
Accounting High
Accounting High is the premier practice management podcast for tax and accounting firm owners. Join us for conversations about running a modern accounting practice in the cloud. We are the next generation of accounting professionals questioning the state of the accounting profession.
Latest episodes

Jan 8, 2025 • 47min
242 Dismantling Pyramid Schemes with Selfish Motivations (feat. Chase Birky, CPA, Tim Petrey, CPA, Kenji Kuramoto)
Episode 242
FACULTY: Chase Birky, CPA, Tim Petrey, CPA, and Kenji Kuramoto
CLASS: #AccountingHigh
Join Scotty and the DPS (Destroying Pyramid Schemes) panel of influential accounting leaders—Kenji Kuramoto (Acuity Accounting), Chase Berkey (Dark Horse CPAs), and Tim Petri (HD Growth Partners)—as they discuss innovative approaches to transforming the traditional accounting pyramid scheme firm structure. They explore new business models aimed at improving firm culture and client service, and share personal experiences of breaking away from legacy practices to create more dynamic and sustainable working environments. This engaging conversation delves into the nuances of leadership, firm management, and the future of the accounting profession, making it a must-watch for anyone involved in the field.
📣 Shout Outs: Jason Ackerman, Nikole Mackenzie, Matthew May, Logan Graf, Jim Collins, Blake Oliver, David Wertzbacher, Lee Cohen, LMC, Realize, RightWorks, Ascend, EY, KPMG, BotKeeper, Acuity, Drink While You Think, HD Growth Partners, Dark Horse CPAs
⬇️ Videos Referenced ⬇️
012 Reverse Engineering your Firm (feat. Kenji Kuramoto, CEO)
(https://youtu.be/8dWDZZ5yHHo)
132 A Solution to the Public Accounting Problem (feat. Chase Birky, CPA)
(https://youtu.be/b1577gfJfSM)
223 $7.5M Small Town Big Fish Swimming with PE Sharks | Tim Petrey, CPA
(https://youtu.be/yqekz3qv7oQ)
📚 Books Referenced 📚
“10x is Easier than 2x” by Dan Sullivan and Benjamin P. Hardy
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
00:44 Meet Kenji Kuramoto: The Veteran Guest
01:28 Meet Chase Berkey: The Space Turkey
03:02 Meet Tim Petrey: The Ohio Innovator
06:06 Creating a New Accounting Culture
07:54 Tim's Unique Approach to Firm Management
12:34 Building a Community of Accounting Mavericks
16:06 The Future of Accounting Firms
21:27 Firm as a Service: Dark Horse's Unique Approach
28:05 Rethinking CPA Licensure
31:22 Dismantling the Pyramid Scheme
36:47 The Role of Leadership in Modern Firms
41:02 The Ascend Model: Post-Ascension Changes
45:17 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions
🔗 Connect With Us On Linkedin! 🔗
Chase Birky, CPA | Dark Horse CPAs
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/chasebirky/
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/darkhorsecpa/
📎 https://darkhorse.cpa/
Tim Petrey, CPA | HD Growth Partners
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/petreycpa/
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/hdgrowthpartners/
📎 http://www.hdgrowthpartners.com
Kenji Kuramoto | Acuity Accounting | Drink While You Think
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenjikuramoto/
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/acuity.co/
📎 http://www.acuity.co
📎 https://www.youtube.com/@DrinkWhileYouThink
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Coaching, Accounting Tips, How To Run An Accounting Practice, Accounting Industry, Accounting Practice, CPA, Accounting Community, Firm Structure, Accounting Firm, Pyramid Scheme, Partnerships

