This Is Not Church Podcast

This Is Not Church
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Oct 20, 2025 • 58min

We Pray Freedom: A Conversation With Liz Theoharis & Charon Hribar

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Wild Olive PodcastIn this episode we chat with Liz Theoharis & Charon HribarRev. Dr. Liz Theoharis is a theologian, pastor, author, and anti-poverty activist. She is the executive director of the Kairos Center for Religions, Rights, and Social Justice and co-chair of the Poor People's Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival. Rev. Dr. Theoharis has been organizing in poor and low-income communities for thirty years. Her books include We Cry Justice, We Pray Freedom, You Only Get What You're Organized to Take, and Always with Us?, and she has been published in the New York Times, Politico, the Washington Post, Sojourners,and elsewhere. Rev. Dr. Theoharis is co-pastor of the Freedom Church of the Poor, and teaches at educational institutions across the country, including Union Theological Seminary in New York City, Episcopal Divinity School, Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary, and more.Dr. Charon Hribar is a movement song leader, cultural organizer, and social ethicist. She serves as the director of cultural strategies for the Kairos Center and as co-director of theomusicology and movement arts for the Poor People's Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival. She cofounded Songs in the Key of Resistance and has been instrumental in creating music and cultural resources like the Songs in the Key of Resistance Songbook and the We Cry Justice Cultural Arts Project. Dr. Hribar combines on-the-ground organizing with teaching and leading social-movement music nationwide, empowering communities to integrate arts into their efforts for justice. She lives in the Bronx.You can connect with Liz on:Facebook     InstagramYou can connect with Charon on:Facebook     InstagramYou can purchase We Pray Freedom at Bookshop.orgou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Oct 13, 2025 • 1h 5min

The Separation Of Church And Hate: A Conversation With John Fugelsang

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by High Minds PodcastIn this episode we chat with John FugelsangJohn Fugelsang has been murdered on CSI and picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church. He’s a Drama League–nominated actor, comedian, and broadcaster who’s hosted many TV shows and podcasts, including the acclaimed Tell Me Everything series on SiriusXM Progress. He’s gotten George Harrison to give his final performance on VH1, debated Jerry Falwell and David Duke, and made many appearances on MSNBC, FOX News, and CNN. His epic PBS road trip film on the American Dream, Dream On, directed by Roger Weisberg, was named Best Documentary at the New York Independent Film Festival. Fugelsang lives in New York City with his family.You can connect with John Fugelsang on:Facebook     Instagram     Threads     TikTok     YouTubeYou can find all things John Fugelsang related on his websiteLike and subscribe to the John Fugelsang PodcastYou can purchase The Separation Of Church And Hate on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Oct 6, 2025 • 46min

The Subversive Soul: A Conversation With Phyllis Mathis

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Wild Olive PodcastIn this episode we chat with Phyllis MathisPhyllis Mathis is the author of The Subversive Soul: The Gentle Revolution Everyone Needs. Throughout her long career as a therapist, spiritual companion, and life coach, her aim has always been to move beyond repair and self-improvement, toward a life of wholeness and flow.  She loves learning and teaching, spontaneity and collaboration. She loves conversation and the way it forms us into better versions of ourselves. She enjoys art and music, humor and play, riding her bike, and spending time with friends.  Most of all, she loves how the soul is always at work within us, gently inviting us into wholeness.You can follow Phyllis on:Facebook     Instagram     For all things Phyllis Mathis related check out her websiteLike and subscribe to Phyllis' Podcast Soul + PracticeYou can purchase The Subversive Soul on Amazon.ComYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Sep 29, 2025 • 56min

The Last Voyage: A Conversation With Brian McLaren

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by How to Not Suck as a Christian by Jeremy Steele. Published by Quoir and available nowIn this episode we chat with Brian McLarenBrian McLaren is a bestselling author, internationally acclaimed speaker and outspoken advocate for 'a new kind of Christianity'. Named one of Time magazine's 25 most influential Evangelical Christians, McLaren was a pastor for over 20 years. He is a frequent guest on radio and television programmes, and an in-demand blogger on faith and public policyYou can connect with Brian McLaren on:Facebook     Instagram     ThreadsYou can find all things Brian McLaren related on his websiteYou can purchase The Last Voyage on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Sep 22, 2025 • 1h 2min

