

AppleInsider Podcast
AppleInsider
Get the latest iPhone, iPad, Mac, and Apple news every Friday. Tune in to this weekly podcast for in-depth coverage, product reviews, and analysis of all news surrounding Apple. Since 1997 AppleInsider has been a premier source of Apple news, leaks, and rumors. Hosted by William Gallagher and Wesley Hilliard.
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Mar 1, 2024 • 1h 5min
Apple Car blues, Apple Ask, and Apple Vision Pro Experiences on the AppleInsider Podcast
How the cancellation of the Apple Car is a surprise, but one that will benefit Apple's AI plans -- and may already have done so.Contact your hosts@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on email@hillithreads on Threads@Hillitech on TwitterWes on MastodonWes Hilliard on emailSponsored by:Notion: Try out the incredible power of Notion AI today! For a limited time, try Notion AI for free when you visit: notion.com/appleinsiderLinks from the Show:Apple CarDecade-old Apple Car project may be completely deadApple AI is the focus of an investing firm after Apple Car's deathCancelling the Apple Car is a good move, says Morgan StanleyApple will reap giant rewards from the cancelled Apple Car project for decadesApple Pencil 3An Apple Pencil update is coming soon — what you need to knowApple AskInternal Apple AI 'Ask' tool being tested by employeesApple's 'Ask' project may be far more than just an AI-assisted support toolApple Vision ProApple Vision Pro is unsurprisingly expensive to produceApple Vision Pro ongoing demand is in line with all Apple launchesApple Vision Pro could launch overseas sooner than expectedFive Apple Vision Pro Cinema Environments that we'd like to seeApple Vision Pro return rate is about the same as the iPhone 15 ProMisc.Apple believes Spotify wants a free ride, and the EU may just give it to themHomePod with big touchscreen likely isn't coming in 2024Rumor: Apple working on iOS 18 redesign, but it won't look like visionOSiPhone 17 and iPhone 17 Plus rumored to get Always-On and ProMotion displaysBeats Solo 4 surface eight years after the Solo 3 debutedImminent DOJ antitrust case against Apple is in final pre-filing phase — probablyGene Munster: Apple should buy Rivian after cancelling Apple CarApple Music adds new daily 'Heavy Rotation Mix'Apple Pay Later plans will show up on credit reportsSupport the showSupport the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple PodcastsMore AppleInsider podcastsTune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.Podcast artwork from Basic Apple Guy. Download the free wallpaper pack here.Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com
(00:00) - Intro and Apple Car
(06:10) - Project Titan
(09:36) - Tim Cook
(12:38) - Patented no steering wheel
(16:06) - Jony Ive
(23:04) - Fleets and mapping
(25:02) - Apple Ask
(35:24) - Apple Vision Pro in a drawer
(42:32) - Bill of Materials
(45:22) - Yosemite and more experiences
(50:49) - Apple Smart Ring
(54:52) - Eco system
(56:44) - iOS 18
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Feb 23, 2024 • 1h 14min
Apple Sports, Apple Vision Pro, and a Smart Ring on the AppleInsiderPodcast
Apple has proven that it's sports mad by making a slightly crazy new app, while Apple Vision Pro is still giving up secrets, and we may -- or may not -- be about to get another new Apple platform.Contact your hosts@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on email@hillithreads on Threads@Hillitech on TwitterWes on MastodonWes Hilliard on emailSponsored by:SaneBox: Go to sanebox.com/insider to start a two-week free trial of the AI email management tool and get $25 credit too.Fast Growing Trees: Visit fast-growing-trees.com/appleinsider to an additional 15% off plants and trees, even the many already discounted to half priceLinks from the Show:Sports!Hands on: Apple Sports brings a limited experience to tracking your favorite teamsApple designed its new Sports app to be fast and simpleApple brings live scores to new Apple Sports appExperience MLS on Apple Vision Pro, including a 3D specialApple's 3D video cameras spotted during NBA Slam Dunk ContestQuantum iMessageApple is hardening iMessage encryption now to protect it from a threat that doesn't exist yetApple Vision ProApple Vision Pro Travel Case review: too-expensive precision cushioningHands on with Apple Vision Pro ZEISS optical insertsApple Vision Pro followup could be 18 months awayRumorsNew iPhone 16 Pro colors rumored to include yellow and grayAfter years of research, an Apple smart ring may be imminentNew AirPods Max rumored to hit shelves in 2024 without giant feature changesNew iPad sizes detailed in anonymous leakiOS 17.4 beta 4Everything new in iOS 17.4 beta 4iPhoneApple says the iPhone 15 battery is more durable than it originally thoughtSupport the show:Support the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple PodcastsMore AppleInsider podcastsTune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.Podcast artwork from Basic Apple Guy. Download the free wallpaper pack here.Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com
(00:00) - Intro
(01:36) - Where's Wes's Apple Vision Pro
(08:10) - Apple Sports
(23:06) - Apple Vision Pro experiences
(26:59) - Messages security
(34:01) - EU compliance
(38:03) - Catching up with Apple Vision Pro
(46:35) - Apple Vision Pro 2
(50:49) - Apple Smart Ring
(52:02) - Apple Smart Ring
(54:52) - Eco system
(54:53) - iPhone colors
(56:49) - AirPods Max
(59:05) - Thin iPads
(01:03:35) - iOS 17.4
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Feb 16, 2024 • 1h 9min
Fun and games on Apple Vision Pro plus Apple's next releases on the AppleInsider Podcast
Diving in deep into the details of using Apple Vision Pro for work and for all the entertainment it's bringing us -- plus a peek ahead to what Apple devices should be coming next.Contact your hosts@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on email@hillithreads on Threads@Hillitech on TwitterWes on MastodonWes Hilliard on emailSponsored by:Zocdoc: Go to zocdoc.com/appleinsider and download the app to sign-up for FREE. Find doctors and specialists that take your insurance and even book appointments online!Nom Nom: Go to trynom.com/appleinsider right now for 50% off your no-risk two week trial of the service that provides freshly made and personalized food for your dog.Links from the Show:Apple Vision ProUnsurprisingly, Mark Zuckerberg believes Meta Quest 3 is the 'better product, period'Apple Vision Pro vs Meta Quest 3 compared - Displays, prices & graphicsApple Vision Pro now has 1,000 native apps on the visionOS App StoreApple Vision Pro could take four generations to perfectWi-Fi and Bluetooth in Apple Vision Pro aren't cooking your brainFor now, Apple Arcade may be the best place for spatial Apple Vision Pro gamesSpring Apple event predictionsNew iPad, MacBook Air, Mac mini: What to expect from a spring Apple eventiOS 18 and AINew rumor claiming iOS 18 redesign is inspired by Apple Vision Pro is in the wrong orderApple buys domain suggesting generative AI additions may come to iWorkApple's M4 and A18 to have more powerful Neural Engines for iOS 18 AI featuresMiscJon Stewart became a problem for Apple TV+Sports Night on Amazon PrimeFCC commissioner cries antitrust again after Beeper Mini debacleEU backs down, won't force Apple to open iMessage to rivalsRumored screen-equipped HomePod appears in tvOS beta referencesApple Music has you covered for Valentine's Day with two new stationsSupport the showSupport the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple PodcastsMore AppleInsider podcastsTune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.Podcast artwork from Basic Apple Guy. Download the free wallpaper pack here.Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com
(00:00) - Intro
(00:08) - Previously...
(02:14) - Text clarity
(05:54) - Meta Quest 3 is better
(11:26) - Work and comfort
(13:56) - Meta Quest 3 is better
(19:42) - Apple Vision Pro is fast
(22:16) - AVP games
(27:08) - AVP 4
(29:34) - Health
(33:30) - Returning AVP
(36:06) - New Apple devices coming
(39:16) - iPad man
(41:56) - Travel bag
(45:17) - Eco system
(46:31) - Apple software
(57:29) - Jon Stewart and Apple TV+
(01:02:07) - EU and iMessage
(01:05:17) - Apple Vision Pro vs HomePod
(01:06:45) - Love Station
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Feb 9, 2024 • 57min
Apple Vision Pro showdown -- for and against Apple's newest device on the AppleInsider Podcast
Guest Mike Wuerthele shares his perspective on the Apple Vision Pro, discussing its potential in the market and comparing it to other devices like Microsoft's HoloLens. They also review the device's features and limitations, expressing enthusiasm for its future iterations. Additionally, they touch on topics such as the solo loop for the Apple Watch and the evolution and challenges of generative AI.

