Quiet Riot

Lies, lies and more lies. How many lies can our institutions survive? And why are we so bad at defending those institutions? Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell are joined by a Quiet Riot favourite – Christina Pagel, a professor of operational research at UCL as well as the creator of the smash hit service to humanity that is the Trump Action Tracker. Is Britain vulnerable to the sort of institutional vandalism that Trump had visited on the US? Heck, is Britain even *more* vulnerable than the US? Talking of which, Alex and Kenny also look at the latest madness on Planet Trump and ask just how much crazier this could all get. Oh, they do mention Celebrity Traitors yet again ... but only because Prof Pagel is a fan. Honestly. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** “Justice is meant to involved a crime, finding out who did it, and prosecuting them. What Trump is doing is saying, openly: here are the people I want prosecuted, find me the crime. And the Republican politicians are cheering him on, which is really scary.” “I’m not sure whether [Proposition 50] is the right thing to do. I worry that it accelerates the degradation of norms. But given how flaccid the Democratic response has been to Trump in general, I’m just glad that someone is doing something.”  “The vandalism that is occurring to the pillars on which democracy in the US stands will tie up the system for years and is so extensive that it is hard to fight on all the fronts that have been opened.” “Without a basis of evidence, there is no evidence-based policy. Without a common framework of accepted fact, there is no rational debate. The undermining of expertise and its institutions is one of the key preconditions of authoritarianism.” “Many functions of the state - from food safety to regulation of medicines to weather forecasting - require expertise and so are allocated to dedicated bodies. Those bodies should be allowed to operate only on the facts - not on politics. Their expertise protects our way of life.” CALLS TO ACTION • Check out the Center for Democracy and Technology in the US and Europe • Read Prof Pagel’s report on our institutions and share it with MPs and other people in positions of influence GRIN AND SHARE IT • Find out more about how AI is actually helping the planet • Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. • Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. • Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. • PHEW!!! With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When the trust vanishes, you're finished, whether you're Labour in Caerphilly or a celebrity in BBC's The Traitors. Alex and Kenny pore over three examples of democracy in action from a hectic week – Plaid Cymru's historic victory in Wales, a new Deputy Leader for Labour in Westminster and ... a bizarre litany of bad voting decisions in The Traitors. All three have involved some measure of chaos but only one of them had both Alex and Kenny fighting for the remote control. Guess which. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** “Caerphilly is where two trends met. The first is ‘I hate Labour’ and the second is a trend for smart, strategic, tactical voting. So, the reason people were looking for a tactical option other than Labour to defeat Reform was unhappiness with the gov’t, but the magnitude of the swing implies to me something tactical at work.” “There’s a stickiness to politics and my question here would be, how many of the people who lent their vote to Plaid or decided to give another party a try, will stick with that next time - especially, given we are close enough to the Senedd election for it to make a difference.”  “The media treat Reform as an entirely new party that had no presence in Wales. I would point to the last European election where the Brexit Party came top with 33% and suggest that Reform are merely the latest iteration of The Farage Party and very much had a presence in Wales.” “One thing we can say from the Caerphilly result is that the next Senedd election will be a realignment, rather than a usual hold-the-line election. Plaid is very well placed to become the largest party - or, if not, a key player.” “The message from Caerphilly is very clear to me: One-third of the vote is not enough to get Reform elected, if the other two-thirds get their act together.” “Intelligent people frequently act stupidly - and, in my experience, the more intelligent the people, the more stupidly they are capable of acting. Because intelligent people have confidence in their views. In a game like The Traitors, confidence can give you a really bum steer.” Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Special guest Zoe Williams (and young Ruby), discuss the week's big stories with Alex and Kenny. What is it about Zack Polanski that seems to be taking the British left by storm? Has Corbyn and Sultana's 'Your Party' missed the boat? Will the Caerphilly by-election become a test case? AND how is it possible for AI solutions to be both at the fingertips of every minister, to answer all the UK's problems and simultaneously incapable of being regulated? PLUS - regular feature 'Wokey Dokey'. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** “The fundamental problem is that progressives are drawn towards consensus and the far right is not - they like division. So any attempt to engage in discussion involves us moving further towards them, while they never move towards us. It’s as much physics as it is ideology.” “The far right in the UK - and the US - are wishing civil war as a sort of cleansing act. I’m much more scared of that language of cleansing violence than I am of a few guys sticking fireworks up their butts on their way back from the football.” “The thing with Zack is that, even though I really notice his background as a storyteller, the result is more than storytelling. He can make you believe that things are possible. And in the current environment, that is massive.” “Hope is the last vestige of rascals in public life.” ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Should we be bending over backwards to welcome Israeli football supporters, while Israel rolls out the red carpet for English hooligans? ALSO - Is Rachel Reeves about to tell the country the truth about Brexit? Exclusive reasearch shows she would be wise to. PLUS - The nights are drawing in, so what are our favourite Autumn comfort foods? Alex and Naomi talk through the week's news. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** “If police judge a match to be high risk, for whatever reason, there are often restrictions on away fans. It seems unfair to restrict just one group, but it happens all the time. In the case of Maccabi Tel Aviv, I think two things can be true: It is political AND has been politicised.” “I am a bit disappointed that we haven’t seen more leadership from Lisa Nandy. If there is one role for the Secretary for Sport, it is to be the bridge between society and political leadership and to articulate why sport is important for community building, both across borders and within a country.” “Badenoch seems to have two volume settings: “ten” and “irrelevant”. She has found no way to be relevant via content, nuance, intelligence, creativity, policy, nous, wit - the only way in which she ever makes herself relevant is by cranking the volume up to ten.” “Reeves was one of the sceptics and has completely come round in her thinking. Finally we have a gov’t who, instead of saying we will make a great success of Brexit, it is prepared to say: the economic effect has been terrible and we have to undo some of that.” “There is a lack of vision and leadership, for which politicians blame the electorate’s attention span. But you can’t run the country like a corner shop and then complain people only buy gum. That’s all you’re selling. Try to sell something bigger and more substantial and voters may surprise you.” “I love a mash-topped pie.” “Artichokes and peas are two vegetables that are better frozen.” CALL TO ACTION Best for Britain's Brexit Budget Report. Best for Britain's Substack - The Wire. COMFORT FOOD RECIPES! Recipe for Nigella's ⁠Chicken and Pea Traybake. Recipe for Vegan Chanterelle Risotto. Recipe for Fasolakia Yahni (Green Bean Stew). Recipe for Artichokes a la Polita. Recipe for Vegan Lentil Cottage Pie. Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. Quiet Riot is a Cooler Heads podcast. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Special guest Plaid Cymru's Liz Saville-Roberts, discusses the week's big stories with Alex, Naomi, and Kenny. Chinese Spy Trial: cock-up, cover up, or nothingburger? Nathan Gill bribe story: why is Farage not being asked difficult questions? Musk funding Yaxley-Lennon: wake up UK. Caerphilly By-Election: Plaid to the rescue? Labour vote collapse in Wales. Senedd elections in a few months. PLUS - regular features 'Wokey Dokey' and 'Grin And Share It'. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** “The world’s richest man funding the UK’s most prominent far-right agitator isn’t normal and should not be treated as such. This dangerous merging of wealth and power and extremist politics, is made worse when coupled with the media’s indifference. If this isn’t a wake-up call, I don’t know what is.” “When it became apparent that the case against Nathan Gill was going to go to court, it was listed to be heard after the Senedd elections. That he has chosen to plead guilty now, in a way that comes before those elections is extremely interesting.” “Government ministers and departments not leaving X is the political equivalent of failing to evacuate a burning building because the wi-fi is still working.” “Starmer, as an experienced former DPP, will have considered those witness statements quite carefully, before rowing out to precisely a distance that means he gets to have a lovely day fishing, while anyone trying to swim after him risks drowning.” “Badenoch is trying to reestablish herself as leader of her own party. She seems to have pleased her own backbenchers simply by landing a punch.” “Having always had Labour in charge in Cardiff, we haven’t really tested what we [Plaid] can do as an ‘awkward’ party in relation to Westminster. The SNP, by being difficult, has always secured better concessions for Scotland than we have had in Wales.” “I’ve been