

The Dirt Dog Pod
Chris Hatch
The Dirt Dog Pod is your go-to podcast for all things retail real estate, featuring candid conversations with industry experts, investors, brokers, developers, and retailers. Each episode dives into the gritty details of navigating the complex world of retail spaces. Whether you're a newcomer to commercial real estate or a seasoned pro, this podcast will equip you with the knowledge you need to thrive in the competitive world of retail real estate. Get ready for unfiltered conversations, expert tips, and plenty of "dirt" on what it really takes to succeed in the industry!
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Aug 8, 2025 • 53min
Going Above & Beyond for Their Franchisees - David Slavny, Chief Development Officer for The Learning Experience
David Slavny, CDO of The Learning Experience joins us on the Dirt Dog Pod to discuss the rapidily growing daycare market. Discover how TLE navigated the challenges of COVID-19, the role of franchisees in their growth strategy, and the unique approach they take to site selection and development. We also explore TLE's innovative use of characters, like Bubbles and Friends, to create engaging and educational content that resonates with children and parents alike. Whether you're a budding entrepreneur or a seasoned real estate professional, this episode offers valuable insights into the dynamic daycare industry and the importance of strategic partnerships. Tune in to learn more about the future of TLE and the exciting opportunities ahead.

Jul 18, 2025 • 54min
Become the "Most Loved" Company - Shawn Nelson, Founder & CEO of Lovesac
In this engaging conversation, Shawn Nelson, the founder and CEO of Lovesac, recounts his incredible journey from a spontaneous beanbag idea to a billion-dollar brand. He discusses the challenges of building a beloved company culture and the importance of resilience during setbacks, including navigating Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Shawn shares insights into entrepreneurship, emphasizing risk-taking and innovation. Listeners will appreciate his philosophy of 'Design for Life' and how it has shaped Lovesac’s identity and success.

Jul 11, 2025 • 58min
Teacups of Joy at Mountain Mike's - Garret Snyder & Rob Campos, Mountain Mike's Pizza
This week we have our first double guest episode! Robert Campos and Garrett Snyder join us to talk about the growth of Mountain Mike's Pizza. Garrett Snyder is the Vice President of Restaurant Development for Mountain Mike’s Pizza, where he oversees all aspects of site selection, design and construction. Since joining the brand in July 2020, Garrett has played a pivotal role in Mountain Mike’s rapid expansion, growing its national footprint from three states to ten, with a presence in 15 states expected by the end of 2026.Robert Campos serves as Vice President of Franchise Development at Mountain Mike’s Pizza, where he leads the brand’s efforts to identify, recruit and inform potential new franchise partners. In this role, Robert is dedicated to expanding the reach of Mountain Mike’s across the country by aligning with passionate entrepreneurs who share the brand’s commitment to quality, community and exceptional guest experiences.The Mountain Mike's team is passionate about bringing fun memories to communities across the US through their brand. Nothing like a classic arcade game, some time with family, and teacups of joy.

Jun 20, 2025 • 1h
Butt Rockin' Blues and Barbecue Sauce Down to Your Elbows - Dave Anderson, Founder of Famous Dave's Barbecue
Dave Anderson, the Founder of Famous Dave's, joins us on the Dirt Dog Pod. Dave is an perfect example of the American Dream. Born to Native American parents, Dave worked to open the first Famous Dave's in his small town in Wisconsin. The rollercoaster ride for the brand from there is really something to behold. Dave lives for Barbecue and loves the experience that it creates bringing people together. He built the restaurants in his vision to create the ultimate place for people to gather together and have a fun meal. In this episode we discuss:Dave's upbringing around BBQ and how the brand begun.The vision that Dave had for the brand and how they focused on the smallest details to create his vision.Dave's inspirational view on the importance of failing and owning your failures.

Jun 6, 2025 • 51min
Being a Mover is Never Easy - Dok Kwon, President of Cupbop
Dok Kwon, the COO and President of Cupbop, joins us on the Dirt Dog Pod. Dok moved to Utah to join the Cupbop brand leaving behind his high paying finance life in New York. Dok made this big change in his life because of the goal that Cupbop is trying to obtain. Dok shares that the brand is trying to become the first national QSR to teach the US about Korean Cuisine. He is so passionate about this goal that he made the drastic change to move across country and join a new budding brand.In this episode we discuss:Dok shares his story of moving to the US and finding his path by working to help his family.The wild story of how Cupbop has become such a massive brand in a part of the world you would not expect.The view that the Cupbop team has towards growth and how they are going about growing without losing the brand's identity.

May 30, 2025 • 51min
Holding Up to The Golden Arches Standard - Bob O'Connell, Former Senior Real Estate Manager for McDonald's
Bob O'Connell, a recently retired Senior Real Estate Manager at McDonald's, shares fascinating insights from his 32-year career. He discusses how McDonald's uses its rich history and extensive data for location scouting. Bob explains the rigorous site selection process, which helps prevent the need for closures. He also highlights the evolving business landscape while emphasizing the enduring importance of personal connections in real estate. The complexities of managing locations in U.S. territories, including unique challenges, are also explored.

May 16, 2025 • 52min
Learning how to Lift Others - Shelly Holt, President & CEO of First Community Bank Utah
Shelly Holt, President of First Community Bank Utah, joins us on the Dirt Dog Pod. We are thrilled to have Shelly on the pod because she provides a banker's point of view on the real estate and retail market. Shelly has been in banking her entire career starting as a teller for Zions Bank in College. Shelly gives some amazing advice about building up those around you as well as her take on the future outlook of the market.In this episode, we discuss:Shelly explains what goals she had for her time as President and how she is achieving them.Shelly gives us the inside look at how a banking institution runs and makes money.Her perspective on being a high ranking female in a very male dominated industry.

May 9, 2025 • 1h 3min
Diving in with Both Feet - David Roberts, Chief Operating Officer for Hangry Joe's Chicken & Wings
David Roberts, COO of Hangry Joe's Chicken & Wings, joins us on the Dirt Dog Pod. David is an operations guru and a great guest that shows us another side of what is important to get right in the retail game. David comes and shares his expertise on how operators streamline their stores and keep them running as smoothly as possible. David also shares the amazing story of Hangry Joe's that has burst onto the scene in the last few years after starting out at the beginning of COVID. In this episode, we discuss:David explains how his job may focus on small things but, those small things add up to a much bigger picture.We talk about the growth of chicken concepts and what Hangry Joe's is doing that is setting them apart.David gets the chance to talk directly to different groups involved in the brand and give them one piece of advice

May 2, 2025 • 41min
Bringing a Taste of Europe to the US - Jeremy Carlson, Founder & CEO of Crispy Cones
Jeremy Carlson, Founder and CEO of Crispy Cones, joins us on the Dirt Dog Pod. Jeremy created Crispy Cones after a dream he had of bringing a desert traditional in the Czech Republic back to his friends and family in the US. From there Jeremy perfected his take on the chimney cone and started selling them out of a pop up tent in college 7 years ago. From there it has been an absolute whirlwind of growth for the brand, from being featured on "Shark Tank" to expanding across the US with new locations opening frequently. Jeremy shares his passion for his brand and thoughts on what makes entrepreneurship worthwhile.In this episode, we discuss:Jeremy shares the rollercoaster of events that have gotten him and the Crispy Cones team to where they are today.The importance of image and branding when starting a concept from the ground up.The difficulty that comes with being your own boss but, how when done right it is extremely rewarding.

Apr 25, 2025 • 47min
Grit Will Get You Through Life - Matt Smith, CEO & Founder of Snooze Sleep
Matt Smith, The Founder & CEO of Snooze Sleep, joins us on the Dirt Dog Pod. Matt has over 25 years of experience in the industry and is a relentless serial entrepreneur. He’s owned and scaled over 10 businesses and was featured on Discovery Channel’s "Undercover Billionaire", where he built a $5.5 million marketing agency in just 42 days during COVID. With experience as both a franchisee and franchisor, Matt is committed to creating prosperous in-store experiences that truly make a difference in the lives of our customers and communities. Matt was put here on this earth to sell sleep...which is ironic because he doesn't sleep.In this episode, we discuss:The need that everyone on earth has for a good sleep and how Snooze is helping them find it.Matt's insane journey with Grant Cardone on "Undercover Billionaire."The vision that Matt has for Snooze and how they are changing how the whole world looks at sleep.