

The Occupational Safety Leadership Podcast
Dr. Ayers/Applied Safety and Environmental Management
Interviews along with a Q&A format answering questions about safety. Together we‘ll help answer not just safety compliance but the strategy and tactics to implement injury elimination/severity.
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Mentioned books

Jan 9, 2025 • 5min
Episode 223 - Occupational Safety - Take your vacation and recharge
Dr. Ayers delivers a short but important reminder: safety professionals need to take their vacation time and truly recharge. The work will still be there when you return — but you will come back clearer, calmer, and more effective.
🧠 Key Themes
1. Burnout Hurts Safety Performance
Dr. Ayers emphasizes that when safety leaders push nonstop:
Decision‑making suffers
Patience decreases
Communication becomes strained
Small issues feel bigger than they are
Rest isn’t a luxury — it’s a performance requirement.
2. The Work Will Still Be There
A central message of the episode: You are not abandoning your responsibilities by taking time off. Safety work is continuous, and stepping away briefly doesn’t derail progress.
3. Recharging Makes You a Better Leader
Vacation time helps you return with:
Fresh perspective
Renewed energy
Better emotional bandwidth
More creativity and patience
This directly improves how you show up for employees.
4. Model Healthy Behavior
Employees watch what leaders do. If you never take time off:
They assume they shouldn’t either
They feel guilty requesting PTO
Burnout spreads through the culture
Taking vacation is a leadership signal.
🚀 Leadership Takeaways
Rest is a safety strategy.
Your team needs a leader who is present, not exhausted.
Taking vacation models healthy boundaries.
Recharging improves clarity, patience, and decision‑making.

Jan 3, 2025 • 27min
Episode 222 - Introduction to Hazardous Waste
Dr. Ayers brings on Phil from Hazmat Scholars to break down the fundamentals of hazardous waste — what it is, how it’s defined, and how safety professionals can get reliable answers when dealing with complex waste‑management questions.
This episode is a practical, beginner‑friendly guide to understanding hazardous waste classification and compliance.
🧠 Key Themes
1. What Counts as Hazardous Waste?
Phil explains the regulatory definition and emphasizes that hazardous waste is determined by:
Its characteristics (ignitable, corrosive, reactive, toxic)
Its source (F‑listed, K‑listed)
Its chemical identity (P‑listed, U‑listed)
He stresses that many organizations misunderstand when a material officially becomes a waste.
2. The Importance of “Discard Intent”
A chemical becomes a hazardous waste the moment you decide you’re no longer going to use it, not when it’s thrown away. This is one of the most common compliance mistakes Phil sees.
3. How to Get Your Questions Answered
Phil shares strategies for navigating confusing regulations:
Use EPA guidance documents
Contact state environmental agencies
Build relationships with local regulators
Consult experts when classifications are unclear
He emphasizes that hazardous waste rules vary by state, so local guidance is essential.
4. Practical Tips for Safety Leaders
The episode highlights:
Proper labeling and container management
Avoiding “unknown waste” situations
Keeping good documentation
Training employees who handle chemicals
These basics prevent violations and reduce risk.
🚀 Leadership Takeaways
Hazardous waste classification is both technical and regulatory — you must understand both.
Discard intent triggers waste status, not disposal.
Local regulators are your best resource for accurate answers.
Good labeling, storage, and training prevent most compliance problems.

Jan 1, 2025 • 6min
Episode 221 - Risk Assessment - Horseback Riding and Swimming Horses
In today's episode, Dr. Ayers discusses performing a risk assessment and having to decide whether to wear a helmet when swimming with horses.

Dec 31, 2024 • 8min
Episode 220 - Risk Assessment - Jellyfish Sting PPE
In today's episode, we discuss performing risk assessments while on vacation. We are always performing risk assessments.