Feb 2, 2024 • 57min
Epic's back, Apple Vision Pro is here, and Apple made $119B, on the AppleInsider Podcast
As the Apple Vision Pro reaches Apple Stores, the company has announced its latest earnings, and all of this comes in a whirlwind as Apple bends to the EU's will, angers Epic Games again, and we keep getting hints about future features in iOS.Contact your hosts@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on email@hillithreads on Threads@Hillitech on TwitterWes on MastodonWes Hilliard on emailLinks from the Show:Apple has new App Store rules, business terms, and sideloading conditions for EU developersApple Pay NFC hardware getting opened up to EU financial and banking app developersBrowsers like Chrome and Firefox can abandon WebKit in EU with iOS 17.4App Store changes coming in iOS 17.4 to the EU don't blow the walls off of the gardenApple's new App Store rules apply to these 27 countriesWho should stay on and who should leave the EU App Store'Strong action' is coming if the EU doesn't like Apple's App Store concessionsIs Apple's App Store a monopoly or a solution?Epic's Tim Sweeney is mad about Apple's EU App Store concessionsApple's EU App Store changes are extortion, says SpotifyMicrosoft latest to weigh in on Apple's EU App Store rules with disapprovalApple Podcasts offers transcripts for all shows in iOS 17.4iOS 17.4 beta code reveals new iPad Pro and Apple Pencil capabilitiesApple is correcting its terrible approval requirements for game streaming apps in iOS 17.4Eight new CarPlay experience apps spotted in iOS 17.4 beta codeApple will expand SharePlay music control to HomePod and Apple TV in iOS 17.4 and tvOS 17.4References to 'homeOS' resurface in tvOS 17.4 betaApple Vision Pro review roundup: an experience that weighs on youApple Vision Pro: What you need to know beyond the spec sheet and before you buySupport the showSupport the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple PodcastsMore AppleInsider podcastsTune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.Podcast artwork from Basic Apple Guy. Download the free wallpaper pack here.Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com
(00:02) - Apple earnings
(02:08) - Vision Pro reviews
(10:52) - Vision Pro App Store
(15:32) - Vision Pro
(23:04) - EU App Store
(30:14) - Epic Games again
(35:06) - Unity
(40:40) - iOS 17.4 transcriptions
(42:10) - iPad and Apple Pencil features
(46:12) - CarPlay
(51:20) - iPads
(53:02) - Apple Vision Pro battery
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Jan 26, 2024 • 1h 8min
Mac's 40th year, Apple Vision Pro's 1st, plus iPads and Apple TV+ shows on the AppleInsider podcast
It's a week of celebration and anticipation, as Apple's longest-surviving device enters its fifth decade, and it's newest device is still a tantalizing few days away.Contact your hosts@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on email@hillithreads on Threads@Hillitech on TwitterWes on MastodonWes Hilliard on emailSponsored by:Notion: Try out the incredible power of Notion AI today! For a limited time, try Notion AI for free when you visit: notion.com/appleinsiderLINKS FROM THE SHOW:Wes on iPad Pros podcastApple execs praise 'unbelievable' 40 years of MacsForty years of the Mac, the computer for the rest of usLook back in time at Apple's original Mac development teamWebsite with over 1,000 photos of Macs: https://mac40th.com/ICONIC book: https://www.amazon.de/dp/3837525260Windows emulation https://bellard.org/jslinux/Apple Vision Pro storage and AppleCare prices revealedApple Vision Pro screen refresh rate is up to 100Hz, it has Bluetooth 5.3, and more technical detailsApple Vision Pro shipment dates slip nearly instantlyDon't buy on eBay: Apple Vision Pro resale prices on eBay are ridiculousApple Vision Pro and Taylor Swift have one thing in common — botsApple sells up to 180,000 Apple Vision Pro, says KuoMike: Apple Vision Pro is not the iPhone, and faces an incredibly steep uphill climbiPad, iPad Air, iPad mini, iPad Pro: What to expect from Apple in 2024Musical comedy 'Schmigadoon!' dies in Schmicago, won't return for a third season'Killers of the Flower Moon' nominated for 10 Oscars, including Best PictureChildren's programming takes a hit as Apple TV+ lays off eight staffersApple Car is delayed — againSupport the showSupport the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple PodcastsMore AppleInsider podcastsTune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.Podcast artwork from Basic Apple Guy. Download the free wallpaper pack here.Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com