campaigning in Caerphilly. It’s neck-and-neck, a two-horse race between Plaid and Reform and I couldn’t tell you what will happen. The one thing I am comfortable saying, empirically, is that the Labour vote has collapsed.” “This is part of Labour’s problem: they are not prepared to meet parties elsewhere. Collaboration is not their way. And what is really interesting about the change of the electoral system in Wales is that Labour are going to have to learn to work with others.” “I’ll speak candidly. I’m not keen on the ‘closed list’ system of Proportional Representation. I don’t like the idea that elected representatives have more of an eye on what the party thinks of them, as the people who select where they are on the list.” “The Senedd is unlikely to end up with a majority government. So, we are going to have to work together. I think this is a very good thing in politics. The winners, losers, yah-boo adversarial-ness of Westminster does not reflect how we are in real life. There’s something immature about it.” CALLS TO ACTION: Find out more about Open Democracy here⁠. Take a ride with the Heritage Railways Association. GRIN AND SHARE IT: Find out about Wicken Fen Nature Reserve. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We're off to Scotland for a keek at the SNP conference (and a couple of Aberdeen rowies – don't worry, we'll explain). Quiet Riot's occasionally tame Scot, Kenny Campbell, is joined by the Scotland-based reporter Jacob Freedland, for a look behind the scenes at what was a pretty chipper conference for the Nats. • Gasp as we reveal the truth about leader John Swinney's comedic talents • Weep as we find Nicola Sturgeon alone in a crowd • Howl as we look at why Farage presents a threat to the Union • Mumble diplomatically as we look at where independence sits on the Scottish political shopping list • And chomp furiously on those delicious rowies... ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Show links More In Common's research paper on the state of Scottish politics Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. Quiet Riot is a Cooler Heads podcast. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Who is María Corina Machado - the woman who won the Nobel Peace Prize? Is the Gaza 20-point plan anything more than a ceasefire with a wishlist attached? And what is Trump up to inside the US? ALSO - Reform UK councils seem to be finding it more difficult than predicted to find any savings. Has swagger met reality? PLUS - Jilly Cooper, queen of the steamy beach read is gone, but what are our favourite guilty reads? Alex and Naomi talk through the week's news. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** “Is peace merely the absence of war? Or is it something else that involves wellbeing, prosperity, democracy, and the rule of law, so conflict can be resolved in a civilised way? That seems a more positive and more enduring vision than ‘we’ve stopped shooting each other for now’. On that basis, Trump is moving America in the opposite direction.” “The idea of Trump as a senile old kaker is optimistic. The darker interpretation is that all this - what happened in Los Angeles and Washington DC, and now in Chicago and Portland - is getting people used to army in their streets, that it is leading somewhere.” “This was very predictable. Quite a few people welcomed Reform taking control of a few councils, this far out from a general election, in the full knowledge that they could not find the savings they promised; that they would fail on their own terms.” “Reform seems to do very well at gaining elected officials, but not so well at keeping them. Since May, they have shed a remarkable 24 councillors for a variety of very embarrassing reasons, including losing eight, in September alone. They have also lost staff from HQ.” “Most journalists compliment policies as ‘eye-catching’. What does that even mean? Are they realistic? Practical? Ethical? ‘Eye-catching’ brought us Brexit. ‘Eye-catching gave us Johnson. ‘Eye-catching’ resulted in Trump. Maybe it’s time to interrogate the concept.” GRIN AND SHARE IT Share the good news about Green Turtle Power here. Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. Quiet Riot is a Cooler Heads podcast. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Special guest Sam Freedman, discusses the week's big stories with Alex, Naomi, and Kenny. Is there a future for the Conservative Party? Is there a future IN the Conservative Party. Should they stick with Badenoch, or twist and risk the - incredibly - LESS likeable, Jenrick? AND - Is France basically ungovernable now? Our favourite Chevalier, Olivier Morel, talks us through the latest drama. PLUS - with a deal on Gaza close, the repercussions for Jews globally may take much longer to heal. INCLUDING - a very funny (and surprisingly angry) 'Wokey Dokey'. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** “For a long time the Tories have depended on ‘the party in the media’, as it is often called, to maintain their relationship with their base - the Mail and Telegraph in particular, because organisations like the BBC often take their cue from them. Losing those papers to Reform is very dangerous.” “The party is already where [Jenrick] wants it, because basically he’s been shadow-leading the Tories, and it hasn’t helped their poll ratings. Also, he focus-groups really badly. Even voters who agree with him dislike him. So, I don’t think he is the answer to the party’s problems.” “We are roughly the same distance from Labour having to call a General Election, as we are from the last pandemic lockdown. Try to conceive of that amount of stuff still to happen. For me, it’s far too soon to predict how the next election will shape up.” “When challenged about the consequences of leaving the ECHR for the wider EU trade agreement Badenoch said that she could give notice to leave it all behind. Best for Britain polling shows that this plays very badly with voters who have not abandoned the Tories for Reform - and who tend to be more moderate.” “All political parties in France are behaving as if they have a majority and deserve to implement their programme. I have heard several leaders adopting a very grave tone and saying now is the time to compromise, but they mean everyone else must compromise. This is making France ungovernable.” “Will Macron resign? I think it’s not in his DNA to do that at all. And on the international stage, he still believes he has a big role to play. Against that, Macron is facing criticism and even calls to resign from loyalists within his own camp and this is new.” “Whether this plan succeeds depends directly on how much pressure Trump puts on Netanyahu. the Israelis will be at the negotiation with the objective of changing the terms in a way that forces Hamas to say ‘no’.” “I have never known the Jewish community to be so divided over Israel. The sheer violence of what’s happened in Gaza has pushed a lot of people into a very uncomfortable position of believing in Israel as an idea but being horrified by what the current gov’t is doing.” CALLS TO ACTION: Sam's substack can be found here. Find out more about the Community Security Trust charity here. Help us never forget with the Holocaust Educational Trust. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Strip away the schadenfreude around Michelle Mone's fall from grace, and what is the real story here? Naomi Smith and Kenny Campbell look at a scandal that is far from over. Also, with the Conservatives and Greens in conference mode, we consider the contrasting fortunes of their respective leaders – and dive into some fascinating data around Tory voters. Plus, in tribute to the late, great Patricia Routledge, we ask the BIG question of the week: how would Hyacinth Bucket vote? And what about other TV greats, such as Rab C. Nesbitt and Del Boy? ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Do fightbacks always begin at Liverpool? An unexpectedly feisty speech by Starmer leads to a lot of pearl-clutching by Reform. But will our media cover it? Also, the former Welsh leader of Reform admits to taking Russian bribes. But will our media cover it? And with the election in Moldova sends an unequivocal F-U to Moscow. But will our media cover it? Alex Andreou, Kenny Campbell and special guest, Annette Dittert, discuss. PLUS dispatches by Naomi Smith, from inside the Labour Conference. Including 'Grin And Share It' and the triumphant, if extremely confusing, return of 'Wokey Dokey'. ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** “I have spent a lot of time in the Northeast recently and was shocked by the amount of anger from lifelong Labour voters who feel betrayed… The sentence I heard most often was: they take it out on us, they take it out on the poor, because it’s easier.” “It was really important that Starmer called those policies out for what they are - they are racist. Farage stokes this up, cynically and cleverly. Labour have tried to tiptoe around it all summer and it hasn’t worked.”  “We saw it during Brexit and we see it with the AfD in Germany. Pandering to the far right never works. And yet conservative parties seem to have this - in German we call it ‘angstlust’ - this desire to go somewhere dangerous.” “Racism is a little like political pornography. Its practitioners enjoy it privately or with groups of likeminded people. But if one were to start enjoying it in public, awkward questions will arise.” “From Russian bribes to Musk beaming onto big screens advocating violence, we can’t go on pretending this isn’t happening. That there are not powerful interests from both East and West pouring money into destabilising our democratic processes.”  CALLS TO ACTION: Let us have your ideas on how to send the BBC a message. Help Smart Medical Aid for Ukraine. GRIN AND SHARE IT: Quietly Rioting is GOOD FOR YOU! ***SPONSOR US AT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠KO-FI.COM/QUIETRIOTPOD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*** Buy something from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠our bookshop here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quietriotpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.quietriotpod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. With Naomi Smith, Alex Andreou and Kenny Campbell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices