
This Is Not Church Podcast
This Is Not Church podcast offers a compelling and thought-provoking exploration of the intersections between deconstruction, activism, spirituality, and the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as vital issues like Black Lives Matter and First Nations' rights. Hosted by passionate individuals who are dedicated to fostering open and inclusive conversations, this podcast delves into the complex journey of deconstructing one's faith, while simultaneously embracing and advocating for the rights and stories of the LGBTQIA+ community, as well as the fight for racial justice within the Black Lives Matter movement and the preservation of First Nations' cultures and rights. With a focus on examining the evolving landscapes of faith and identity, "This Is Not Church" provides a safe and informative space for listeners to engage with narratives of self-discovery, resilience, and transformation, ultimately encouraging a more empathetic and understanding society.
Latest episodes

Jul 7, 2025 • 1h 1min
The Kingdom Of Man: A Conversation With Eric English
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The Heretic Happy Hour PodcastIn this episode we chat with Eric EnglishEric Scot English writes the UNenlightenment column for Patheos Progressive Christian. Eric also hosts a podcast called UNenlightenment where he interviews leading thinkers in the Christian faith about various topics associated with progressive Christianity and evangelicalism. Eric holds advanced degrees in philosophy and theology.You can connect with Eric on:Facebook InstagramCheck out Eric's blog UNenlightenmentYou can purchase The Kingdom Of Man on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Jun 30, 2025 • 58min
Women Who Wear Only Themselves: A Conversation With Arundhathi Subramaniam
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by The Heretic Happy Hour PodcastIn This episode we chat with Arundhathi SubramaniamArundhathi Subramaniam is a leading Indian poet, described as “one of the finest poets writing in India today” (The Hindu, 2010) and “a unique poet of our times... in a league all by herself” (Indian Literature, 2021). Winner of the Sahitya Akademi Prize for Poetry 2020 (awarded by India’s national academy of letters), her fourteen books include Love Without a Story (Bloodaxe Books, 2020)and most recently, the Penguin anthology of Indian female sacred poetry, Wild Women (2024). Shortlisted for the prestigious TS Eliot Prize for Poetry in 2015, her various poetry awards include the Il Ceppo Prize in Italy, the Mahakavi Kanhaiyalal Sethia Award, the inaugural Khushwant Singh Prize, the Zee Women’s Award for Literature, the Raza Award for Poetry, the Mystic Kalinga Award, the Trinity Arts Festival Lifetime Achievement Award, the Homi Bhabha and Charles Wallace fellowships, among others. She has worked over the years as curator, critic and poetry editor, and divides her time between New York, Mumbai, and Chennai.You can connect with Arundhathi on:Facebook InstagramYou can find all things Arundhathi Subramaniam related on her websiteYou can purchase Women Who Wear Only Themselves: Four Travelers on Their Sacred Journeys on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Jun 23, 2025 • 59min
The Everybody Gospel: A Conversation With Francis Leeman
This Quourcast Podcast episode is brought to you by The Quantum Gospel of Mary and The Lost Gospel of Truth by Keith Giles. Published by Quoir and available nowIn this episode we chat with Francis LeemanAlong with his wife Linda and some good friends, Fran Leeman has led LifeSpring Church for over thirty years. He is the author of several books and the founder of New Life for Haiti. As a pastor engaged in theological work with Catholic roots and decades in the evangelical stream, Fran believes the Christian faith and the western church are due for, and beginning to experience, their next evolution, one where we realize that love is the beginning, middle, and end of the human and Christian journey.You can connect with Francis Leeman on:FacebookCheck out the website for LifeSpring ChurchYou can purchase The Everybody Gospel: Why and How an Evangelical Church Journeyed from Judgment to the Inclusion of LGBTQ People on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Jun 16, 2025 • 1h 9min
Christ Saves All: A Conversation With Steven HAuse
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Only Us: Searching for the Truth about the Identity of God and Humanity by Jaxon Phoenix. Published by Quoir and available now.In this episode we chat with Steven HAuseSteven HAuse is an English language teacher who has lived and taught in Bolivia, Spain, and Japan. He loves learning more about different cultures, exploring theological topics, and watching all kinds of great movies.You can connect with Steven on:Facebook InstagramYou can purchase Christ Saves All: Christian Universalist Perspectives on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Jun 9, 2025 • 1h 14min
God And The Gay Christian: A Conversation With Matthew Vines
This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Peelakiiyankwi: Processing Liberation Through an Indigenous American Lens Published by Quoir and is available now.In this episode we chat with Matthew VinesMatthew Vines is the founder of The Reformation Project, a Bible-based, Christian nonprofit that works to advance an orthodox and affirming vision for the church. Vines’s work has been featured in media worldwide, including Time, the Associated Press, and The New York Times. Vines lives in Dallas, Texas.You can connect with Matthew on:Facebook Instagram YouTubeYou can find all things Matthew Vines related on his websiteYou can find more info about the Reformation Project on their websiteYou can purchase God And The Gay Christian on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

