples of a self-differentiated leader right now.Show Notes:A Perspective on a World on Fire: Societal Regression by Michael KerrSocietal Emotional Process — The Bowen Center for the Study of the FamilySocietal Anxiety/Regression - The Murray Bowen Archives ProjectBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 26, 2025 • 10min
Episode 332: What in the World Is Going on Right Now? - Part 1 of 2
Murray Bowen's concept of societal regression helps to understand the conflict and division we face in society today. This episode explains what that is and my takeaways on this.Show Notes:Reflections on Societal Regression by Stephanie FerreraA Perspective on a World on Fire: Societal Regression by Michael KerrBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 19, 2025 • 12min
Episode 331: The Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" IS Self-Differentiation - Part 3 of 3
This episode covers how Mel Robbins' deals with overfunctioning and the similarities to family systems theory.Show Notes:The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins“The Let Them Theory” Book Summary, Chapter-by-Chapter by Vanessa Van EdwardsBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 12, 2025 • 12min
Episode 330: The Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" IS Self-Differentiation - Part 2 of 3
This episode covers how Mel Robbins' "Let Them Theory" applies to leadership through self-differentiation. Show Notes:The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins“The Let Them Theory” Book Summary, Chapter-by-Chapter by Vanessa Van EdwardsBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

May 5, 2025 • 10min
Episode 329: The Mel Robbins "Let Them Theory" IS Self-Differentiation - Part 1 of 3
Mel Robbins doesn't say it, but her Let Them Theory resonates with family systems theory. Here's how.Show Notes:The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins“The Let Them Theory” Book Summary, Chapter-by-Chapter by Vanessa Van EdwardsBecome a Patron for as little as $5/month.Subscribe to my weekly Two for Tuesday email newsletter.

Apr 28, 2025 • 14min
Episode 328: 5 Things That Help You to Be a Non-Anxious Presence (Rebroadcast)
Being a non-anxious presence doesn’t come naturally. Here’s what you can do to better prepare for difficult situations. Show Notes:People With High Emotional Intelligence Use 5 Simple Words to Become Exceptionally Persuasive by Bill Murphy Jr.