Dec 18, 2024 • 3min
Episode 219 - Occupational Safety - Safety Initiative of the Month Overload
Dr. Ayers calls out a growing problem in many organizations: “Safety Initiative of the Month” overload. When leaders constantly roll out new programs, campaigns, and slogans, employees stop listening — and the initiatives lose their impact.
The episode urges safety professionals to stop chasing magic bullets and instead focus on meaningful engagement and consistency.
🧠 Key Themes
1. Employees Are Overloaded With Initiatives
Dr. Ayers explains that workers often feel:
Bombarded by new campaigns
Confused about priorities
Skeptical of “flavor of the month” programs
This leads to disengagement, not improvement. Sources:
2. Stop Looking for a Magic Bullet
Many organizations keep launching new initiatives hoping one will “fix” safety. But real improvement comes from:
Consistent leadership
Clear expectations
Daily conversations
Reinforcing fundamentals
Not from constant program changes. Sources:
3. Get Buy‑In Instead of Pushing Programs
The episode emphasizes:
Talk to employees
Ask what actually helps them
Build initiatives with the workforce, not for them
Buy‑in beats branding every time. Sources:
4. Focus on What Works — and Stick With It
Sustained improvement requires:
Stability
Repetition
Reinforcement
Trust
Employees need clarity, not constant reinvention. Sources:
🚀 Leadership Takeaways
Too many initiatives create noise, not progress.
Stop chasing magic bullets — focus on fundamentals.
Engage employees early to build real buy‑in.

Dec 16, 2024 • 2min
Episode 218 - Do you know your Companies Risk Appetite?
In this episode, Dr. Ayers challenges safety professionals to understand their organization’s true risk appetite — not the one written in policies, but the one revealed through decisions, priorities, and mixed messages from leadership.
He asks a pointed question: “Do you really know how much risk your company is willing to accept?”
🧠 Key Themes
1. Mixed Messages Create Confusion
Dr. Ayers notes that many safety pros hear conflicting signals from management:
“Safety is our top priority”…
…but production pressure says otherwise. This disconnect makes it hard to know what leadership actually expects. Sources:
2. Risk Appetite Drives Real‑World Decisions
A company’s risk appetite shows up in:
How quickly they correct hazards
How they respond to near misses
Whether they invest in controls or delay them
How they balance production vs. protection Sources:
3. Safety Leaders Must Clarify Expectations
Dr. Ayers encourages safety professionals to:
Ask direct questions
Seek alignment with leadership
Understand the boundaries of acceptable risk
Communicate those boundaries clearly to employees Sources:
4. You Can’t Lead Safety Without Knowing the Rules of the Game
If you don’t know your company’s risk appetite, you can’t:
Prioritize effectively
Make consistent decisions
Set realistic expectations
Build trust with the workforce Sources:
🚀 Leadership Takeaways
Mixed messages undermine safety — clarify them.
Risk appetite is revealed through actions, not slogans.
Safety leaders must understand leadership’s true tolerance for risk.
Alignment creates consistency, trust, and better decisions.

Dec 13, 2024 • 5min
Episode 217 - Occupational Safety - Ergonomics and what I learned from fixing my car
Dr. Ayers uses a real‑life moment — fixing his own car — to highlight how easily we overlook ergonomic risks when we’re focused on getting a job done. The episode reminds safety professionals that workers often push through discomfort, awkward postures, or poor setups without realizing the long‑term consequences.
🧠 Key Themes
1. Ergonomic Risks Hide in Everyday Tasks
While working on his car, Dr. Ayers found himself:
Twisting awkwardly
Reaching too far
Working in cramped spaces
Ignoring discomfort to “just get it done”
These are the same patterns employees fall into daily. Sources:
2. Discomfort Is a Warning Sign, Not an Inconvenience
The episode emphasizes that discomfort is often the first indicator of:
Musculoskeletal strain
Poor body mechanics
A task setup that needs adjustment
Ignoring these signals leads to cumulative injuries. Sources:
3. Fix the Setup, Not the Worker
Dr. Ayers reinforces that ergonomics is about:
Adjusting tools
Improving access
Reducing reach and force
Designing work to fit the person
Not about telling employees to “lift better” or “be careful.” Sources:
4. Field Observations Matter
Just like he learned more by physically working on his car, safety leaders learn more by:
Watching employees perform tasks
Asking about discomfort
Identifying awkward postures
Making small improvements that reduce strain
Sources:
🚀 Leadership Takeaways
Ergonomic risks are subtle but costly — look for them.
Discomfort is data.
Improve the task setup, not the worker’s willpower.
Field presence reveals ergonomic hazards you’ll never see from a desk.