Jan 1, 2025 • 50min
241 Scaling Advisory Services and the Evolution of CAS (feat. Nikole Mackenzie)
Episode 241
FACULTY: Nikole Mackenzie aka Niks, aka Nikki, aka Coach Mack
CLASS: #Shoperations
In this episode we have Coach Mack back on aka Nikole Mackenzie as she dives deep into her journey in the evolving world of Client Advisory Services (CAS). Nikole shares her experience from starting in a traditional accounting setting to establishing her firm, Momentum Accounting. We explore the transformation of CAS, and Nikole’s Profit Points system aimed at optimizing business performance. It’s time for another episode of Shoperations at Accounting High!
📣 Shout Outs: Millie, Ramona, Ron Baker, Ronnie Lott, Xero, Reach Reporting, Paycheck, Quickbooks Online, Peachtree, KPMG, Modesto, Bill.com, Gusto, EO, Vistage, Provisors, LiveFlow, GoProposal, Keeper, Teamwork, Profit First
⬇️ Videos Referenced ⬇️
Episode 11 - Beyond Building Momentum (feat. Nikole Mackenzie, CPA)
(https://open.spotify.com/episode/1atA37jRDHV5gsYbGIKFFR?si=b73cc38b9dc34325)
Varsity Tips
(https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7PjVlOCWZ7GkpQTLdWjKImTi2UXJ8yab)
Cash Flow Show
(https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7PjVlOCWZ7Gj5oERq9PBWTYgnY_V3UEj)
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
01:25 Nikole's Journey with Accounting High
02:09 The Birth of Momentum
06:50 Transition to Client Accounting Services (CAS)
10:31 Early Challenges
14:40 Networking and Building the Business
19:06 Remote Work and Team Management
23:52 Understanding CAS: Evolution and Impact
28:40 The Role of Fractional CFOs
31:46 Implementing Reach Reporting
37:22 Training the Team and Clients
45:11 Future Plans and Final Thoughts
🔗 Connect With Us On LinkedIn! 🔗
Nikole Mackenzie
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikolemackenzie/
Momentum Accounting
📎 https://momentumaccounting.com/
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Shoperations, Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Shop Class, Firm Operations, Systems And Processes, CAS, CAAS, Client Advisory Services, Advisory, CFO, Controller, Client Accounting Services, Client Accounting advisory Services, Scaling

Dec 24, 2024 • 46min
240 Separating Fact from Fiction in Accounting from a Loyal CPA (feat. Calvin Harris Jr, CPA)
Episode 240
FACULTY: Calvin Harris Jr, CPA
In this episode, Scotty interviews Calvin Harris Jr., the CEO of the New York Society of CPAs. Calvin shares his extensive career journey, his background, his love for music and tattoos, and his thoughts on the future of accounting amidst technological changes such as AI. Calvin passionately advocates for the CPA profession, emphasizing the opportunities it offers and its evolving nature with advancements in technology. Sit back and take notes on the state of the Accounting Profession.
📣 Shout Outs: Byron Patrick, The New York State Society of CPAs, ChatGPT, Virgin Cruise, Morgan State University, Morehouse College
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
01:53 Calvin's Background and Early Career
02:11 NFL Teams and Sports Loyalty
03:50 Journey to Becoming a CPA
06:16 Advocacy for the CPA Profession
08:38 Social Media and Personal Branding
11:02 First Jobs and Career Transitions
16:28 Loyalty and Career Advice
18:30 The Versatility of a CPA License
21:26 Changing Perceptions of Accountants
25:58 Career Shifts in Accounting
26:45 Challenges for Mid-Career Entrants
27:23 Marketing to the Younger Generation
27:51 Personal Experiences in Auditing
29:02 Hope for the Future of Accounting
33:28 The Impact of Technology and AI
41:38 Balancing Passion and Profession
45:41 Final Thoughts
🔗 Connect With Us On Linkedin! 🔗
Calvin Harris Jr, CPA
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/calvinhjr/
The New York State Society of CPAs
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/nycpasociety/
📎 http://www.nysscpa.org
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Coaching, Accounting Tips, How To Run An Accounting Practice, AI, Artificial Intelligence, Accounting Industry, Accounting Profession, CPA, Accounting Community

Dec 18, 2024 • 43min
239 Growing From Accountant to Entrepreneur [Part 2] (feat. Scott Scarano, EA)
Episode 239
FACULTY: Scott Scarano, EA and Matt Kid, CPA
CLASS: #Shoperations
In this episode, our substitute teacher, Matt Kidd, continues his interview with Scott Scarano, EA where Scott shares the story of how he grew his accounting firm to $1.3 million with $400,000 in annual cash flow, and became completely removed from daily operations. Scott provides insights into the importance of a strong team, unique hiring methods, and embracing technology and innovation in the firm. He also touches on his passion for rapping, his struggle with growth versus letting off the reins, and his future aspirations for his firm.
📣 Shout Outs: Jason Ackerman, Ron Baker, Jody Grunden, Adam Hale, Shane Mason, Ashley Francis, Summit CPAs, Live Plan, Microsoft Dynamics, Karbon, Engage
⬇️Videos Referenced⬇️
The Model Cloud Accounting Firm (feat. Jody Grunden, CPA)
(https://youtu.be/o7ccvINvvic)
Tax Firm Adding Value with Financial Planning and CAS feat Matt Kidd, CPA
(https://youtu.be/X-_9E-4YBXQ)
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
01:26 Building the Firm: Client Acquisition and Niche
04:18 Innovative Hiring Techniques
05:52 Embracing Quirkiness: A Rebel Yell
06:22 Influences and Inspirations
08:00 Beginning the EOS Journey
10:03 Remote Work and Management Trust
12:24 Financial Struggles and Turning Points
20:07 Transitioning Out of Sales
22:43 The Live Plan Experiment
24:14 Facing Failures and Employee Turnover
25:10 Reflecting on Advisory Services
26:45 Firm's Financial Status in 2022
27:49 Challenges and Changes in 2023
29:56 Client Management and Team Growth
32:47 Considering Wealth Management
33:17 Balancing Passions and Career
33:36 The Impact of Podcasting and Rapping
37:08 Future Goals and Reflections
37:51 Learning from the Podcast
39:16 Accounting Influencers
39:53 Closing Thoughts and Final Reflections
🔗 Connect With Us On LinkedIn! 🔗
Matt Kidd, CPA
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewkiddcpa/
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Shoperations, Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Shop Class, Firm Operations, Systems And Processes, Entrepreneur Journey, Firm Growth, EOS, Leadership, Financial Freedom, Scale Business, Scale Firm, Firm Growth

Dec 11, 2024 • 37min
238 Getting Stuck at $1.2M and Getting Out of the Way [Part 1] (feat. Scott Scarano, EA)
Episode 238
FACULTY: Scott Scarano, EA and Matt Kid, CPA
CLASS: #Shoperations
In this episode, one of Accounting High’s substitute teachers, Matt Kidd, CPA interviews Scott Scarano, EA, about his journey through accounting. Scott shared how his grandfather's CPA firm and the family software business shaped his early career, as well as the tough times he faced during college before finding his way back to accounting. He talked about his experiences with remote work, using Xero, and implementing EOS, all of which helped him transform his firm and himself. Over time, Scott grew the business significantly and reinvented his role, evolving from an accountant to a full-fledged entrepreneur.
📣 Shout Outs: Kenji Kuramoto, Jason Staats, Matthew May, Christopher Leon, Jason Ackerman, Bernie Ackerman, Acuity, Xero, XeroCon, XPAC, Thompson Reuters, QuickBooks, BNA CPA’s North Carolina
⬇️Videos Referenced ⬇️
Tax Firm Adding Value with Financial Planning and CAS feat Matt Kidd, CPA
(https://youtu.be/X-_9E-4YBXQ)
📚 Books Referenced 📚
Rocket Fuel by Gino Wickman and Mark c. Winters
(https://www.eosworldwide.com/rocket-fuel-book)
What the Heck is EOS by Gino Wickman and Tom Bouwer
(https://www.eosworldwide.com/what-the-heck-is-eos)
Traction by Gino Wickman
(https://www.eosworldwide.com/traction-book)
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
01:16 Introducing ... Scott Scarano, EA???
02:33 How Scott Got into Accounting
05:15 College Years and Career Beginnings
06:04 Struggles and Turning Points
09:28 Building the Firm
12:02 Growth and Expansion
16:29 Challenges and Adaptations
17:42 Remote Work Experimentation
18:18 Accountant or Entrepreneur?
19:13 Discovering Xero
20:49 Networking and Growth
24:15 Embracing EOS
26:13 Visionary vs. Integrator
28:47 Challenges and Realizations
32:28 COVID and Transformation
35:38 Part 2 Preview
🔗 Connect With Us On LinkedIn! 🔗
Matt Kidd, CPA
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewkiddcpa/
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Shoperations, Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Shop Class, Firm Operations, Systems And Processes, Entrepreneur Journey, Firm Growth, EOS, Leadership, Financial Freedom, Scale Business, Scale Firm

Dec 4, 2024 • 41min
237 Growing $3.5M in 10 Years on the Islands of Hawaii (feat. Dustin Verity, CPA)
Episode 237
FACULTY: Dustin Verity, CPA
CLASS: #Shoperations
In this episode, we sit down with Dustin Verity from Verity CPA, who joins us live from Hawaii. Dustin shares his experiences from founding Verity CPA in 2012, starting with small beginnings working out of a kitchen table to managing a multi-million dollar firm with 25 employees and three offices. The episode offers deep insights into the steps and hurdles of growing a CPA firm from scratch, emphasizing flexibility, continual reinvestment, and the dynamics of business growth.
📣 Shout Outs: Grant Thornton, EY, 4 City Hawaii, Xero, Wesley, Zapier, Airrtable, Ultratax, CCH, Thomson and Reuters, QuickBooks Desktop
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
02:26 Founding Verity CPAs
03:42 Journey to Hawaii
04:15 Starting the Practice
05:25 Early Challenges and Growth
13:56 Navigating the Pandemic
16:16 Firm Expansion and Acquisitions
18:18 Current Operations and Future Plans
23:59 Integrating Systems and Processes
25:30 Journey to Hawaii
26:08 Building a Modern CPA Firm
28:27 Marketing and Client Acquisition
33:10 Lessons from Acquisition
36:31 Final Advice and Reflections
🔗 Connect With Us On LinkedIn! 🔗
Dustin Verity, CPA
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/dustinverity/
Verity CPAs
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/verity-cpas/
📎 http://www.veritycpas.com/
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Shoperations, Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Shop Class, Firm Operations, Systems And Processes, Hawaii CPA, Firm Growth, Scaling

Nov 27, 2024 • 52min
236 Firm Partnerships, No Egos, and Systems for Good Measure (feat. Joe Carufe & Ben Curtis, CPA)
Episode 236
FACULTY: Joe Carufe and Ben Curtis, CPA
CLASS: #Shoperations
In this episode, Scotty hosts Joe Carufe and Ben Curtis of Good Measure. They discuss their unique approach to building a new type of firm, embracing partnership without ego, and intentionally planning for sustainable growth. The conversation dives into the evolution from their past experiences to creating Good Measure with a focus on strong client relationships and community impact. Joe and Ben share their vision for a balanced professional and personal life, their process in finding ideal clients, and the importance of giving back. Engaging and insightful, this episode provides a blueprint for building a purpose-driven, successful firm.
📣 Shout Outs: Good Measure, Karbon, Adam Slack, Two Roads, System Six, Chris Williams, Deeper Weekend, QuickBooks, Ian Vacin, Jeremy Allen, Gusto, Intuit, Bill.com
⬇️Videos Referenced⬇️
The Accounting Game (feat. Chris Williams, CEO)
(https://youtu.be/AhkKXviITnw)
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
02:02 Joe's Journey
03:36 Why start as a Partnership?
06:10 Working at System Six
07:11 Starting Good Measure
10:22 Scaling and Team Growth
17:14 Financials and Future Plans
20:24 Balancing Roles and Responsibilities
27:55 Defining the Ideal Client
29:52 Psychographics
31:09 Client Acquisition Strategies
34:12 Leveraging Technology and Innovation
48:20 Final Thoughts and Advice
🔗 Connect With Us On LinkedIn! 🔗
Joe Carufe
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-carufe-20603621/
Ben Curtis, CPA
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-curtis-goodmeasure/
Good Measure
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/good-measure-financial/
📎 http://www.goodmeasurefinancial.com
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Partnerships, Good Measure, Joe Carufe, Ben Curtis, Cloud Bookkeeping, Business Growth, System Builders, Partnership Goals, Financial Planning, Entrepreneur Life, Small Business, Accounting Firms, Client Acquisition, Business Advice, Business Leadership, Client Relationships, Scale Your Business, Shoperations, Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Shop Class, Firm Operations, Systems And Processes

