
The Resilient Pastor
Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.
Latest episodes

Oct 4, 2022 • 34min
14 | Noemi Chavez on Church Planting and Leading a Multicultural Church
Send us a textNoemi Chavez (pastor of Revive Church in Los Angeles, CA) shares about the trends she’s seeing in the Latino Church, the impact of bi-vocational (or “co-vocational”) leaders and some of the challenges that church planters are having to navigate.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PageCity RoundtablesPodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupWorld Vision: Check out the Resilient Leadership for Kingdom Come webinar and get your free Activation Guide today at Worldvision.org/ResilientPod.Brotherhood Mutual: Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Company is a leading national provider of ministry focused insurance and services. To learn more, visit BrotherhoodMutual.com.

Sep 27, 2022 • 41min
13 | Raymond Chang on Asian American History & Seeking Unity in the Church
Send us a textRaymond Chang (TENx10 Senior Director of Partnerships at Fuller Seminary) talks about the challenges that Asian Americans have faced over time in the United States, the gifts the Asian American Church has to offer the broader Church and practical steps for seeking unity amidst difference. Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PageCity RoundtablesPodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupWorld Vision: Check out the Resilient Leadership for Kingdom Come webinar and get your free Activation Guide today at Worldvision.org/ResilientPod.Full Strength Network: Learn more about the wellbeing membership program that FSN created for pastors at www.fullstrength.org.

Sep 20, 2022 • 36min
12 | Christine Caine on Activating Women in the Church & Discovering a Broader Mission
Send us a textChristine Caine (founder of A21 Campaign, speaker, author) sits down in-person with Glenn Packiam to talk about bridging the gap between evangelism and justice work, the unique challenges women in the Church are facing and the hunger for the presence of God that she’s seeing in Gen Z.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PageCohortCity RoundtablesPodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupWorld Vision: Check out the Resilient Leadership for Kingdom Come webinar and get your free Activation Guide today at Worldvision.org/ResilientPod.Gloo: Find out more about the He Gets Us initiative at hegetsuspartners.com/churches.

Sep 13, 2022 • 36min
11 | Russell Moore on Christian Nationalism & Public Theology
Send us a textRussell Moore (Editor in Chief at Christianity Today) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss how pastors can engage well in the civic space, redefining what Christian nationalism looks like and understanding the threat Christian nationalism plays for the Church today. Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCohortCity RoundtablesBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupConnect with Russell Moore at russellmoore.com.World Vision: Check out the Resilient Leadership for Kingdom Come webinar and get your free Activation Guide today at Worldvision.org/ResilientPod.Gloo: Find out more about the He Gets Us initiative at hegetsuspartners.com/churches.

Aug 16, 2022 • 42min
BONUS EPISODE | Q&A with Listener Questions
Send us a textIn this summer bonus episode, Glenn Packiam sits down to answer listener questions, including:How can I navigate political tensions and divisions in my congregation and from the pulpit?How do you balance being a boss and a friend to your staff?How are you approaching deconstruction in younger generations?What would you say to someone considering entering ministry at a later age who feels it might be too late? What advice would you give someone who just finished seminary and is entering full-time ministry?We hope you’re encouraged by Glenn’s reflections, and don’t forget to mark your calendars for the Season 2 launch of the Resilient Pastor podcast, coming to wherever you listen on September 13, 2022.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCohortCity RoundtablesBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna Group

Jun 14, 2022 • 39min
10 | Scott Sauls on Chasing Unity & Leading with Vulnerability
Send us a textScott Sauls (Senior Pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, TN) joins Glenn Packiam to share how he’s preached on his own journey with mental health, the prophetic shift he’s seeing in public dialogue and practical ways for leaders to shepherd their people well through challenging seasons. Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCohortCity RoundtablesBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupConnect with Scott at scottsauls.com and get his latest book, Beautiful People Don’t Just Happen.Brotherhood Mutual: Get your free Pastor Kit by visiting brotherhoodmutual.com/barna.

May 31, 2022 • 40min
09 | Ruth Haley Barton on Rhythms of Work & Rest
Send us a textRuth Haley Barton (author and founder of the Transforming Center) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the transformative practice of sabbath, how technology disrupts our ability to rest and the deep inner-work of taking a sabbatical.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCohortCity RoundtablesBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupConnect with Ruth at ruthhaleybarton.com.Brotherhood Mutual: Get your free Pastor Kit by visiting brotherhoodmutual.com/barna.

May 17, 2022 • 38min
08 | Sharon Hodde Miller on Leading in a Culture of Control & Anxiety
Send us a textSharon Hodde Miller (teaching pastor, author) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about managing the anxiety of the people you are leading, differentiating between agency and control and the challenges she has faced leading through the pandemic.Brotherhood Mutual: Get your free Pastor Kit by visiting brotherhoodmutual.com/barna.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCohortCity RoundtablesBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupConnect with Sharon at sheworships.com.

May 3, 2022 • 36min
07 | Ashlee Eiland on Team Leadership & Transitions
Send us a textAshlee Eiland (pastor and writer) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about how she stays grounded in seasons of transition, what she has learned about co-leading a church and key takeaways on delegating responsibilities in challenging seasons.--WorldVision is partnering with Barna to offer an upcoming webcast called Resilient Leadership for Kingdom Come. Get free access to the Activation Guide today at worldvision.org/ResilientPod!Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCohortCity RoundtablesBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupConnect with Ashlee at ashleeeiland.com.

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Apr 19, 2022 • 39min
06 | Jay Y. Kim on Digital Church & Discipleship
Send us a textJay Kim (pastor at WestGate Church) sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss digital platforms as a new doorway for churches, how online spaces shape Christian’s spiritual formation and redemptive ways for leaders to engage in social media.--WorldVision is partnering with Barna to offer an upcoming webcast called Resilient Leadership for Kingdom Come. Get free access to the Activation Guide today at worldvision.org/ResilientPod!Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCohortCity RoundtablesBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupConnect with Jay Kim at jaykimthinks.com, and check out his latest book, Analog Christian: Cultivating Contentment, Resilience, and Wisdom in the Digital Age (releasing July 26, 2022).