(01:16) - Mac as Windows 2000
(06:44) - Mac therapy
(12:10) - Mac's 40th
(15:32) - Vision Pro
(19:08) - Nashville ahoy
(23:04) - Apple Vision SE
(28:10) - Headset weight and wait
(47:56) - Innovation
(51:20) - iPads
(52:50) - Paste
(57:06) - Apple TV+
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Jan 19, 2024 • 1h 11min
Vision Pro is seconds away and Apple Arcade is booming, on the AppleInsider Podcast
Vision Pro is mere moments from being a reality, Apple Arcade is matching its rivals and the AppleInsider podcast's Champion of Features No One's Heard Of has news about Apple News+.Contact your hosts@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam's 58keys on YouTubeWilliam Gallagher on email@hillithreads on Threads@Hillitech on TwitterWes on MastodonWes Hilliard on emailSponsored by:Zocdoc: Go to zocdoc.com/appleinsider and download the app to sign-up for FREE. Find doctors and specialists that take your insurance and even book appointments online!Nom Nom: Go to trynom.com/appleinsider right now for 50% off your no-risk two week trial of the service that provides freshly made and personalized food for your dog.Links from the showWes on the iPad Pros podcastApple Watch ban back on, court denies Apple's appeal to keep it on the marketApple's stripping out blood oxygen sensing from Apple Watch enough to skirt import banApple will sell Apple Watch with blood oxygen detection removed starting Jan. 18Apple quietly increased the Find My limit to 32 itemsTim Cook's pay drops to $63 million for 2023Apple Arcade user volume nearly matches Nintendo Switch Online and Steam playersApple prepares to enable sideloading and App Store changes in EUEpic vs Apple suit finally ends, as Supreme Court refuses to hear both appealsQuestionable new-year iPhone production cutback reports have already startedApple launches new Black Unity Bloom Apple Watch Band, wallpapers ahead of Black History Month -- iOS 17.3 coming next weekSamsung introduces Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra with 50MP, 200MP camerasApple overtakes Samsung in global smartphone shipments across 2023Support the showSupport the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple PodcastsMore AppleInsider podcastsTune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.Podcast artwork from Basic Apple Guy. Download the free wallpaper pack here.Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com
(00:48) - Apple Watch ban
(05:58) - Find My x 32
(10:10) - Tim Cook pay cut
(12:20) - Apple Arcade
(16:12) - Two App Stores, both alike in dignity
(20:28) - Epic Game Over
(26:31) - iOS 17.3
(28:23) - Stolen Device Protection
(34:31) - Samsung Galaxy S Something
(46:20) - Marker 10
(47:10) - Seven-year Android
(49:36) - Humane AI Pin
(50:50) - Champion of Features No One has Heard Of
(56:44) - Vision Pro in Nashville
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Jan 12, 2024 • 1h
Vision Pro nears, AirTags 2 don't, and an OLED iPad could be coming, on the AppleInsider Podcast
As the time for preordering Apple Vision Pro gets ever closer, one AppleInsider podcast host has decided to go for it -- and the other wishes he were in the right country to try it out. Plus rumored OLED iPads at great cost, and AirTags 2 in the future, on the AppleInsider Podcast.Contact your hosts@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam on Mastodon@hillithreads on Threads@Hillitech on TwitterWes on MastodonSponsored by:Notion: Try out the incredible power of Notion AI today! For a limited time, try Notion AI for free when you visit: notion.com/appleinsiderLinks from the show:Knomo bagsThe Twilight Zone: Nightmare at 20,000 FeetDonnie DarkoApple Vision Pro will ship to customers on February 2Prescription lenses for Apple Vision Pro are cheaper than expectedApple released a short video teasing Apple Vision Pro, paying homage to original iPhone adClicks brings a physical keyboard to your iPhoneSecond-gen AirTag probably won't ship until 2025Steve Jobs unveiled the first iPhone 17 years ago todayHere we go again - Apple rejects Hey Calendar app from App StoreHere are the best new devices from CES Unveiled 2024Support the showSupport the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple PodcastsMore AppleInsider podcastsTune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.Podcast artwork from Basic Apple Guy. Download the free wallpaper pack here.Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: advertising@appleinsider.com
(00:16) - Intro
(00:20) - Wes and the Vision Pro
(15:18) - Vision Pro for developers
(22:46) - OLED iPad
(30:51) - Clicks keyboard
(36:15) - AirTags 2: The Sequel
(39:59) - Airplanes, doors and iPhones, oh my
(44:27) - Original iPhone launch
(49:21) - Hey email
(53:29) - CES
(55:35) - Logging Journal
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Jan 5, 2024 • 1h 9min
Apple's 2023 and a Vision Pro of its future on the AppleInsider Podcast
Discussion includes skepticism towards CES and expectations for HomeKit, comparing Sonos speakers to Apple's HomePod, music preferences and the decline of country music television, savings account humor and AirTags use, excitement for WWDC and journal app improvements, lack of interest in sports and soccer, frustration with Apple's action button, and comparing Series 8 and Series 9 Apple Watches.

Dec 29, 2023 • 1h 1min
Watch out, and back, QR risks and accurate 2024 predictions on the AppleInsider Podcast
The Apple Watch is back on sale for now, and QR codes are being used by fraudsters, plus a very few but entirely accurate predictions for 2024, all on the AppleInsider Podcast.Contact your hosts@williamgallagher_ on Threads@WGallagher on TwitterWilliam on Mastodon@hillithreads on Threads@Hillitech on TwitterWes on MastodonSponsored by:Notion: Try out the incredible power of Notion AI today! For a limited time, try Notion AI for free when you visit: notion.com/appleinsiderMasterclass: This holiday season, give one Annual Membership and get one Free at masterclass.com/appleinsider15Links from the show:I Just Love (on Apple Maps)99% Invisible podcastCortex podcastHookmarkApple Watch import ban kicked off a decade ago by an early-morning email to Tim CookApple appeals Apple Watch ban, citing 'irreparable harm' to its businessJony Ive hires ex-Apple design lead for OpenAI projectLowe's accepts Apple PayMore ridiculous workarounds for Beeper's iMessage hackDOJ antitrust lawyers question Beeper over Apple's iMessage hackMing-Chi Kuo's predictions for 2024Support the showSupport the show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts to get ad-free episodes every week, access to our private Discord channel, and early release of the show! We would also appreciate a 5-star rating and review in Apple PodcastsMore AppleInsider podcastsTune in to our HomeKit Insider podcast covering the latest news, products, apps and everything HomeKit related. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or just search for HomeKit Insider wherever you get your podcasts.Subscribe and listen to our AppleInsider Daily podcast for the latest Apple news Monday through Friday. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.Podcast artwork from Basic Apple Guy. Download the free wallpaper pack here.Those interested in sponsoring the show can reach out to us at: steve@appleinsider.com
(00:00) - Intro
(00:28) - Watch out
(08:30) - The Watch ban all began...
(10:38) - Designer leaving for OpenAI hardware
(11:14) - Smart home devices
(14:39) - Lowe's takes Apple Pay
(16:59) - QR codes
(28:52) - Control Center QR reader versus Camera
(32:16) - Ditch iPhone for Android and Beeper
(35:52) - Apple TV+ hits and locations
(43:32) - Champion of Features No One’s Heard Of
(49:52) - High resolution
(54:58) - Fully accurate predictions of Apple's 2024
(56:26) - Vision Pro rollout
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