
This Is Not Church Podcast
This Is Not Church podcast offers a compelling and thought-provoking exploration of the intersections between deconstruction, activism, spirituality, and the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as vital issues like Black Lives Matter and First Nations' rights. Hosted by passionate individuals who are dedicated to fostering open and inclusive conversations, this podcast delves into the complex journey of deconstructing one's faith, while simultaneously embracing and advocating for the rights and stories of the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as the fight for racial justice within the Black Lives Matter movement and the preservation of First Nations' cultures and rights. With a focus on examining the evolving landscapes of faith and identity, "This Is Not Church" provides a safe and informative space for listeners to engage with narratives of self-discovery, resilience, and transformation, ultimately encouraging a more empathetic and understanding society.
Latest episodes

May 20, 2024 • 59min
In The Shadow Of Freedom: A Conversation With Alessandra Harris
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the Deadly Faith Podcast. A true crime podcast that explores the world where religion and crime collide.In this episode we chat with Alessandra HarrisAlessandra Harris doesn't shy away from controversial topics, and writes books that reflect the diversity of her world. In addition to writing fiction, Alessandra is an advocate for mental health and racial justice. She lives in the San Francisco Bay Area with her husband and four children. Her debut novel, Blaming the Wind, was published by Red Adept Publishing in 2016, followed by Everything She Lost in 2018, and Last Place Seen in 2022. Her first non-fiction title, In the Shadow of Freedom: The Enduring Call for Racial Justice, will be released with Orbis Books in 2024. In addition to co-founding and writing for Black Catholic Messenger, her writing has appeared in National Catholic Reporter, America Magazine, US Catholic, The Revealer, Critical Theology, The Catholic Worker, and Notre Dame's Grotto Network.You can follow Alessandra on:Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads YouTubeYou can find all things Alessandra Hariis related on her websiteYou can purchase In The Shadow Of Freedom on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus ProjectEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

May 15, 2024 • 30min
Bonus Episode: Introducing Bethany Cseh
This quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by RJ The Astronaut by Jon Turney. Published by Quoir and available now. In this episode Jon and Nat chat with Bethan CsehBethany Nass Cseh is a writer, speaker, pastor, and mama to three adopted kids. You might know her as Pastor Bethany. And now you will know her as a co-host of This Is Not Church Podcast.You can follow Bethany on:Facebook Instagram TwitterCheck out Catalyst Church on their websiteYou can purchase Bethany's books on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus ProjectEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

May 13, 2024 • 1h 4min
Restorative Hope: A Conversation With Sarah F Farmer
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by Liminal Living Podcast - Where we dive deep into the realm of liminal spaces—those transitional phases where uncertainty is our companion.In this episode we chat with Sarah F FarmerSarah F. Farmer is associate director at the Wabash Center for Teaching and Learning in Theology and Religion in Crawfordsville, Indiana. Prior to that, she served as associate professor of community development and practical theology at Indiana Wesleyan University. As a practical theologian, she teaches classes in community development, faith formation, youth ministry, and transformative pedagogy. Her courses connect with local nonprofits to encourage students to serve their community.You can follow Sarah F Farmer on:You can purchase Restorative Hope on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus ProjectEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

May 6, 2024 • 1h 3min
A History Of The Goddess: A Conversation With Ed Dodge
Thie Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Resurrection of Jesse Barrow by Brandon Dragan. Published by Quoir and available nowIn this episode we chat with Ed DodgeYou can follow Ed Dodge on:Facebook Instagram Twitter SubstackYou can find all things Ed Dodge related on his websiteYou can purchase A Histroy Of The Goddess on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew PubJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Apr 29, 2024 • 1h 3min
How To Walk Into A Room: A Conversation With Emily Freeman
This Quoircast podcast is brought to you by the Snarky Faith Podcast. Your irreverent guide to navigating the maze of life, culture, and spirituality. Hosted by Stuart DelonyIn the episode we chat with Emily FreemanEmily P. Freeman is the New York Times bestselling author of six books, including The Next Right Thing: A Simple Soulful Practice for Making Life Decisions and How to Walk into a Room: The Art of Knowing When to Stay and When to Walk Away. With a masters degree in Spiritual Formation and Leadership from Friends University, her most important work is to help create soul space and offer spiritual companionship and discernment for anyone struggling with decision fatigue. Emily has been a featured speaker for Renovaré, Anglican Mission in the Americas, Faith and Culture Writers Conference, and The Apprentice Gathering. Her writing has been featured in Today Parents, Christianity Today, and Patheos. Her nationally ranked podcast, The Next Right Thing, has more than 26 million downloads and she regularly offers perspective and clarity through her weekly newsletter, The Soul Minimalist. Emily is a glad partner to her husband John and together they have three children: two in college and one in high school.You can follow Emily on:Facebook. Instagram. TwitterYou can find all things Emily Freeman related on her websiteCheck our her podcast The Next Right ThingYou can purchase How To Walk Into A Room on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew PubJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Apr 22, 2024 • 57min
So Eden Sank To Grief: A Conversation With Eric Reitar
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by The Quantum Sayings of Jesus: Decoding the Lost Gospel of Thomas by Keith Giles. Published by Quoir and Available 4/23/24In this episode we chat with Eric ReitanWhen he isn't hiding his kids' noses behind the furniture, playing his fiddle, or teaching philosophy at Oklahoma State University, Eric Reitan is writing. He is the award-winning author of scholarly articles, short stories, and four books, including the Choice Outstanding Academic Title Is God a Delusion? A Reply to Religion's Cultured Despisers and, most recently, the science fiction novel So Eden Sank to Grief.You can follow Eric on:Facebook Instagram TwitterYou can purchase So Eden Sank To Grieg on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew PubJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer

Apr 16, 2024 • 1h 2min
Finding Jesus: A Conversation With Herb Montgomery
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by Bros Bibles & Beer. Serious conversations on faith and culture while not taking ourselves too seriously. In this episode we chat with Herb MontgomeryHerb is an author, internationally recognized speaker, and the director of Renewed Heart Ministries in West Virginia. Herb really does have an unusual gift for taking very complex concepts and making them simple enough for everyone to understand and appreciate. Herb has spoken to audiences which range from the intellectual criticism of Princeton University to audiences found in small rural churches.You can follow Herb Montgomery on:Facebook Twitter Instagram You can purchase Finding Jesus on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Apr 8, 2024 • 1h 7min
Deconstructing Your Faith: A Conversation With Angela Herrington
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by Deadly Faith Podcast: A true crime podcast that explores the world where religion and crime collide.In this episode we chat with Angela HerringtonAngela is a faith deconstruction coach and host of The Deconstructing Faith Summit who helps people break free from toxic religious culture & empowers them to recover from #churchhurt. She has led online ministries for a decade, enjoys working with clients 1:1, in groups, and is a dynamic conference speaker. She’s a Lark’s Song Certified Life Coach who reaches thousands of people in 40+ countries each month on Facebook, IG, Twitter, Pinterest, and her blog. Angela and her unique online ministry were featured in Lyz Lenz’s 2019 book God Land: Story of Faith, Loss, and Renewal in Middle America. She has published articles in Hope for Women, and HOPE is Now magazines. Articles about her have been published in The New Republic, Publisher’s Today, and Religion News Service. Her first book, Deconstruct Your Faith Without Losing Yourself, was published by Eerdmans in February 2024. You can follow Angelia on:Facebook Instagram Twitter YouTube TikTokYou can fin all things Angela Herrington related on her websiteYou can purchase Deconstructing Your Faith Without Losing Yourself on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Apr 1, 2024 • 1h 4min
Mimetic Theory And Middle Earth: A Conversation With Matthew Distefano
This Quoircast episode is brought to you the book Letting Go(d) by Aaron Simnowitz. Published by Quoir and available now.In this episode we chat with Matthew DistefanoMatthew J. Distefano is the author of multiple books, including the wildly popular Heretic! and From the Blood of Abel. He is an audio engineer, the producer of the Heretic Happy Hour podcast, cohost of Apostates Anonymous, and is a regular columnist for Patheos. He holds an undergraduate degree in Education from California State University, Chico, and has been in social work for over a decade, currently working as a Professional Service Coordinator in Butte County, California. In addition to his professional life, Matthew enjoys gardening, bicycling, and European football. He is a huge Tolkien nerd who one day hopes to live in Bag End with his wife and daughter.You can follow Matthew on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeYou can find all things Matthew Distefano related on his websiteYou can purchase Mimetic Theory & Middle Earth on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Mar 25, 2024 • 1h 9min
Gone For Good: A Conversation With Mark Elsdon
This Quoircast episode is brought to you by Quoirlings Book Club: Books. Deconstruction. Community. Ask to join today.In this episode we chat with Mark Elsdon.Mark Elsdon lives and works at the intersection of money and meaning as an entrepreneur, nonprofit executive, author, and speaker. He is the author of, We Aren't Broke, about the use of faith-based property and investments for social enterprise and impact investing. Mark’s new book, Gone for Good? Negotiating the Coming Wave of Church Property Transition is now available. Mark is cofounder of RootedGood, which supports catalytic and innovative church leaders working on property development, money and mission alignment, and social enterprise; executive director at Pres House and Pres House Apartments on the University of Wisconsin's Madison campus; principal at Threshold Sacred Development; and past president of the board of directors for Working Capital for Community Needs, an impact investing fund that provides microfinance funding to the working poor in Latin America. You can follow Mark on:Facebook Instagram LinkedInYou can find all things Mark Elsdon related on his websiteYou can purchase Gone For Good on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly FaithJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our StoriesEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!