Jun 2, 2025 • 1h 5min
Unless A Seed Falls To The Ground: A Conversation With D. T. Bryant
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Quollective. We are a collective team of writers, poets, musicians, mystics, and cultural commentators who refuse to let injustice go unchecked.In this episode we chat with D. T. BryantD.T. Bryant serves as a priest at St. Mary of Bethany Parish and as a Spiritual Director for The Center for Hope and Healing in Nashville, TN. He is also a co-founder of the Black Mental Health Counselor Reparations Foundation. He is passionate about seeking practical, just, and merciful healing in the world and enjoys life with his wife and four children.You can connect with D. T. Bryant on:Instagram Bluesky SubStackYou can find all things D. T. Bryant related on his websiteYou can purchase Unless A Seed Falls To The Ground at Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

May 26, 2025 • 1h 4min
Queer & Christian: A Conversation With Brandan Robertson
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Quollective. We are a collective team of writers, poets, musicians, mystics, and cultural commentators who refuse to let injustice go unchecked.In this episode we chat with Brandan RobertsonRev.Brandan Robertson is a renowned pastor, author, and public theologian based in Queens, New York. He holds a Bachelor of Arts in Pastoral Ministry and Biblical Studies from Moody Bible Institute, a Master of Theological Studies from Iliff School of Theology, and a Master of Arts in Political Science and Public Administration from Eastern Illinois University. Currently, he is pursuing a PhD in Biblical Studies at Drew University.You can connect with Brandan onFacebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeYou can find all things Brandan Robertson related on his websiteYou can purchase Queer & Christian: Reclaiming the Bible, Our Faith, and Our Place at the Table on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

May 19, 2025 • 1h 2min
God's Ex-Girlfriend: A Conversation With Gloria Beth Amodeo
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Quollective. We are a collective team of writers, poets, musicians, mystics, and cultural commentators who refuse to let injustice go unchecked.In this episode we chat with Gloria Beth AmodeoGloria Beth Amodeo’s fiction, nonfiction, interviews, and reviews have appeared in Publishers Weekly, The Literary Review, Carrier Pigeon, American Atheist and H.O.W. Journal, where Mary Gaitskill selected a short story of hers as the winner of a fiction contest. Gloria received her MFA in Creative Writing from The New School, and currently works at an advertising agency in New York City. In 2020, she was featured in the documentary, People You May Know, on Amazon Prime, where she discussed her experiences with Campus Crusade for Christ (Cru) and how the organization is now using big data to convert vulnerable college students. God's Ex-Girlfriend is her debut work. She lives in Brooklyn, New York.You can connect with Gloria Beth on:Facebook InstagramYou can find all things Gloria Beth Amodeo related on her websiteYou can purchase God's Ex-Girlfriend on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

May 12, 2025 • 56min
Out Of The Blue: A Conversation With Mary Terhune
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by Peelakiiyankwi: Processing Liberation Through an Indigenous American Lens by Ryan Remington. Published by Quoir and available nowIn this episode we chat with Mary TerhuneMary Terhune, R.N., has been involved in the healing arts for over 40 years, journeying from allopathy to homeopathy, body-centered massage, Reiki and energy medicine. She studied at the Renaissance Institute of Classical Homeopathy and has a degree in sociology from Boston College. After practicing in Western medicine in different settings, she discovered natural medicine out of the need to heal herself.You can connect with Mary on:FacebookYou can find all things Mary Terhune related on her websiteYou can purchase Out Of The Blue on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!

May 5, 2025 • 1h 6min
Reading Romans Right: A Conversation With Keith Giles & Matthew Distefano
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Subversive Soul by Phyllis Mathis. Published by Quoir and available soonIn this episode we chat with Keith Giles and Matthew DistefanoKeith Giles is the best-selling author of the Jesus Un series. He has appeared on CNN, USA Today, BuzzFeed, and John Fugelsang's "Tell Me Everything." Keith and his wife currently reside in El Paso.Matthew J. Distefano is the author of multiple books, including The Wisdom of Hobbits, winner of the 17th annual National Indie Excellence Award for best philosophy book. He is an audio engineer, the producer of the Heretic Happy Hour podcast, cohost of Apostates Anonymous, and is a regular columnist for Patheos. He holds an undergraduate degree in Education from California State University, Chico, and has been in social work for over a decade, currently working as a Professional Service Coordinator in Butte County, California. In addition to his professional life, Matthew enjoys gardening, bicycling, and European football. He is a huge Tolkien nerd who one day hopes to live in Bag End with his wife and daughter. You can find his work at allsetfree.com.You can connect with Keith on:Facebook. Instagram TikTokYou can find all things Keith related on his websiteYou can connect with Matthew on:Facebook Instagram TikTokYou can find all things Matthew related on his websiteYou can connect with Quoir Publishing on:Facebook Instagram TikTokYou can find all things Quoir related at their websiteYou can purchase Reading Romans Right on Amazon.comYou can connect with This Is Not Church on:Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTubeAlso check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church relatedPlease like and follow our Quoircast Partners:Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs TherapyIdeas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of UsJonathan_Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles & Beer Liminal LivingLove Covered Life The Social Jesus Project I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist Radical Love Live The God SquadEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!