Shiny Happy People: A Conversation With Laci Bean

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The Joy of Letting Go: How One Thing Has the Power to Change Everything by Kevin Sweeney. Published by Quoir and available nowIn this episode we chat with Laci BeanLaci Bean is a wife and mother of 3 spirited young girls, currently residing in East Tennessee. Before she became a professional tantrum and meltdown negotiator she escaped a religious cult. After COVID and the political climate of 2020 she began her religious deconstruction journey and grew a substantial following on Social Media. Laci is one of the founders and co-hosts of The Deadly Faith Podcast.You can connect with Laci on:Facebook     Instagram     Threads     TikTokYou can purchase Laci's book Leaving The Sanctuary on Amazon.ComSubscribe to Laci's podcast Deadly FaithYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Sep 15, 2025 • 1h 11min

Simply Us: A Conversation with Nat, Bethany, and Jon

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The God I Was Given by Scot Loyd. Published by Quoir and available nowIn this episode we decided to skip the guest and just hang out together—just us chatting it up.You can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Sep 8, 2025 • 1h 7min

The Judas Effect: A Conversation With Amy Hawk

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by How to Not Suck as a Christian by Jeremy Steele. Published by Quoir and available now.In this episode we chat with Amy HawkAmy is an author, YouTuber and Bible study teacher. A graduate of Eastern Washington University, she has a degree in broadcast journalism and wrote a book about her dad, a prisoner in the Vietnam war, with the help of John McCain. Most recently, Amy has written her personal testimony of leaving the white Evangelical church in 2016 due to its alliance with Donald Trump. Her new book is called The Judas Effect: How Evangelicals Betrayed Jesus for Power. She is putting her journalism degree to work by teaching daily Bible Studies about the church’s unholy alliance with Donald Trump and the false gospel of Christian Nationalism.You can connect with Amy on:Facebook     Instagram     Threads     TikTok     YoutubeYou can find all things Amy Hawk related on her websiteYou can purchase The Judas Effect: How Evangelicals Betrayed Jesus for Power on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Sep 1, 2025 • 1h 2min

Yogalands: A Conversation With Paul Bramadat

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The Subversive Soul by Phyllis Mathis. Published by Quoir and available now.In this episode we chat with Paul BramadatPAUL BRAMADAT is director of the Centre for Studies in Religion and Society at the University of Victoria and the co-editor of Religion at the Edge: Nature, Spirituality, and Secularity in the Pacific Northwest. He practices and teaches Ashtanga yoga.You can connect with Paul Bramadat on:Facebook     Instagram     ThreadsYou can purchase Yogalands on Amazon.ComYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Aug 25, 2025 • 1h 4min

Found Family: A Conversation With MaryB Safrit

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The Subversive Soul by Phyllis Mathis. Published by Quoir and available now.In this episode we chat with MaryB SafritMaryB. Safrit is a NYC-based writer, podcaster, and speaker passionate about helping folks who fall through the cracks of the church reclaim their agency and create found family in their right-now lives. She's also your friendly neighborhood bisexual, a recovering people pleaser, and hospitality nerd. Her podcast, Found Family with MaryB. Safrit, celebrates the creative ways guests are making community in their actual lives and is available wherever you get podcasts. She writes regularly on Substack at marybsafrit.substack.com. Follow her on Instagram, Threads, and TikTok @maryb.safrit and check out her cheeky, empowering merch on her website, marybsafrit.com.You can connect with MaryB on:Facebook     Instagram     TikTok     SubstackYou cna find all things MaryB Safrit related on her websiteCheck out her podcast Found FamilyYou can purchase The Single Christian's Church Survival Guide: How to Navigate Church Culture and Conversations Without Losing Your Mind on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Aug 18, 2025 • 1h 4min

The Triumph Of Life: A Conversation With Rabbi Irving Greenberg

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Everly and the Little Red Door by Dannika Roggie. Published by Quoir and available nowIn this episode we chat with Rabbi Irving (Yitz) GreenbergRabbi Irving Greenberg is a preeminent Jewish thinker, theologian, activist, president of the J.J. Greenberg Institute for the Advancement of Jewish Life, and senior scholar in residence at Hadar. He is the author of five books, including For the Sake of Heaven and Earth: The New Encounter between Judaism and ChristianityYou can connect with Rabbi Greenberg on:FacebookYou can purchase The Triumph Of Life on Amazon.ComYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook     Instagram      TikTok     YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous    Second Cup with Keith     The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest      Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive     Deadly Faith     Spirituality Brew Pub     Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster     Sacred Thoughts     Holy Heretics     Reframing Our Stories     Bros Bibles & Beer      Liminal LivingLove Covered Life     The Social Jesus Project     I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist     Radical Love Live     The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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