Nov 20, 2024 • 55min
235 $70M Managing Partner is Authentic AF and Queen B of the AICPA (feat. Carla McCall, CPA)
Episode 235
FACULTY: Carla McCall, CPA aka Queen B
CLASS: #Shoperations
In this episode, Scotty interviews Carla McCall, CPA, managing partner of AAFCPAs and chair of the AICPA. Carla shares her innovative approach to the accounting profession, emphasizing a people-first culture that flips the traditional script of client and firm importance. She discusses the importance of technology integration, lessons learned from her career journey, and strategies implemented to create a supportive and inclusive workplace. Carla also touches on her work with the AICPA, the future of the accounting profession, and the challenges and rewards of leading through change.
📣 Shout Outs to Byron Patrick, CPA.CITP, Herb Alexander, CannCount, Ron Baker, AICPA, AAFCPAs
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
05:17 Early Career and Influences
07:37 Joining AAFCPAs and Career Growth
13:53 Leadership and Firm Culture
29:31 Recognizing Opportunities in Bookkeeping
29:49 Scaling the Business with Strategic Leadership
30:33 Diverse Practices and Technological Integration
32:11 Advisory Services and Strategic Shifts
38:14 Remote Work and Office Dynamics
42:21 Leadership and Authenticity
48:46 Future of the Profession and Technological Advancements
🔗 Connect With Us On LinkedIn! 🔗
Carla McCall, CPA
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlamccallaaf/
AAFCPAs
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/aafcpa/
📎 https://www.aafcpa.com/
CannCount
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/canncount/
📎 https://www.aafcpa.com/industries/cannabis-businesses/canncount/
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Shoperations, Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Shop Class, Firm Operations, Systems And Processes, Women In Accounting, Leadership, People First, Inclusion, Technology, ChangeMakers, AICPA, Innovation

Nov 13, 2024 • 52min
234 Tax Firm Adding Value with Financial Planning and CAS (feat. Matt Kidd, CPA)
Matt Kidd, CPA and owner of a thriving accounting practice, discusses his family's legacy as CPAs, sharing insights from his father and two brothers in the field. He dives into the challenges of modernizing traditional accounting practices and the integration of wealth management services. The conversation highlights the importance of client relationships and effective communication in a hybrid work environment. Matt also addresses the transition from outdated tax software to advanced systems, emphasizing the need for adaptability in the ever-evolving accounting landscape.

Nov 10, 2024 • 31min
233 Get In Where You Fit In to Shoot Your Shot at CPAcon (feat. Kendale King, CPA)
Episode 233
FACULTY: Kendale King, CPA
CLASS: #AccountingHigh
Join us as Scotty interviews Kendale King, CPA from Los Angeles, who shares his inspiring journey from childhood entrepreneurship with his brother to a successful career in Hollywood accounting. Kendale discusses his transition from auditing roles at Deloitte to working in entertainment consulting with major companies like Netflix. His passion for accounting and entrepreneurial spirit led him to launch CPAcon, the first accounting olympics. Discover what Kendale is bringing to the accounting world in this episode!
📣 Shout Outs: CPACon, Deloitte, Chrysler, Morehouse College, Siegfried Seals Group, 21st Century Fox, Netflix, Earmark, Richard, Denise Freming, CalCPA, Dream Con
Chapters:
00:00 Teaser
01:55 Kendale's Background and Early Life
02:41 Choosing a Career Path
03:41 First Steps in Accounting
05:24 Early Entrepreneurial Ventures
09:31 Transition to Entertainment Industry
12:10 Experience at Netflix
14:27 Post-Netflix Career Moves
19:24 Introducing CPACon: Gamifying Accounting
29:42 Final Thoughts and Advice
🔗 Connect With Us On Linkedin! 🔗
Kendale King, CPA
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/kendale-king-cpa-💵-90916721/
KCK CPA
📎 https://www.kck-cpa.com/services
CPAcon
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/cpacon/
📎 https://www.thecpacon.com/
Scotty OKR Scarano
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottscarano/
Accounting High
📎 https://www.linkedin.com/company/accounting-high/
📎 https://www.accountinghigh.com/
Tags: Accounting High, Accounting, Podcast, Coaching, Accounting Tips, How To Run An Accounting Practice, CPACon, CP, accounting event, entrepreneurship, DreamCon, Los Angeles, networking