

On the Media
WNYC Studios
The Peabody Award-winning On the Media podcast is your guide to examining how the media sausage is made. Hosts Brooke Gladstone and Micah Loewinger examine threats to free speech and government transparency, cast a skeptical eye on media coverage of the week’s big stories and unravel hidden political narratives in everything we read, watch and hear.
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Mar 1, 2025 • 51min
The New 'State Media.' Plus, Podcasters Are Running the FBI.
Anna Merlan, a Senior Reporter at Mother Jones, sheds light on the White House's unprecedented control over the press pool, favoring far-right influencers. Brandy Zadrozny of NBC News discusses the implications of Dan Bongino's rise to the FBI, noting his prior anti-FBI stance. Yaroslav Trofimov from The Wall Street Journal explores changing U.S.-Russia relations, emphasizing Trump's influence on Republican foreign policy regarding Ukraine. This insightful conversation delves into media dynamics and the intersection of politics and national security.

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Feb 26, 2025 • 16min
Writing (and Rewriting) Russian History
Mikhail Zygar, a renowned Russian investigative journalist and author of "War and Punishment," dives deep into the historical narratives that fuel Russia's imperial ambitions. He discusses Putin's controversial claims about Ukrainian identity and the long-standing myths perpetuated by state media. Zygar traces these inaccuracies back to medieval times, revealing how figures like Ivan Mazepa have been mythologized. The conversation highlights the importance of a truthful account of Russian history and the role of cultural icons in shaping national identity.

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Feb 21, 2025 • 51min
Learning Elon Musk’s Media Playbook. Plus, Silicon Valley’s Rightwing Roots.
Will Oremus, a tech reporter at The Washington Post, dives into Elon Musk's role in shaping modern media narratives and right-wing politics, highlighting his controversial feuds and influence on public perception. Becca Lewis discusses Silicon Valley's conservative transition and its impact on technology's role in governance. Elyse Graham reveals how scholars and librarians became unlikely spies during WWII, showcasing the power of narrative manipulation in conflict. Together, these insights unravel the complex interplay between tech and politics both historically and today.

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Feb 19, 2025 • 17min
How Kash Patel Came to Loathe the Media and Love Trump
Elaina Plott Calabro, a staff writer at The Atlantic known for her in-depth profiles, discusses the controversial rise of Kash Patel. She traces his journey from attorney to a prominent figure in the Trump administration. Elaina delves into Patel's transformation and his intense disdain for the media, particularly fueled by his experiences at the Justice Department. The conversation also covers his self-image as both a hero and a victim, and how conspiracy theories, like Italy Gate, shaped his political rhetoric and motivations.

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Feb 15, 2025 • 50min
Donald Trump is Rewriting the Past. Plus, the Christian Groups Vying for Political Power
In this discussion, Jason Stanley, a Yale philosophy professor and author of "Erasing History," reveals how the current administration rewrites narratives to maintain control and implement authoritarian strategies. He emphasizes the dangers of manipulating historical truths. Meanwhile, Matthew D. Taylor, a scholar on Christian nationalism, examines the power struggles among three Christian factions vying for political influence, including Charismatics and traditional Catholics. Their insights illuminate the intertwining of faith and politics in today's landscape.

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Feb 12, 2025 • 51min
The J6 Commutations Have Ripple Effects
Explore the emotional fallout faced by Tasha Adams, the ex-wife of Oath Keepers founder Stuart Rhodes, after his conviction for seditious conspiracy. She reflects on her tumultuous marriage and the broader societal impacts of his actions. Delve into the origins of extremist groups and their recruitment during societal shifts. Hear personal stories of individuals grappling with healing and justice in the wake of political turmoil, revealing complex dynamics in both personal relationships and community conflicts.

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Feb 8, 2025 • 50min
How Wired Magazine is Scooping the Competition. Plus, Whither the Democrats?
In this conversation, Vittoria Elliott of WIRED shares her insights on how tech moguls like Elon Musk are reshaping federal agencies, revealing exclusive scoops on his controversial government maneuvers. Ryan J. Reilly discusses the Justice Department’s turbulent landscape post-January 6. Representative Don Beyer and Ezra Levin examine the Democrats' struggle for effective strategies in a hostile political climate, emphasizing the need for stronger communication and activism. Together, they dissect the intricate dance of power, ethics, and the future of governance.

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Feb 5, 2025 • 17min
Musk's Meddling in European Politics
Bojan Pancevski, the Chief European political correspondent at The Wall Street Journal, delves into Elon Musk’s growing influence on European politics. They explore Musk's controversial admiration for far-right leaders like Italy’s Giorgia Meloni while discussing his active engagement with Germany’s AFD party. The conversation highlights the media's backlash and historical sensitivities surrounding Musk's political maneuvers. Pancevski also sheds light on the rise of a new political influencer in Germany, reshaping the far-right landscape.

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Feb 1, 2025 • 50min
Is That Legal? Plus, DeepSeek and the A.I. Bubble.
Dahlia Lithwick, a senior editor at Slate and host of Amicus, discusses the legal complexities of Donald Trump's executive orders and their clash with existing laws. Ed Zitron, host of Better Offline, dives into how the rise of DeepSeek, a Chinese AI chatbot, threatens to deflate America’s AI bubble. They analyze the overhyping of AI by tech moguls and the gap between public expectations versus actual capabilities of generative AI. The duo calls attention to the industry’s unsustainable trends and the possible ramifications of a bubble burst in tech.

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Jan 29, 2025 • 44min
Brooke Talks AI With Ed Zitron
Ed Zitron, host of the Better Offline podcast and writer of the insightful newsletter "Where's Your Ed At?", dives into the competitive AI landscape with Brooke Gladstone. They discuss how China's DeepSeek R model has emerged as a formidable player, produced at a fraction of the cost and time of U.S. counterparts. Zitron critiques OpenAI's financial struggles despite high revenues and highlights the industry's obsession with trends like the metaverse, questioning the sustainability of current tech models and the risks posed by monopolistic practices.