Dec 12, 2024 • 3min
Episode 216 - Occupational Safety - Guard your Schedule
Dr. Ayers delivers a short, pointed reminder that your time is one of your most valuable safety tools. Safety professionals are constantly pulled in different directions, but if you don’t guard your schedule, you lose the ability to focus on the mission: reducing and eliminating hazards.
🧠 Key Themes
1. Safety Pros Struggle to Say “No”
Dr. Ayers acknowledges that safety leaders often feel obligated to help everyone, all the time. But saying “yes” to everything means:
You lose control of your day
You get stuck in reactive mode
Important hazard‑reduction work gets pushed aside Sources:
2. Time Is a Finite Resource
The episode emphasizes that your schedule is not unlimited. If you don’t protect it:
Distractions multiply
Priorities blur
You end up busy, not effective Sources:
3. Guard Your Schedule to Guard Your Mission
Dr. Ayers reinforces that the core mission of safety is simple: Reduce and eliminate hazards. Everything else is secondary. Guarding your schedule ensures you stay aligned with that mission. Sources:
4. Eliminate or Reduce Distractions
The episode encourages safety professionals to:
Block time for field engagement
Limit unnecessary meetings
Avoid getting trapped in administrative noise
Focus on high‑value tasks that actually improve safety Sources:
🚀 Leadership Takeaways
Your schedule reflects your priorities — protect it.
Saying “no” is a leadership skill.
Guarding your time strengthens your ability to reduce hazards.
Distraction is the enemy of effective safety work.

Dec 9, 2024 • 3min
Episode 215 - Occupational Safety - Plan your future
In this reflective episode, Dr. Ayers speaks to his younger self — and to every safety professional who feels like their career is just “happening” to them. His message is simple and direct: Don’t let fate plan your future. Take charge of it.
He challenges listeners to be intentional, ask uncomfortable questions, and actively shape the safety career they want.
🧠 Key Themes
1. Don’t Drift — Decide
Dr. Ayers warns against letting your career unfold by accident. Instead of waiting for opportunities, he urges safety pros to:
Set clear goals
Identify the skills they need
Pursue growth deliberately Sources:
2. Ask Difficult and Uncomfortable Questions
Growth requires honesty. He encourages listeners to ask themselves:
What do I want next?
What’s holding me back?
What skills am I avoiding developing? Sources:
These questions create clarity — and clarity drives progress.
3. Talk to Your Boss and Coworkers
Dr. Ayers emphasizes the importance of communication:
Tell your boss what you want to improve
Ask coworkers for feedback
Seek mentorship and guidance
Career development is a team sport. Sources:
4. Rise to the Next Level
The episode closes with a motivational push: You don’t get better by accident. You get better by:
Planning
Practicing
Learning
Taking ownership
Sources:
🚀 Leadership Takeaways
Your future is something you build, not something you receive.
Intentionality beats luck every time.
Ask hard questions — they reveal your next steps.
Communicate your goals so others can help you grow.

Dec 6, 2024 • 29min
Episode 214 - Wylie Davidson - Leaving a Safety Legacy
In this interview episode, Dr. Ayers sits down with Wylie Davidson, a well‑known motivational safety speaker, to explore what it truly means to leave a safety legacy. The conversation focuses on how safety leaders can influence people long after a meeting, a training session, or even a career ends.
Wylie’s message is simple and powerful: Your legacy is built through the daily choices you make and the way you make people feel about safety.
🧠 Key Themes
1. Safety Legacy Is About People, Not Programs
Wylie emphasizes that a legacy isn’t created by:
Policies
Procedures
Paperwork
It’s created by how you show up and how consistently you reinforce safe behaviors. Sources:
2. Motivation Comes From Connection
Wylie discusses how safety leaders can inspire employees by:
Being relatable
Sharing personal stories
Showing genuine care
Communicating with authenticity
People remember how you made them feel, not the slides you used. Sources:
3. Small Actions Build Big Legacies
The episode highlights that legacy is built through:
Daily conversations
Small corrections
Encouragement
Modeling safe behavior
Consistency beats intensity. Sources:
4. Everyone Leaves a Legacy — The Question Is What Kind
Wylie challenges listeners to reflect on:
What they want to be known for
How they want employees to describe them
Whether their actions match their intentions
Your legacy is being written whether you’re intentional about it or not. Sources:
🚀 Leadership Takeaways
Legacy is built through people, not paperwork.
Connection drives motivation.
Small, consistent actions shape culture.


