
Enter the Boardroom with Nurole
Enter the Boardroom lifts the veil on the secretive world of boards, giving you the information you need to get more board roles and become better board members. Join Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings as he sits down with the extraordinary people shaping today's and tomorrow's boardrooms.
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May 15, 2024 • 40min
69. Alexander Denny, AIC Committee Chair - Investment trust boards: managing managers, defining moats, addressing discounts, and building a plural career
Alex Denny is Committee Chair at the Association of Investment Companies and Trustee at the Nautical Archeology Society. He is a former Managing Director at Pantheon Ventures and Head of Investment Trusts at Fidelity International. Tune in to his conversation with Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings to hear his answers to: Can you give us an overview of the investment trust sector and its appeal for board members? (2:06) What are the hallmarks of the best and worst investment trust boards you’ve seen? (5:32) How many board members are brave enough to split with eponymous fund managers? (7:56) How can investment trust boards hold their managers to account? (11:09) What do you see the best investment trust boards doing around strategy? (19:08) How are the best boards addressing discounts? (26:41) How have you built your plural career in investment trusts? (30:25) How have your non-exec roles influenced your executive career? (33:56) And ⚡The Lightning Round ⚡(37:05) Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

May 8, 2024 • 43min
68. Baroness Helena Morrissey - Taking a stand: how board members can challenge successfully
Baroness Morrissey is former/Chair of Altum Group, Fidelis Insurance Group, Investment Industry Diversity Project, AJ Bell and The Investment Association. In this conversation with Nurole CEO, Oliver Cummings, she answers: Did you see the fee issues at St James’s Place coming? (1:42) How can board members challenge the status quo successfully? (5:52) How do you decide when to stand down and when to dig in? (12:00) What do you know now which you wish you’d known at the beginning of your non-exec career? (13:36) As a board member, how do you build honest and trusting relationships with colleagues? (15:28) What are your most effective board rituals as a Chair? (18:07) How do you formulate strategy with management? (25:19) How can Chairs be more inclusive? (29:25) What is the board’s role in supporting working parents? (31:04) And ⚡The Lightning Round ⚡(39:54) Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

Apr 30, 2024 • 45min
67. Alex Edmans - Lies in the boardroom: the stories, studies and statistics that mislead boards
Alex Edmans, a finance professor, discusses the impact of diversity on corporate culture and performance, challenges in measuring diversity, debunking myths about CEO incentives, and biases in decision-making. He emphasizes the importance of overcoming biases for effective board decisions and advocates for blending individual experiences with research data for better board performance.

Apr 17, 2024 • 38min
66. Sir Richard Dearlove, former Mi6 Chief - Intelligence: managing information, experts and the court of public opinion in the boardroom
Former Mi6 Chief, Sir Richard Dearlove, shares insights on receiving accurate information from execs, lessons from AIG's implosion, managing public opinion, encouraging risk-taking, crisis management, and balancing expertise with common sense in the boardroom

Apr 10, 2024 • 39min
65. Stuart Roden - Investors in the boardroom: getting the right CEO, capital allocation, and adding value as former investors
Stuart Roden is Chair / former Chair of Lansdowne Partners, Hetz Ventures, Lewis Advisors, Tresidor, the Design Museum and Unlocking Potential, NED at LSE and Trustee at the National Gallery and Centre for Social Justice. In this conversation with Nurole CEO, Oliver Cummings, Stuart covers: When you were an investor, did the quality of the board come into your investment evaluation? (1:34) Do boards justify their costs? (4:48) Do you think the board is more about governance than value creation? (8:15) Where and why have you made mistakes, hiring the CEO? (12:38) How do you build the best relationship with your CEO? (19:39) Practically, as a Chair, how do you make sure you are discussing what you need to with your CEO? (24:01) How do investors add value as board members? (25:47) How do you think about capital allocation and return on resources in the boardroom? (28:53) And ⚡The Lightning Round ⚡(33:04) Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

Apr 3, 2024 • 44min
64. Baroness Dambisa Moyo - Boardroom surprises: black swans, dual-track strategising and marketing yourself as an unconventional board member
Baroness Dambisa Moyo, a board member for Chevron and Conde Nast and a New York Times bestselling author, shares her insights on boardroom dynamics with Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings. She discusses the challenges of uncertainty in governance and how effective boards adapt to risks. Moyo emphasizes the importance of diverse backgrounds in board roles and introduces her dual-track approach to strategy. She also reflects on lessons learned from rapid CEO turnovers and the importance of ethical leadership during tumultuous times.

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Mar 26, 2024 • 34min
63. Roger Martin - Board failure (2/2): the board’s role in assessing and communicating strategy and hiring strategically-minded non-execs
Ranked the world's #1 management thinker, Roger Martin discusses the board's role in developing and communicating strategy, hiring the best people, and the potential of every organization to build a winning strategy. The Lightning Round at the end adds a fun twist to the conversation.

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Mar 19, 2024 • 33min
62. Roger Martin - Board failure (1/2): why boards are worst when they need to be best, where they still add value, and the lost art of strategy
Ranked #1 management thinker Roger Martin discusses the value and struggles of boards, their role in strategy development, and the importance of collaboration between the board and executive team in this thought-provoking podcast.

Mar 12, 2024 • 37min
61. Cathy Turner - Building a plural board career: how to network effectively, develop expertise spikes, overcome uncertainty and position yourself as a candidate
In recent years, Cathy has built a broad plural career at listed companies, with current NED positions at Lloyds Banking Group plc, Rentokil plc and Spectris plc. Tune in to her conversation with Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings to hear her thoughts on: How did you get your first NED position? (1:50) How did you turn that first position into a plural career? (7:55) To what extent has your performance in current positions created more non-exec opportunities in the future? (11:28) What have been the most challenging moments in building your non-exec career? (14:55) Where do you go for support as a board member? (19:18) Did you consciously develop a board expertise spike in remuneration? (21:30) What are the different archetypes people can lean into to develop their board careers? (24:51) ⚡The Lightning Round ⚡(28:55) and (Audience question) How do you pitch yourself as a first-timer versus someone who has a portfolio of non-executive roles? (32:52) Host: Oliver Cummings Producer: Will Felton Editor: Alex Fish Music: Kate Mac Audio: Nick Kolt Email: podcast@nurole.com Web: https://www.nurole.com/nurole-podcast-enter-the-boardroom

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Mar 5, 2024 • 43min
60. Dr Sabine Dembkowski - Board reviews: how to make board effectiveness reviews effective
Dr Sabine Dembkowski, a renowned board advisor, discusses the importance of board reviews, common misconceptions, key factors for board effectiveness, and the value of feedback in improving board performance. Topics include why private companies are hesitant to conduct reviews, capturing valuable data, defining board effectiveness, common pitfalls in reviews, and the role of external observers in enhancing board performance.
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